Re: The Trump Investigation Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:40 am
These guys are totally overreacting too. What a bunch of snowflakes! Meanwhile he is prepping to do even more damage to national security.
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Well, he already leaked confidential information to Russian delegates shortly after taking office and that didn’t bother you, so I’m guessing as long as he isn’t a liberal you really wouldn’t mind.
What he's not saying is he supports Trump, El Presidente de por Vida. Well, he doesn't really support it. He's against it and judges it harshly, but the precedent was set by Clinton and her democratic Congress so he has to live with it.hepcat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:18 amWell, he already leaked confidential information to Russian delegates shortly after taking office and that didn’t bother you, so I’m guessing as long as he isn’t a liberal you really wouldn’t mind.
Well, that was going to be Part 2. If Trump is actually leaking secrets, then why isn't his security revoked while President?hepcat wrote:Well, he already leaked confidential information to Russian delegates shortly after taking office and that didn’t bother you, so I’m guessing as long as he isn’t a liberal you really wouldn’t mind.
Do you honestly think anyone is putting anything secret in front of him in his crayon-written daily 1-page bullet point list?Zarathud wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:12 amWell, that was going to be Part 2. If Trump is actually leaking secrets, then why isn't his security revoked while President?hepcat wrote:Well, he already leaked confidential information to Russian delegates shortly after taking office and that didn’t bother you, so I’m guessing as long as he isn’t a liberal you really wouldn’t mind.
Rip's favorite author has joined this protest:malchior wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:40 am These guys are totally overreacting too. What a bunch of snowflakes! Meanwhile he is prepping to do even more damage to national security.
Trump this morning on Manafort: “He worked for me for a very short period of time." In Nov. 2016, three months after he was technically ousted from the campaign, Manafort emailed Kushner recs for administration appointees. Kushner replied: “On it!"
The White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, has cooperated extensively in the special counsel investigation, sharing detailed accounts about the episodes at the heart of the inquiry into whether President Trump obstructed justice, including some that investigators would not have learned of otherwise, according to a dozen current and former White House officials and others briefed on the matter.
In at least three voluntary interviews with investigators that totaled 30 hours over the past nine months, Mr. McGahn described the president’s furor toward the Russia investigation and the ways in which he urged Mr. McGahn to respond to it. He provided the investigators examining whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice a clear view of the president’s most intimate moments with his lawyer.
Among them were Mr. Trump’s comments and actions during the firing of the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, and Mr. Trump’s obsession with putting a loyalist in charge of the inquiry, including his repeated urging of Attorney General Jeff Sessions to claim oversight of it. Mr. McGahn was also centrally involved in Mr. Trump’s attempts to fire the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, which investigators might not have discovered without him.
For a lawyer to share so much with investigators scrutinizing his client is unusual. Lawyers are rarely so open with investigators, not only because they are advocating on behalf of their clients but also because their conversations with clients are potentially shielded by attorney-client privilege, and in the case of presidents, executive privilege.
So McGahn is our John Dean?Mr. McGahn and his lawyer, William A. Burck, could not understand why Mr. Trump was so willing to allow Mr. McGahn to speak freely to the special counsel and feared Mr. Trump was setting up Mr. McGahn to take the blame for any possible illegal acts of obstruction, according to people close to him. So he and Mr. Burck devised their own strategy to do as much as possible to cooperate with Mr. Mueller to demonstrate that Mr. McGahn did nothing wrong.
It is not clear that Mr. Trump appreciates the extent to which Mr. McGahn has cooperated with the special counsel. The president wrongly believed that Mr. McGahn would act as a personal lawyer would for clients and solely defend his interests to investigators, according to a person with knowledge of his thinking.
Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that only Carter had his clearance revoked. I have no idea how accurate that is.
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
Go walking in a gang area at night?Skinypupy wrote:I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
See, that's why you have to have a gun on you at all times. And probably some more in your car and house. You never know.Skinypupy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:12 pmI can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
This comment pisses me off. What type of gang area are you referring to?Pyperkub wrote:Go walking in a gang area at night?Skinypupy wrote:I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
Oh, where Chicago is seeing multiple homicides nightly, or the worse parts of Oakland, etc.Scoop20906 wrote:This comment pisses me off. What type of gang area are you referring to?Pyperkub wrote:Go walking in a gang area at night?Skinypupy wrote:I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
Edit: saw the brown word. Still, if you want to know what it's like to have the stress of poverty spend aScoop20906 wrote:Not even close to equivalent to the original comment. Crime ridden areas are unsafe. Agreed.
