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Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:42 am
by A nonny mouse
tjg_marantz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:06 am Morgan Spurlock of Super Size Me fame.

At least he self outed?
See? what did I say back on page 4 of this thread. Everyone is going to go down. So be it.

And I think the Morgan Spurlock thing, while seemingly "noble," is actually a typical attention ploy. Probably has a new show in the works. Although I don't know why you would want that sort of attention.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:49 am
by Paingod
A nonny mouse wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:42 amAnd I think the Morgan Spurlock thing, while seemingly "noble," is actually a typical attention ploy. Probably has a new show in the works. Although I don't know why you would want that sort of attention.
One thinks that agents throughout Hollywood are talking with their meal tickets and advising them to come clean. Careers taken down by accusations and firing aren't going to rebound. If you come clean preemptively, you might be salvaged. Self preservation. Ego will stop a lot of that, though. Men who thought what they were doing was fine will go down swinging.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:41 am
by Grifman
A nonny mouse wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:42 am
tjg_marantz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:06 am Morgan Spurlock of Super Size Me fame.

At least he self outed?
See? what did I say back on page 4 of this thread. Everyone is going to go down. So be it.

And I think the Morgan Spurlock thing, while seemingly "noble," is actually a typical attention ploy. Probably has a new show in the works. Although I don't know why you would want that sort of attention.
Then maybe your assumption of an "attention ploy" is wrong :)

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:44 am
by Grifman
Saying the memory is tainted in no way minimizes or denigrates what she accomplished. I would agree with everything you say but the taint is still and always will be there as she herself has stated so eloquently.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:26 pm
by Moliere

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:44 pm
by Moliere
Tavis Smiley responds to suspension by PBS following sexual misconduct investigation
I have the utmost respect for women and celebrate the courage of those who have come forth to tell their truth. To be clear, I have never groped, coerced, or exposed myself inappropriately to any workplace colleague in my entire broadcast career, covering 6 networks over 30 years.

Never. Ever. Never.

PBS launched a so-called investigation of me without ever informing me. I learned of the investigation when former staffers started contacting me to share the uncomfortable experience of receiving a phone call from a stranger asking whether, I had ever done anything to make them uncomfortable, and if they could provide other names of persons to call. After 14 seasons, that’s how I learned of this inquiry, from the streets.

Only after being threatened with a lawsuit, did PBS investigators reluctantly agree to interview me for three hours.

If having a consensual relationship with a colleague years ago is the stuff that leads to this kind of public humiliation and personal destruction, heaven help us. The PBS investigators refused to review any of my personal documentation, refused to provide me the names of any accusers, refused to speak to my current staff, and refused to provide me any semblance of due process to defend myself against allegations from unknown sources. Their mind was made up. Almost immediately following the meeting, this story broke in Varietyas an “exclusive.” Indeed, I learned more about these allegations reading the Variety story than the PBS investigator shared with me, the accused, in our 3 hour face to face meeting.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:38 pm
by Moliere
Carolina Panthers: Allegations into workplace misconduct by owner Jerry Richardson

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:58 pm
by Carpet_pissr
Surprising no one

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:06 pm
by Grifman
Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:58 pm Surprising no one
Really? I live in the area and everyone here seems surprised.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:07 pm
by Grifman
Well, that was quick, guess the handwriting was on the wall:

