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RunningMn9 wrote:Don't know if it was posted, but George Will announced today that he will be leaving the GOP.

George Will wrote:He has an advantage on me, because he can say everything he knows about any subject in 140 characters and I can't.

Max Peck wrote: George Will's response:

George Will wrote:He has an advantage on me, because he can say everything he knows about any subject in 140 characters and I can't.

hepcat wrote:It's probably best if Trump avoids a war of wits with anyone other than the Kardassians.

Trump Fires Back At Warren: She's A 'Fraud' And A 'Racist'!

Pyperkub wrote:Trump calls Warren a racist:

Trump Fires Back At Warren: She's A 'Fraud' And A 'Racist'!

In other words:

Spoiler:

Trumps retort is what schoolchildren would say - "I know you are but what am I?", "I know you are but what am I?", "I know you are but what am I?", "I know you are but what am I?"...

Spoiler:

I think the phrase you are looking for is "I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say about me bounces off and sticks to you." Or, more likely, both.

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

tgb wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

I think the context makes it different. IN the past the "Pocahontas" taunt was a reference to her claim of Native-American blood. Here it sounds like Native American are.....shiftless? Lazy?

I dunno, but neither is acceptable.

tgb wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

I think the context makes it different. IN the past the "Pocahontas" taunt was a reference to her claim of Native-American blood. Here it sounds like Native American are.....shiftless? Lazy?

I dunno, but neither is acceptable.

Max Peck wrote:

tgb wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

I think the context makes it different. IN the past the "Pocahontas" taunt was a reference to her claim of Native-American blood. Here it sounds like Native American are.....shiftless? Lazy?

I dunno, but neither is acceptable.

I think that he was going for a pun on the name itself: Pocahontas => poky => slow => unproductive.

Canuck wrote:

Max Peck wrote:

tgb wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

I think the context makes it different. IN the past the "Pocahontas" taunt was a reference to her claim of Native-American blood. Here it sounds like Native American are.....shiftless? Lazy?

I dunno, but neither is acceptable.

I think that he was going for a pun on the name itself: Pocahontas => poky => slow => unproductive.

Then why not call her "pokey"?

Canuck wrote:

Max Peck wrote:

tgb wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

LordMortis wrote:

She is one of the least productive senators in the United States Senate. We call her Pocahontas for a reason.

Wow. Does he think that will fly?

It already has. Multiple times. He's either Andy Kaufman or a monster. Neither is pleasant to contemplate.

I think the context makes it different. IN the past the "Pocahontas" taunt was a reference to her claim of Native-American blood. Here it sounds like Native American are.....shiftless? Lazy?

I dunno, but neither is acceptable.

I think that he was going for a pun on the name itself: Pocahontas => poky => slow => unproductive.

Then why not call her "pokey"?

Rip wrote:That is what I always infer from it. She did after all falsely claim to be native american. But I guess robbing a minority of an affirmative action college spot is expected of powerful white people.

Why is Trump using this nickname for Warren?

Trump’s comment may be racist against Native Americans, but he’s using it here to sarcastically suggest that Warren really isn’t Native American. (Which, oddly enough, proves that Trump can also be racist while trying to insult someone for being white.)

Trump is referring to a controversy Warren faced over her ancestry during her 2012 Senate campaign.

Warren says she grew up being told that she had Cherokee heritage. "Everyone on our mother’s side — aunts, uncles, and grandparents — talked openly about their Native American ancestry," she wrote in her 2014 book, A Fighting Chance. "My brothers and I grew up on stories about our grandfather building one-room schoolhouses and about our grandparents’ courtship and their early lives together in Indian Territory."

This became an issue during her campaign when reports emerged that Harvard had once touted her Native American heritage as proof of its faculty's diversity. Warren, however, couldn't produce definitive proof of her Cherokee ancestry, and neither could genealogists.

This led to speculation that Warren had been a fake "diversity hire," or that she had abused the affirmative-action system to gain an advantage over other candidates.

However, as Garance Franke-Ruta reported for the Atlantic in 2012, there's no evidence that Warren ever used claims of Native American ancestry to help her get a job.