In the original comment, he mentioned the irrational fear of brown people? What does that have to do with crime ridden areas?
Don’t you see what you are doing with your responding comment?
That I agree totally with, I just am not sure that was the point of his post.Scoop20906 wrote:My point is simply if the first word you can utter when you hear “brown” is “gang” then you and a lot of the white United States have a problem. This kind of thinking has been going on for centuries. This comment is not unique but it is demeaning to all people of color. The words you use matter and they have power.
I appreciate you are trying but you are still missing the point. He saw brown and thought crime.Combustible Lemur wrote:That I agree totally with, I just am not sure that was the point of his post.Scoop20906 wrote:My point is simply if the first word you can utter when you hear “brown” is “gang” then you and a lot of the white United States have a problem. This kind of thinking has been going on for centuries. This comment is not unique but it is demeaning to all people of color. The words you use matter and they have power.
I suppose he could have said mob area, or cartel, or meth.
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He said gangs because there is nearly 0 Islamic terror in the US.Skinypupy wrote:I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:45 pm AP:
Giuliani was trying to make the case that having Trump sit down for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller’s team wouldn’t accomplish much because of the he-said-she-said nature of witnesses’ recollections. Giuliani says it’s “silly” to say Trump should testify “because he’s going to tell the truth and he shouldn’t worry” because “it’s somebody’s version of the truth. Not the truth.”
Todd insisted: “Truth is truth”
Giuliani responded: “Truth isn’t truth.”
The comment left Todd flummoxed.
Okay, also re-read this post and I think see where things went sideways. And I think it's when fear of brown violence is equated with fear of brown people.Scoop20906 wrote:I appreciate you are trying but you are still missing the point. He saw brown and thought crime.Combustible Lemur wrote:That I agree totally with, I just am not sure that was the point of his post.Scoop20906 wrote:My point is simply if the first word you can utter when you hear “brown” is “gang” then you and a lot of the white United States have a problem. This kind of thinking has been going on for centuries. This comment is not unique but it is demeaning to all people of color. The words you use matter and they have power.
I suppose he could have said mob area, or cartel, or meth.
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Brown also means integrity, hard work, middle class, upper class and a bunch of other positive things.
Our country routinely demeans a skin color daily and for what? Why? Any ideas?
I don’t think this is a silly conversation and I’m glad we are having it even if you aren’t agreeing with me. I’m glad you think the comment doesn’t reinforce a bias. You get that privilege. A lot of people do not. Instead they are targeted daily by the society and the system.Combustible Lemur wrote:He said gangs because there is nearly 0 Islamic terror in the US.Skinypupy wrote:I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
When racists picture brown violence they often think of gangs. Of course they don't think of all the wonderful things that the VAST majority of brown people represent.
Are you suggesting that if you want to know what it's like dealing with street violence on a daily basis you should go to the local community center and watch a pickup game? Or a diverse suburban HS, or an Urban HS that has good funding and a solid administration?
I don't know Guiliani's youth. Maybe he knows what it's like to be constantly harrased when he goes out. (not that I do, but my wife did) Maybe he knows what having his door kicked in feels like, or having one of his students murdered across the street, or losing young people in his life to prison or awful domestic violence cycles associated with poverty.
You seem to suggest that the acknowledging that racists referring to violent brown people picture gangs because urban minority areas with high poverty often have gang violence is perpetuating stereotypes.
I find that overly pedantic. When I see my student's dead body in my head his killer isn't white. When I picture the violent and disgusting world of meth dealers they look like my aunt(who is REAL WHITE) . When I picture the neighbors who sodded my recently repaired water main ground when we weren't looking, because my wife and I were too broke to do it right they sure aren't white.
I don't know you scoop so I don't want to make assumptions. I know that many of the Mexican and black students and colleagues I've worked with over the years would think this conversation is silly.
