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That's the governor of California giving a press conference. I'm glad someone in charge is saying it, although he does say it in the most passive way possible. He's saying what the virus won't do, it won't take the holidays off, but it's a start.This virus is not going away,” he warned. “It’s not just going to take Labor Day off. It’s not going to take Halloween off. Or the holidays off.
I had a generally low opinion of them to begin with, then I heard how poorly the crew can be treated and I felt worse about them. After the first time I heard about one of the Norovirus outbreaks that turned one into an explosive floating island of misery, or the one where the waste system failed and excrement was just sloshing around in the passenger areas ... and now COVID.
OO boots on the ground.Daehawk wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:33 am Australia did a recent check on its home ordered COVID infected and found 1/3 of them were not home. So its brought in the military and will be handing out $5000 fines and more. Maybe it was just one area of AU.
Freelunch? How are things in Cairns and with your kids?LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:41 amOO boots on the ground.Daehawk wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:33 am Australia did a recent check on its home ordered COVID infected and found 1/3 of them were not home. So its brought in the military and will be handing out $5000 fines and more. Maybe it was just one area of AU.
Spoiler:
Newsweek.com wrote:While novel coronavirus cases have spiked across several parts of Europe, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands, Sweden—where a countrywide lockdown was never issued—continues to report a downward trend in new cases and new deaths.
As of Sunday, the latest death rate in Sweden (deaths per 100,000 people) was reported to be 56.40. The figure is lower than that reported in the U.K. (69.60), Spain (60.88) and Italy (58.16), according to the latest report Sunday by Johns Hopkins University.
The U.K. currently has the world's fourth highest death toll, while Spain and Italy (which have the sixth highest and eighth highest death tolls, respectively) were formerly Europe's two countries worst hit by the outbreak.
Sweden's latest case-fatality ratio (portion of deaths compared to total cases) was reported to be 7.1 percent. The figure is more than half the percentage reported in the U.K. (15.1 percent), half that of Italy and Belgium (each reporting 14.2 percent) and nearly half that of France (13.4 percent), according to Johns Hopkins University.
COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in Sweden vs. Europe
Source: Johns Hopkins University (as of August 2)
Sweden's seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths has been mostly declining since as far back as April 16, when the average was at 99. The average dropped to two on August 2, according to Worldometer.
- Sweden: 56.40
- Belgium: 86.19
- U.K.: 69.60
- Spain: 60.88
- Italy: 58.16
COVID-19 case-fatality ratio of Sweden vs. Europe
Source: Johns Hopkins University (as of August 2)
New infections per 100,000 people in Sweden reported in the past 14 days has dropped 46 percent, compared to that reported in the 14 days prior, according to the latest report Sunday from the World Health Organization (WHO).
- Sweden: 7.1 percent
- U.K.: 15.1 percent
- Belgium: 14.2 percent
- Italy: 14.2 percent
- France: 13.4 percent
- The Netherlands: 11.2 percent
- Spain: 9.9 percent
Meanwhile, Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands have each reported a spike between 58 and 206 percent in new cases reported per 100,000 people in the past two weeks, compared to that reported 14 days prior, according to the WHO.
New cases in Sweden's Scandinavian neighbors (Denmark, Norway and Finland) have increased by as much as around three times the percentage drop in new cases seen in Sweden in the past two weeks, according to the WHO.
The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.
By contrast, the seven-day rolling average of daily new cases in Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands have each been sharply increasing, starting from around July 6 to 14, according to Worldometer.
New COVID-19 cases in Sweden vs. Europe in past 14 days
Source: World Health Organization (as of August 2)
The graphic below, provided by Statista, illustrates the average number of daily new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. and the European Union.
- Sweden: Down 46 percent
- The Netherlands: Up 205 percent
- Belgium: Up 150 percent
- Spain: Up 113 percent
- France: Up 72 percent
- Germany: Up 59 percent
- Finland: Up 160 percent
- Denmark: Up 81 percent
- Norway: Up 61 percent
- U.K.: Up three percent
While an official lockdown was never ordered in Sweden, the country aimed to develop "herd immunity," hoping that an increased number of people exposed to the virus would help to prevent a second wave of infections.
Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, noted last week: "We have cut down on movement in society quite a lot. We have compared how much we travel in Scandinavian countries, and the decrease in travel is the same in Sweden as in neighboring countries," in an interview with UnHerd.
"In many ways the voluntary measures we put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lockdowns in other countries," he added.
There have been nearly 1.8 million (1,733, 550) confirmed cases in the European Union/European Economic Area and the U.K., according to the latest report Sunday by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).