http://m.panthers.com/news/article-2/Je ... 2005729697

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:31 pm
by Matrix
The pendulum doing its job, going further and further. A lot of guys who under fire are certainly not just. This will backfire in a few years once the finger pointing stops and rage subsides, a lot of the guys like Trevor will feel wronged by this (AL Franken, Luis ck), guys who are on a very different scale than weinstein. Those who were wronged will hold grudge, and probably will lash back at some shape or form at this.. actively or passively. And for guys who are weinsten level, they will just put it into paper work in the future. Want connections,? Put out. Transactional, but now stated in contract.
What didn't surprise me at all, was that they started with extreme case and then continued to mix in everyone into it, regardless of level if aqusations, in many cases nothing but aqusations. I think in long term this wil be detrimental for women rights, if this was handled better by media and a accusers, it would have been positive, but the level of histeria and to some degree witch hunt (Trevor) that it created will have a lot of under the water ripples and implications. Most will be unseen
Moliere wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:44 pm Tavis Smiley responds to suspension by PBS following sexual misconduct investigation
I have the utmost respect for women and celebrate the courage of those who have come forth to tell their truth. To be clear, I have never groped, coerced, or exposed myself inappropriately to any workplace colleague in my entire broadcast career, covering 6 networks over 30 years.

Never. Ever. Never.

PBS launched a so-called investigation of me without ever informing me. I learned of the investigation when former staffers started contacting me to share the uncomfortable experience of receiving a phone call from a stranger asking whether, I had ever done anything to make them uncomfortable, and if they could provide other names of persons to call. After 14 seasons, that’s how I learned of this inquiry, from the streets.

Only after being threatened with a lawsuit, did PBS investigators reluctantly agree to interview me for three hours.

If having a consensual relationship with a colleague years ago is the stuff that leads to this kind of public humiliation and personal destruction, heaven help us. The PBS investigators refused to review any of my personal documentation, refused to provide me the names of any accusers, refused to speak to my current staff, and refused to provide me any semblance of due process to defend myself against allegations from unknown sources. Their mind was made up. Almost immediately following the meeting, this story broke in Varietyas an “exclusive.” Indeed, I learned more about these allegations reading the Variety story than the PBS investigator shared with me, the accused, in our 3 hour face to face meeting.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:52 am
by tjg_marantz
a lot of the guys like Trevor will feel wronged by this (AL Franken, Luis ck)


Yeah I suppose you really shouldn't blame a guy for masturbating in front of women he has power over.

Get out of here with that shit.

Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:18 am
by Isgrimnur
That’s the part that bothered you and not...
Matrix wrote:And for guys who are weinsten level, they will just put it into paper work in the future. Want connections,? Put out. Transactional, but now stated in contract.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:26 am
by tjg_marantz
Isgrimnur wrote:That’s the part that bothered you and not...
Matrix wrote:And for guys who are weinsten level, they will just put it into paper work in the future. Want connections,? Put out. Transactional, but now stated in contract.
No no, it all bothered me but there was too much stupidity to address it all.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:40 am
by em2nought
I'm hoping what we get out of this is a higher level of porn, especially now that we'll have to pay more for it over the net. :wink:

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:53 am
by Max Peck
Federal appeals judge announces immediate retirement amid investigation prompted by accusations of sexual misconduct
Alex Kozinski, the powerful judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit who was facing a judicial investigation over allegations that he subjected 15 women to inappropriate sexual behavior, announced Monday that he would retire effective immediately.

In a statement provided by his lawyer, Kozinski apologized, saying that he “had a broad sense of humor and a candid way of speaking to both male and female law clerks alike,” and that “in doing so, I may not have been mindful enough of the special challenges and pressures that women face in the workplace.”

“It grieves me to learn that I caused any of my clerks to feel uncomfortable; this was never my intent,” he said.

Kozinski, 67, said although family and friends had urged him to stay on, “at least long enough to defend myself,” he “cannot be an effective judge and simultaneously fight this battle.”