I get a sensitivity to reinforcement of bias through vocabulary. I don't think this is it.
I mean other than the Injection of the generalized brown into Guilianis Islamophobia.
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To clarify, my comment was geared entirely towards Guiliani's (and most conservatives I know) absurd Islamophobia. I don't recall saying anything about gangs.Combustible Lemur wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:00 pmHe said gangs because there is nearly 0 Islamic terror in the US.Skinypupy wrote:I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
When racists picture brown violence they often think of gangs. Of course they don't think of all the wonderful things that the VAST majority of brown people represent.
Are you suggesting that if you want to know what it's like dealing with street violence on a daily basis you should go to the local community center and watch a pickup game? Or a diverse suburban HS, or an Urban HS that has good funding and a solid administration?
I don't know Guiliani's youth. Maybe he knows what it's like to be constantly harrased when he goes out. (not that I do, but my wife did) Maybe he knows what having his door kicked in feels like, or having one of his students murdered across the street, or losing young people in his life to prison or awful domestic violence cycles associated with poverty.
You seem to suggest that the acknowledging that racists referring to violent brown people picture gangs because urban minority areas with high poverty often have gang violence is perpetuating stereotypes.
I find that overly pedantic. When I see my student's dead body in my head his killer isn't white. When I picture the violent and disgusting world of meth dealers they look like my aunt(who is REAL WHITE) . When I picture the neighbors who sodded my recently repaired water main ground when we weren't looking, because my wife and I were too broke to do it right they sure aren't white.
I don't know you scoop so I don't want to make assumptions. I know that many of the Mexican and black students and colleagues I've worked with over the years would think this conversation is silly.
I get a sensitivity to reinforcement of bias through vocabulary. I don't think this is it.
I mean other than the Injection of the generalized brown into Guilianis Islamophobia.
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Nope. I’ll take the hit if I was not clear enough that I agree living in a crime ridden area is scary. I said I agreed it is. I can think of several neighborhoods I didn’t feel safe for lots of reason. I just know some are white majority, some black majority and some Hispanic majority.Combustible Lemur wrote:Okay, also re-read this post and I think see where things went sideways. And I think it's when fear of brown violence is equated with fear of brown people.Scoop20906 wrote:I appreciate you are trying but you are still missing the point. He saw brown and thought crime.Combustible Lemur wrote:That I agree totally with, I just am not sure that was the point of his post.Scoop20906 wrote:My point is simply if the first word you can utter when you hear “brown” is “gang” then you and a lot of the white United States have a problem. This kind of thinking has been going on for centuries. This comment is not unique but it is demeaning to all people of color. The words you use matter and they have power.
I suppose he could have said mob area, or cartel, or meth.
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Brown also means integrity, hard work, middle class, upper class and a bunch of other positive things.
Our country routinely demeans a skin color daily and for what? Why? Any ideas?
POC should warrant images ranging from ultra rich and boujie, to nerd to cool to patriotic through the whole positive and negative spectrums.
Guiliani is quoted doing something islamaphobic which bleeds heavily into fear of brown people, he's then commented on as being like people who are daily scared of brown people popping out of bushes.
Which was then equated to being stressed by life in a place where daily violence is a thing. (in particular where in the US it perceived as predominately perpetrated in brown people majority neighborhoods.)
The question is are any of those unfair leaps? The whole conversation is unfair and representative of the problems our country has. But I don't know that comparing fear of gang violence in a violent neighnorhood with understanding people's irrational fear of violence by brown people is inherently problematic outside of the big picture biases.
This seems like a lot of harranging over, if you dont understand worrying about people jumping out and causing violence walk somewhere that happens on a daily basis.
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It does help, and though not remotely equivalent it annoys me when people give the pity look or an I'm sorry when I tell them the highschool I worked and lived at.Scoop20906 wrote:I don’t think this is a silly conversation and I’m glad we are having it even if you aren’t agreeing with me. I’m glad you think the comment doesn’t reinforce a bias. You get that privilege. A lot of people do not. Instead they are targeted daily by the society and the system.Combustible Lemur wrote:He said gangs because there is nearly 0 Islamic terror in the US.Skinypupy wrote:I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to live in a constant state of pants-shitting terror that someone brown is going to pop out of the bushes and kill you.Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:55 pm Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...