While Warren was listed as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty, she had declined to apply as a minority to Rutgers Law School, and had listed herself as "white" while teaching at the University of Texas. The head of the committee that recruited Warren to Harvard also said he had no memory of her Native American heritage ever coming up, and the 1995 Harvard Crimson article reporting on her tenure made no mention of it.

It's true, Franke-Ruta learned, that Warren wouldn't meet the criteria to officially qualify as Cherokee. She only claimed to be 1/32 Cherokee, which is too little to qualify for citizenship in two of the three major Cherokee tribes. She also doesn't have a known direct ancestor listed on the Dawes Rolls, which is a strict requirement for membership in the Cherokee Nation, or on the Baker Rolls, a requirement of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.

But just because Warren can't find hard evidence of Native American heritage doesn't mean she doesn't have any, Franke-Ruta said — and even if she doesn't, that wouldn't make her a liar. Hazy oral histories about Native heritage are especially common in Oklahoma, where Warren grew up, and she would have no particular reason to disbelieve the stories she was told growing up.

Franke-Ruta notes that the shaky reliability of oral history has confounded other public figures — like Madeleine Albright, who didn't know until reporters discovered it that her own parents had escaped the Holocaust, or Marco Rubio, who mistakenly believed that he was the "son of exiles" from Castro's Cuba when his parents actually came over before Castro took power.

Max Peck wrote: Why does anybody try to be "clever" -- because they think they're witty (and The Donald obviously has the best jokes you've ever heard). I obviously don't know for sure what he actually meant (most of the time, neither does he, as far as I can tell), but in the context of the isolated quote, this is my best guess as to his intent. YMMV.

Kirkland and Ellis Professor of Law David B. Wilkins '77 called this statement an "oversimplification" but expressed his support for increased representation of minorities.

"The fact that there never have been Asian Americans, Native Americans, gays, lesbians, Latinos, Latinas and women of color [on the faculty] is a subject of major concern," said Wilkins, who is black.

Of 71 current Law School professors and assistant professors, 11 are women, five are black, one is Native American and one is Hispanic, said Mike Chmura, spokesperson for the Law School.

Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is that the Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

In response to criticism of the current administration, Chmura pointed to "good progress in recent years."

According to Chmura, of the 21 professors appointed since 1989, 10 were women or minorities. In addition, all three of last year's appointees were women.

The demands for women of color on the faculty may be satisfied if noted black legal scholar and University of Pennsylvania professor C. Lani Guinier '71 accepts her outstanding offer from the Law School, Friedman said.

GreenGoo wrote: c) who gives a shit?

GreenGoo wrote:

Max Peck wrote: Why does anybody try to be "clever" -- because they think they're witty (and The Donald obviously has the best jokes you've ever heard). I obviously don't know for sure what he actually meant (most of the time, neither does he, as far as I can tell), but in the context of the isolated quote, this is my best guess as to his intent. YMMV.

What I like is that Drumpf is trying to make wordplay (if that's what he's doing. It's not entirely clear) with his own racist label from a previous insult. So it's like "everyone understands that she's Pocahontas (because I said it a couple of times), so now I'll play off that".

It's like telling a joke, being the only one to laugh, then telling another joke that references the first one, and is only funny if you thought the first joke was funny. It's self referentially moronic.

GreenGoo wrote:a) this isn't affirmative action.
b) some dude at Harvard being interviewed on the diversity of Harvard staff said it was true.
c) who gives a shit?
d) How does this make calling her Pocahontas even remotely acceptable?
e) Are we really discussing Warren's ancestry because Drumpf referred to her by a racially charged name? Why on earth would anyone give Drumpf any credibility on this whatsoever?
f) Would we have the same conversation if she thought she had black ancestry and Drumpf was calling her Sambo?

Unagi wrote:g) why do we care, as Rip is a fucking nihilist; he dines on your concern for anything and doesn't ever hold true to even his own proclamations of standards/beliefs. And feels no accountability either, as he's often entirely schooled but can't articulate a reply. But we feed him. So he keeps coming to the god damn porch.

Unagi wrote:but really, I was just trying to invoke the spirit of Walter Sobchack.