“Nor would such a battle be good for my beloved federal judiciary. And so I am making the decision to retire, effective immediately,” he said.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:26 pm
by hepcat
em2nought wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:40 am I'm hoping what we get out of this is a higher level of porn, especially now that we'll have to pay more for it over the net. :wink:
I doubt it will affect the fetish niches we all think you enjoy.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:22 pm
by em2nought
hepcat wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:26 pm
em2nought wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:40 am I'm hoping what we get out of this is a higher level of porn, especially now that we'll have to pay more for it over the net. :wink:
I doubt it will affect the fetish niches we all think you enjoy.
You might be correct as this already had pretty good acting. :mrgreen:
Edited: pretty tame image from "Who's nailin' Palin" because someone asked me to.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:34 pm
by Grifman
Matrix wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:31 pm And for guys who are weinsten level, they will just put it into paper work in the future. Want connections,? Put out. Transactional, but now stated in contract.
'

This is all kind of stupid.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:43 pm
by hepcat
I thought he was joking at first. If not though...well... :shock:

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:52 pm
by Holman
I keep seeing anti-feminists calling this a "witch hunt."

Don't they know that that metaphor depends on witchcraft not being real?

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:01 am
by Jaymann
Holman wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:52 pm I keep seeing anti-feminists calling this a "witch hunt."

Don't they know that that metaphor depends on witchcraft not being real?
witch-hunt
noun historical
a search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
informal
a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.

I guess you could consider sexual abuse to be an unpopular view.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:56 pm
by morlac
Grifman wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:07 pm Well, that was quick, guess the handwriting was on the wall:

http://m.panthers.com/news/article-2/Je ... 2005729697
He paid 203 million for it in 1993. He will sell it for over 2 billion. Lesson learned!

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:29 pm
by Moat_Man
Matt Damon needs to shut his mouth. This isn't about you and what you think of things.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:34 am
by Paingod
Moat_Man wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:29 pmMatt Damon needs to shut his mouth. This isn't about you and what you think of things.
I'm assuming it was this?

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:39 am
by Holman
Paingod wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:34 am
Moat_Man wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:29 pmMatt Damon needs to shut his mouth. This isn't about you and what you think of things.
I'm assuming it was this?
He also actually said (close paraphrase) "Why aren't we talking about the men in Hollywood who *aren't* predators?"

Yes, Matt. It's a shame how movie stars have to resort to sexual assault just to get some attention in this world.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:39 am
by Paingod
I kind of get him wanting to make sure people still remember there are decent guys in Hollywood. When my wife rails against MEN and how cruel MEN can be and how MEN are such a problem and why MEN are 95% of criminal offenders and how MEN are such predators and MEN suck ...

Well, I have to continually remind her that I'm also a man and I don't like being thrown in with all the others she hates. Doesn't stop her, though, and I still feel like she's lumping me in there every time she does it.

He may be feeling the same way. Feeling like you're being tossed into a grouping with predators and fiends when you're not one isn't fun.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:14 am
by Moliere
The problem is that Matt is friends with Harvey and owes his career to that scumbag. He needs to shut up or explain how he somehow didn't know that shit was going on with his buddy.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:43 am
by Holman
Paingod wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:39 amHe may be feeling the same way. Feeling like you're being tossed into a grouping with predators and fiends when you're not one isn't fun.
But asking men to acknowledge that there's a gendered problem isn't the same as accusing them of assault.

Men feeling defensive about this should at least agree that the culture of Hollywood (and corporate America and government and everywhere else with power) has allowed men in general a free hand to be the biggest assholes they could be while leaving women in general vulnerable. The fact that most men haven't taken advantage of that privilege is good, but it doesn't change the fact that conditions have made women vulnerable *because* they were women and allowed men to take advantage *because* they were men.

Just as with racial inequality, it's easy to pretend that gendered inequality isn't real when your category has never suffered from it.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:32 pm
by GreenGoo
Moliere wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:14 am The problem is that Matt is friends with Harvey and owes his career to that scumbag. He needs to shut up or explain how he somehow didn't know that shit was going on with his buddy.
MacGowan already came forward claiming both Damon and Affleck are complicit in Harvey's behaviour because they knew about it and didn't do enough to get him to stop.

