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Zaxxon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:48 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:44 pm Is this where I say BAM!?

This is where you give us the Mr. Fed-style course on Federal sentencing guidelines so we can make sense of what 8 guilty counts means. The full 18 counts had a max of something like 305 years, which Fed tells me bears no relation to what he'd actually get.

So, what's he actually gonna get, and will that press him to cooperate?

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:59 pm

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:48 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:44 pm Is this where I say BAM!?

This is where you give us the Mr. Fed-style course on Federal sentencing guidelines so we can make sense of what 8 guilty counts means. The full 18 counts had a max of something like 305 years, which Fed tells me bears no relation to what he'd actually get.

So, what's he actually gonna get, and will that press him to cooperate?

As someone who clerked with the Cook County State's Attorney's office 23 years ago, allow me to give you a dissertation on the nuances of criminal practice . . . .

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:59 pm

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:48 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:44 pm Is this where I say BAM!?

This is where you give us the Mr. Fed-style course on Federal sentencing guidelines so we can make sense of what 8 guilty counts means. The full 18 counts had a max of something like 305 years, which Fed tells me bears no relation to what he'd actually get.

So, what's he actually gonna get, and will that press him to cooperate?

As someone who clerked with the Cook County State's Attorney's office 23 years ago, allow me to give you a dissertation on the nuances of criminal practice . . . .

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:41 pm My biggest fear if Mannie gets off is that Rip will somehow take that as justification for a cock-walk around this thread.

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s former fixer, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to campaign finance and other charges. He made the extraordinary admission that he paid a pornographic actress “at the direction of the candidate,” referring to Mr. Trump, to secure her silence about an affair she said she had with Mr. Trump.

Mr. Cohen told a judge in United States District Court in Manhattan that the payment was “for the principal purpose of influencing the election” for president in 2016.

Mr. Cohen also pleaded guilty to multiple counts of tax evasion and bank fraud

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:41 pm Manafort guilty on 8 counts, mistrial on other 10.

Where the hell are the 10 mistrial counts listed? Gorram media!

Manafort faces a life behind bars if convicted on all 18 charges.

Here's the breakdown of the charges and the maximum sentence for each.

• Five counts of subscribing to a false income tax return. Each count carries a maximum of three years in federal prison. That's a total of 15 years.

• Four counts of failing to report foreign bank accounts. Each count carries a maximum of five years in federal prison. That's a total of 20 years.

• Five counts of conspiracy to commit bank fraud. Each count carries a maximum of 30 years in federal prison. That's 150 years behind federal bars.

• Four counts of bank fraud. Each count also carries a maximum of 30 years in federal prison. That's a total of 120 years.

Mr. Manafort faces a second criminal trial next month in Washington on seven other charges brought by the special counsel, including obstruction of justice, failure to register as a foreign agent and conspiracy to launder money.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:45 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:41 pm Manafort guilty on 8 counts, mistrial on other 10.

Where the hell are the 10 mistrial counts listed? Gorram media!

USA Today

Manafort faces a life behind bars if convicted on all 18 charges.

Here's the breakdown of the charges and the maximum sentence for each.

• Five counts of subscribing to a false income tax return. Each count carries a maximum of three years in federal prison. That's a total of 15 years.

• Four counts of failing to report foreign bank accounts. Each count carries a maximum of five years in federal prison. That's a total of 20 years.

• Five counts of conspiracy to commit bank fraud. Each count carries a maximum of 30 years in federal prison. That's 150 years behind federal bars.

• Four counts of bank fraud. Each count also carries a maximum of 30 years in federal prison. That's a total of 120 years.

On Monday, a judge in the District of Columbia, Anthony C Epstein, upheld a motion by Steele to have the oligarchs’ case thrown out. Epstein did not determine whether the dossier – which Donald Trump has repeatedly dismissed as “fake” – was “accurate or not accurate”.

But the judge concluded that it was covered by the US first amendment, which protects free speech. He ruled that the oligarchs had failed to prove a key part of their case: that Steele knew that some information in the dossier was inaccurate, and had acted “with reckless disregard as to its falsity”.

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:59 pm

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:48 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:44 pm Is this where I say BAM!?

This is where you give us the Mr. Fed-style course on Federal sentencing guidelines so we can make sense of what 8 guilty counts means. The full 18 counts had a max of something like 305 years, which Fed tells me bears no relation to what he'd actually get.

So, what's he actually gonna get, and will that press him to cooperate?

As someone who clerked with the Cook County State's Attorney's office 23 years ago, allow me to give you a dissertation on the nuances of criminal practice . . . .

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:57 pm Update: you're off the hook. Fed's initial reaction is, and I quote, "HOOOOLEEEEEEE CRAP". That will suffice for the moment.

"Today he stood up and testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election," said Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis, in a statement. "If those payments were a crime for Michael Cohen, then why wouldn't they be a crime for Donald Trump?"

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:34 pm My impression was it relates to Manafort and Cohen both going down on the same day, along with Cohen quite explicitly saying he did it for Trump and for purposes of election influence.

That's a lot to infer from one crap, though, even if it is extremely holy. So I'm probably wrong.

Hours after Trump's lawyer pleaded guilty to crimes and implicated Trump and Trump's campaign chairman was convicted of crimes, the crowd at the Trump rally is chanting "drain that swamp."

Zaxxon wrote:

Today is the day that just keeps on givin'.

Sepiche wrote:Lanny Davis was on Maddow just now and implied Cohen is willing to tell Mueller that Drumpf had advanced knowledge of the DNC hacks.

Sepiche wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:46 pm Lanny Davis was on Maddow just now and implied Cohen is willing to tell Mueller that Drumpf had advanced knowledge of the DNC hacks.

I can tell you that Mr. Cohen has knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest to the special counsel and is more than happy to tell the special counsel all that he knows; not just about the obvious possibility of a conspiracy to collude and corrupt the American democracy system in the 2016 election, which the Trump Tower meeting was all about, but also knowledge about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not Mr. Trump knew ahead of time about that crime and even cheered it on

malchior wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:28 pm That interview has me conflicted. It felt like he was talking to Trump , Mueller, or both. It moreso felt like he was shopping for a deal for his client. Whether that is leniency from the court or a pardon...I don't know. I hope the former but fear the latter.

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:48 pm
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The Qanon narrative no longer makes sense after today's verdict and plea deal, and the community is trying to come to grips with it.

Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:08 pm This is a clear and plain violation of the law that even a Trumper can understand.

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:53 pm

Sepiche wrote:Lanny Davis was on Maddow just now and implied Cohen is willing to tell Mueller that Drumpf had advanced knowledge of the DNC hacks.

Why would he go on Maddow and imply that. Why wouldn’t Lanny Davis simply call Mueller and offer the info?