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Lorini wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:02 am THERES 10 FUCKING MILLION PEOPLE HERE! You can combine 7 FUCKING STATES TOGETHER AND THEY STLL AREN'T AS BIG AS LA COUNTY. 10 million people are exactly 10 million people. No one in the country is trying to vaccinate as many people as LA county is trying to vaccinate. No one. Believe it or not, vaccinating more people takes longer. Apparently it should all happen instantaneously but somehow it just can’t work that way. They are still vaccinating health care workers because unimaginably there are hundreds of thousands of health care workers here. Two friends of mine, a nurse practitioner and a chiropractor are still waiting for their vaccination. And since the county can’t force volunteers to work on a holiday, Dodger stadium closed for a day. Unbelievably Dodger stadium is not the only place doing vaccinations. So adding another near million more people simply brings more chaos and makes no sense. Plus they are almost out of vaccine anyway.

I don’t hear any complaints from people who actually understand the situation. I’d love to get vaccinated today but health care workers have to come first.

Also note that federal law prevents anyone using volunteers to force them to show up.

Lastly, weirdly enough, LA county knows how many people are sick with Covid, who’ve recovered from Covid and who’ve died of Covid. They get that information directly from the hospitals.

Daehawk wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:51 am I thought it used to be there.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:52 am

Lorini wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:02 am THERES 10 FUCKING MILLION PEOPLE HERE! You can combine 7 FUCKING STATES TOGETHER AND THEY STLL AREN'T AS BIG AS LA COUNTY. 10 million people are exactly 10 million people. No one in the country is trying to vaccinate as many people as LA county is trying to vaccinate. No one. Believe it or not, vaccinating more people takes longer. Apparently it should all happen instantaneously but somehow it just can’t work that way. They are still vaccinating health care workers because unimaginably there are hundreds of thousands of health care workers here. Two friends of mine, a nurse practitioner and a chiropractor are still waiting for their vaccination. And since the county can’t force volunteers to work on a holiday, Dodger stadium closed for a day. Unbelievably Dodger stadium is not the only place doing vaccinations. So adding another near million more people simply brings more chaos and makes no sense. Plus they are almost out of vaccine anyway.

I don’t hear any complaints from people who actually understand the situation. I’d love to get vaccinated today but health care workers have to come first.

Also note that federal law prevents anyone using volunteers to force them to show up.

Lastly, weirdly enough, LA county knows how many people are sick with Covid, who’ve recovered from Covid and who’ve died of Covid. They get that information directly from the hospitals.

First of all, it's an issue of scale. I'm not saying it easy but a county of 10M has more resources.

No one is asking for instantaneous vaccination. Just not a full day halt at one of the most crucial times.

No one is blaming healthcare workers. I was questioning why the vaccination clinic shut down for the day. You know who doesn't get MLK day off? Healthcare workers. No hospital was closed yesterday. Healthcare workers are used to it. They do what needs to be done. They can't force volunteers to work on a holiday but did they ask them? Thing about volunteers, they usually step up.

FWIW, I'm in the second largest county in the nation. Yeah, it's a paltry 5.5M but it's still fairly large. I'm getting my second dose this week and we've started on seniors and other 1Bs (teachers, police, incarcerated persons, etc). It's not impossible. It's very difficult with severe headwinds but it can be done at scale.

LA county got screwed on supply, sure. But even if it was 4 counties of 2.5M people each, you'd still be dealing with 10M people. In fact, each would probably have lesser leverage than a single larger entity.


I'm not a fan of our governor, mayor, or county president but they have done a good job on this. Despite the fact that the outgoing administration in DC hates them and had personally attacked 2 of the 3 (maybe all 3, can't remember) and tried to thwart several COVID efforts. Not sure what the leadership situation is in LA but I'd look at them before blaming the rest of the universe.

Lorini wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:11 am How is discussing vaccines R&P political?

stimpy wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:32 am How can you make comments based on perceived Government ineptitude and not think it's political?

Israel’s coronavirus tsar has warned that a single dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine may be providing less protection than originally hoped, as the country reported a record 10,000 new Covid infections on Monday.

In remarks reported by Army Radio, Nachman Ash said a single dose appeared “less effective than we had thought”, and also lower than Pfizer had suggested.