Not sure why Damon seems to have gotten a free pass despite that. Affleck has his own problems, not just his association with Weinstein.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:04 pm
by Paingod
GreenGoo wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:32 pmMacGowan already came forward claiming both Damon and Affleck are complicit in Harvey's behaviour because they knew about it and didn't do enough to get him to stop.
Everyone in Hollywood is complicit. Entire theater halls filled with Hollywood people chuckled nervously as they mocked him sexually harassing people. Everyone in America that tuned in was in on 'the joke' at some level. It seems excessive to point randomly at someone in that crowd and scream "He knew! HE KNEW!"

I probably don't know the whole story, though. Damon probably fed Weinstein starlets through a trapdoor or something. If he didn't do that, though - didn't do something like sending girls to Weinstein for "interviews" - then he's not much more involved than anyone else within 100 yards of that asshole.

I'm sure psychologists have terms for crowd mentalities that let terrible things happen because everyone's uncomfortable and everyone assumes someone else will do something. I don't exempt men in Hollywood from being subject to this effect anymore than I exempt the women who also stood by.

Monsters exist because they grow circumstance around themselves and spread a corruption over time. This didn't just happen overnight. It grew. I would wager that a small indiscretion, unchallenged, grew into more and more and more - and ranks of people found themselves enmeshed in a situation where they didn't say something last time, so saying something this time is even harder.

I'm not excusing it, and I think everyone at some point in their life has witnessed something and later thought "I really should have spoken up when I knew that was wrong" - but that shit is hard. I watched someone litter in a grocery store and found it challenging to say "Hey, I don't think that goes there" and when the guy sheepishly retrieved his trash, I felt okay about doing it. Littering. I'd probably have a brain melt if I was put in a situation where I had to challenge a powerful executive that could break my career.

I'm rambling. I do -not- want to be seen as endorsing complicity, I'm trying to say that we observe it all the time and it seems to be a human condition we don't have a cure for yet. I have trouble throwing someone under the bus for being a frail human. If he was more involved than that, then I'm wrong. With all of the terrible things everywhere every day, I'm unable to keep up with who's a villain now.

/slams the shovel down into the 12' hole he just dug himself into.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:29 pm
by GreenGoo
Paingod wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:04 pm
GreenGoo wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:32 pmMacGowan already came forward claiming both Damon and Affleck are complicit in Harvey's behaviour because they knew about it and didn't do enough to get him to stop.
Everyone in Hollywood is complicit. Entire theater halls filled with Hollywood people chuckled nervously as they mocked him sexually harassing people. Everyone in America that tuned in was in on 'the joke' at some level. It seems excessive to point randomly at someone in that crowd and scream "He knew! HE KNEW!"
Uh...

First, not everyone is complicit. That's absurd.

Second, Damon and Affleck were complicit because MacGowan told them about what was happening to her (I don't recall if they were working on a project together or just at the same parties because everyone was doing a Weinstein project), and they acknowledged that they knew he was like that, and just sort of threw up their hands with a "whatcha gonna do?" attitude. I mean, they spoke to him about being less of a filthy predator, but that's like a buddy talking to his friend about maybe toning down all the raping he's doing. Sure they tried, but they didn't try hard enough, and they certainly didn't take steps to have him dealt with in any official capacity.

More importantly they seemed to have first hand knowledge of his behaviour, whereas the oscars were more like "yeah, I had heard that about him". There's knowing, and then there's "knowing".

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:32 pm
by Moat_Man
Paingod wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:04 pm
GreenGoo wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:32 pmMacGowan already came forward claiming both Damon and Affleck are complicit in Harvey's behaviour because they knew about it and didn't do enough to get him to stop.
Everyone in Hollywood is complicit. Entire theater halls filled with Hollywood people chuckled nervously as they mocked him sexually harassing people. Everyone in America that tuned in was in on 'the joke' at some level. It seems excessive to point randomly at someone in that crowd and scream "He knew! HE KNEW!"
Or She knew!