Kyle Griffin wrote:Here's the video of Giuliani saying that John Brennan "claims to be a great lover of Islam, of the Islamic religion. He says the hajj was one of the most beautiful things he ever saw. So, how does all this square up?" (via Fox)
When racists picture brown violence they often think of gangs. Of course they don't think of all the wonderful things that the VAST majority of brown people represent.
Are you suggesting that if you want to know what it's like dealing with street violence on a daily basis you should go to the local community center and watch a pickup game? Or a diverse suburban HS, or an Urban HS that has good funding and a solid administration?
I don't know Guiliani's youth. Maybe he knows what it's like to be constantly harrased when he goes out. (not that I do, but my wife did) Maybe he knows what having his door kicked in feels like, or having one of his students murdered across the street, or losing young people in his life to prison or awful domestic violence cycles associated with poverty.
You seem to suggest that the acknowledging that racists referring to violent brown people picture gangs because urban minority areas with high poverty often have gang violence is perpetuating stereotypes.
I find that overly pedantic. When I see my student's dead body in my head his killer isn't white. When I picture the violent and disgusting world of meth dealers they look like my aunt(who is REAL WHITE) . When I picture the neighbors who sodded my recently repaired water main ground when we weren't looking, because my wife and I were too broke to do it right they sure aren't white.
I don't know you scoop so I don't want to make assumptions. I know that many of the Mexican and black students and colleagues I've worked with over the years would think this conversation is silly.
I get a sensitivity to reinforcement of bias through vocabulary. I don't think this is it.
I mean other than the Injection of the generalized brown into Guilianis Islamophobia.
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Since you do not know much about me I’ll let you know. I live in a mixed family. I get to see bias and I worry every day about my black stepson who is a great kid but people who think brown=gang are also going to look at him and think gang member. They have hard wired themselves that way.
See that kid at the mall. Looks like a gang banger. Call the cops. That’s the polite US that gets to pass judgement on a skin color daily. That’s why the comment pisses me off regardless of you deciding there was no bias in it.
Does that help you understand my point of view?
TOTALLYScoop20906 wrote:Nope. I’ll take the hit if I was not clear enough that I agree living in a crime ridden area is scary. I said I agreed it is. I can think of several neighborhoods I didn’t feel safe for lots of reason. I just know some are white majority, some black majority and some Hispanic majority.Combustible Lemur wrote:Okay, also re-read this post and I think see where things went sideways. And I think it's when fear of brown violence is equated with fear of brown people.Scoop20906 wrote:I appreciate you are trying but you are still missing the point. He saw brown and thought crime.Combustible Lemur wrote:That I agree totally with, I just am not sure that was the point of his post.Scoop20906 wrote:My point is simply if the first word you can utter when you hear “brown” is “gang” then you and a lot of the white United States have a problem. This kind of thinking has been going on for centuries. This comment is not unique but it is demeaning to all people of color. The words you use matter and they have power.
I suppose he could have said mob area, or cartel, or meth.
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Brown also means integrity, hard work, middle class, upper class and a bunch of other positive things.
Our country routinely demeans a skin color daily and for what? Why? Any ideas?
POC should warrant images ranging from ultra rich and boujie, to nerd to cool to patriotic through the whole positive and negative spectrums.
Guiliani is quoted doing something islamaphobic which bleeds heavily into fear of brown people, he's then commented on as being like people who are daily scared of brown people popping out of bushes.
Which was then equated to being stressed by life in a place where daily violence is a thing. (in particular where in the US it perceived as predominately perpetrated in brown people majority neighborhoods.)
The question is are any of those unfair leaps? The whole conversation is unfair and representative of the problems our country has. But I don't know that comparing fear of gang violence in a violent neighnorhood with understanding people's irrational fear of violence by brown people is inherently problematic outside of the big picture biases.
This seems like a lot of harranging over, if you dont understand worrying about people jumping out and causing violence walk somewhere that happens on a daily basis.
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Is that fair to say?