Lorini wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:01 pm LA County will start vaccinating seniors over 65 on Thursday. So there you have it. I don't know, my friend who is a nurse practitioner and faces Covid patients daily still can't get vaccinated, would feel like I was taking her vaccine, so I may wait. Their website is not taking appointments now though, I'll keep checking throughout the day as my friend said she wants me to be vaccinated first. Not real comfortable about that but I'll do as she asks.

Lorini wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:47 pm Well because California is not following this CDC guideline "1c: People aged 65 through 74 years and People aged 16 through 64 years with underlying medical conditions and Other essential workers" I can't get it now. I'm on hold on the phone with the California vaccine people to find out why they aren't following that guideline. I'm 63 and have an underlying medical condition.

County public health officials have said they expect that all eligible healthcare workers will receive their first dose in the next two weeks, and that they’ll be able to move on to the next phase of vaccinations in early February. Those eligible in the next phase include people 65 and older, as well as those who work in education, child care, emergency services, or food and agriculture and face risk of exposure.

Jeff V wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:49 pm While I'll get the vaccine if I'm ever able to do so (late 50's, underlying conditions, expect my number will come up in a few years), my enthusiasm is tempered by the lack of a child-friendly vaccine. We'll have to stay quarantined until there's a vaccine available for the kids. I expect this will be when the kids aren't kids anymore, a couple of decades.

Six months ago, as the northern hemisphere was still battling the coronavirus pandemic’s first wave, all eyes turned to the COVID-19 vaccines in late-stage clinical trials. Now, a year after the pandemic first erupted, three COVID vaccines have been given emergency authorization by either the U.S. or U.K., as well as other countries. Two of the vaccines, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech and Moderna, respectively, both employ a novel genetic technology known as mRNA. And the third is a more conventional vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca that uses a chimpanzee virus to deliver DNA for a component of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID. (Russia, China and India have rolled out their own vaccines, but with the exception of a few countries, they have not been widely authorized elsewhere.)

But impressive as they are, these vaccines alone will likely not be sufficient to end the pandemic, experts say. Luckily, there are hundreds of other COVID vaccines under development—including many with new mechanisms of action—that could prove to be effective and cheaper and easier to distribute.

WSJ.com wrote:Eli Lilly LLY -0.76% & Co. said its antibody-based drug prevented Covid-19 among many residents and staff of nursing homes and assisted-living facilities, results that point to the drug complementing vaccines while inoculations increase.

The drug, called bamlanivimab, reduced the risk of both staff and residents getting sick with Covid-19 by about 57% compared with a placebo, Lilly said Thursday. The effect was more pronounced among residents, the company said, an 80% reduction in risk of Covid-19.

The findings signal the potential for a new preventive weapon that could augment the fledgling Covid-19 vaccination effort to stem the pandemic.

Lilly said it would ask U.S. health regulators to widen the drug’s authorized use to include protecting people in long-term-care facilities where someone has recently been diagnosed with Covid-19.

Daehawk wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:28 pm If a drug was 1% effective wouldn't that automatically make it 100% better than a placebo?

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:46 pm Got my second jab today.


Licked a few door handles on the way back, feel fine!

Defiant wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:13 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:46 pm Got my second jab today.


Licked a few door handles on the way back, feel fine!

You have to wait 14 days after the second jab before licking door handles.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:46 pm

Daehawk wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:28 pm If a drug was 1% effective wouldn't that automatically make it 100% better than a placebo?

Placebo is a control, not a fake drug.

stessier wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:41 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:46 pm

Daehawk wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:28 pm If a drug was 1% effective wouldn't that automatically make it 100% better than a placebo?

Placebo is a control, not a fake drug.

Also, placebos are not 0% effective, generally.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:51 am All over soreness from the second shot yesterday, feels like I spent 3 hours at the gym. Also had trouble sleeping but nothing major.

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:55 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:51 am All over soreness from the second shot yesterday, feels like I spent 3 hours at the gym. Also had trouble sleeping but nothing major.

FWIW, my wife and MIL have both been vaccinated (both Pfizer) and had similar experiences. The first shot was similar to a flu shot for them--little soreness but nothing significant. 2nd shot knocked them both down pretty well--more soreness, general malaise, etc.