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:41 pm
by Jaymann
Streep the creep.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:07 pm
by Moliere
Meryl Streep's response
It hurt to be attacked by Rose McGowan in banner headlines this weekend, but I want to let her know I did not know about Weinstein’s crimes, not in the 90s when he attacked her, or through subsequent decades when he proceeded to attack others.

I wasn’t deliberately silent. I didn’t know. I don’t tacitly approve of rape. I didn’t know. I don’t like young women being assaulted. I didn’t know this was happening.

I don’t know where Harvey lives, nor has he ever been to my home.

I have never in my life been invited to his hotel room.

I have been to his office once, for a meeting with Wes Craven for "Music of the Heart" in 1998.

HW distributed movies I made with other people.

HW was not a filmmaker; he was often a producer, primarily a marketer of films made by other people- some of them great, some not great. But not every actor, actress, and director who made films that HW distributed knew he abused women, or that he raped Rose in the 90s, other women before and others after, until they told us. We did not know that women’s silence was purchased by him and his enablers.

HW needed us not to know this, because our association with him bought him credibility, an ability to lure young, aspiring women into circumstances where they would be hurt.

He needed me much more than I needed him and he made sure I didn’t know. Apparently he hired ex Mossad operators to protect this information from becoming public. Rose and the scores of other victims of these powerful, moneyed, ruthless men face an adversary for whom Winning, at any and all costs, is the only acceptable outcome. That’s why a legal defense fund for victims is currently being assembled to which hundreds of good hearted people in our business will contribute, to bring down the bastards, and help victims fight this scourge within.

Rose assumed and broadcast something untrue about me, and I wanted to let her know the truth. Through friends who know her, I got my home phone number to her the minute I read the headlines. I sat by that phone all day yesterday and this morning, hoping to express both my deep respect for her and others’ bravery in exposing the monsters among us, and my sympathy for the untold, ongoing pain she suffers. No one can bring back what entitled bosses like Bill O’Reilly, Roger Ailes, and HW took from the women who endured attacks on their bodies and their ability to make a living. And I hoped that she would give me a hearing. She did not, but I hope she reads this.

I am truly sorry she sees me as an adversary, because we are both, together with all the women in our business, standing in defiance of the same implacable foe: a status quo that wants so badly to return to the bad old days, the old ways where women were used, abused and refused entry into the decision-making, top levels of the industry. That’s where the cover-ups convene. Those rooms must be disinfected, and integrated, before anything even begins to change.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:18 pm
by RunningMn9
I saw a lot of outrage directed at Damon, and then saw the interview. I didn’t find the interview nearly as objectionable as the outragists led me to believe it was. Tone deaf? In parts, but hardly worth the outrage that I’ve seen in various reaction pieces.


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Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:34 pm
by Combustible Lemur
RunningMn9 wrote:I saw a lot of outrage directed at Damon, and then saw the interview. I didn’t find the interview nearly as objectionable as the outragists led me to believe it was. Tone deaf? In parts, but hardly worth the outrage that I’ve seen in various reaction pieces.


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You should shut your mouth too defending a Weinstein co conspirator! Sigh.
Yes there is systemic injustice everywhere. but the real monsters love watching their victims eat each other.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:48 pm
by GreenGoo
Even early on when Rose attacked Affleck and Damon on twitter there was a sort of berserker rage to everything she said.

She is clearly hurt and furious and feels free, finally, to let the world know how much she's hurting.

I don't blame her for lashing out, but I wish she could be more factual in her rage.

She gave specific details re:Damon and Affleck, but she has also lashed out almost at random. She believed Twitter's temporary ban of her account was orchestrated by power brokers out to silence her and never once entertained the idea that she may have crossed a line.

She's extremely hurt and wants those responsible to be hurt as well, and she feels no need to be careful.

Nothing she has done is unexpected or extreme for someone in her position, but she clearly needs help dealing with it.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:53 pm
by tjg_marantz
TJ Miller... Come on down.

Re: Harvey Weinstein... RIP career.

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:49 am
by Moliere