More than 18 million people globally have been infected since the virus was first reported in Wuhan, China, including over 4.6 million in the U.S. Over 10.6 million globally have reportedly recovered from infection, while over 689,400 have died, as of Monday, according to the latest figures from Johns Hopkins University.
The graphic below, provided by Statista, illustrates countries with the most COVID-19 cases.
The graphics below, provided by Statista, illustrate the spread of COVID-19 cases in the U.S.
July 16 wrote:Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said he’s in no doubt his country’s highly controversial strategy for fighting Covid-19 remains appropriate.
Lofven, who has seen his popularity flag as Sweden’s decision not to impose a proper lockdown was followed by a spike in deaths, said he still thinks “the strategy is right, I’m completely convinced of that,” according to an interview with Aftonbladet.
The comments follow signs that, despite much higher rates of exposure to the coronavirus in Sweden than in many other places, immunity remains elusive. Meanwhile, Sweden’s mortality rate per 100,000 is higher than that in the U.S.
To be fair, our mortality rate is pretty much an illusion. We have no idea what it really is.stessier wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:46 pm Sweden defends its COVID strategy even as the mortality rate surpasses the U.S. and herd immunity remains elusive
July 16 wrote:Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said he’s in no doubt his country’s highly controversial strategy for fighting Covid-19 remains appropriate.
Lofven, who has seen his popularity flag as Sweden’s decision not to impose a proper lockdown was followed by a spike in deaths, said he still thinks “the strategy is right, I’m completely convinced of that,” according to an interview with Aftonbladet.
The comments follow signs that, despite much higher rates of exposure to the coronavirus in Sweden than in many other places, immunity remains elusive. Meanwhile, Sweden’s mortality rate per 100,000 is higher than that in the U.S.
Yeah our current direction is still "not before 1/1/2021" but I am def expecting it be well after that time that we return and little pressure to do so.ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:02 pm The corporate overlords just sent out a notice that we're looking at mid-2021 for returning to offices. (Obviously that doesn't apply to stores and techs and the like.)
Don't think you can go wrong with a Herman Miller Aeron. My only regret is that I spent a while using one of those "racing" chairs. My Aeron stopped working, so I stuck it in the garage. But I'm pretty sure that the racing chair didn't do my back any favors. Finally ordered a ~$30 replacement cylinder for the Aeron. And got rid of the racing chair. Though I'm thinking I need to replace the back support and maybe get new arms for the Aeron. One of these days.ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:55 pm I'm going to need to get some kind of office chair for home, because this repurposed kitchen chair is not going to work for another 9 months or so,
Treat yourself to an appropriately-sized SecretLab gaming chair. They're all terrifically well-made, and include a 5-Year extended warranty. Their quality is absolutely top notch and their chairs are extraordinarily comfortable and packed with useful features:ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:55 pm I'm going to need to get some kind of office chair for home, because this repurposed kitchen chair is not going to work for another 9 months or so,
Yep. There are estimates that up to 40% of people who get it never have a symptom.dbt1949 wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:30 pm Can you have the coronavirus and never show symptoms? I mean the whole life of the disease without and symptoms?
All of my friends (that still have jobs) that use to work in an office environment have been told they will not be coming back to the office. Their companies are letting the leases expire on the offices. I hate to own office or commercial real estate now. I travel between cities for work and the amount of zero occupancy office buildings lining the freeways is staggering. You can't give that shit away. Another friend folded his business because of Covid but he is keeping his office space for when he starts his next venture. Why?! He must really love that spacecoopasonic wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:51 pmYeah our current direction is still "not before 1/1/2021" but I am def expecting it be well after that time that we return and little pressure to do so.ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:02 pm The corporate overlords just sent out a notice that we're looking at mid-2021 for returning to offices. (Obviously that doesn't apply to stores and techs and the like.)
Let's all celebrate the holidays with big holiday family gatherings and head right back into the office!
I saved a bunch of money this summer on not sending the youngest to summer camp/daycare and we'll be skipping the after school care this year too (I mean for the week or so that schools are open before the first reported case).
.Yep Los Angeles office space is tanking big time. Wonder what will happen to it? They aren't going to be able to fill it anytime soon if ever.mori wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:11 pmAll of my friends (that still have jobs) that use to work in an office environment have been told they will not be coming back to the office. Their companies are letting the leases expire on the offices. I hate to own office or commercial real estate now. I travel between cities for work and the amount of zero occupancy office buildings lining the freeways is staggering. You can't give that shit away. Another friend folded his business because of Covid but he is keeping his office space for when he starts his next venture. Why?! He must really love that spacecoopasonic wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:51 pmYeah our current direction is still "not before 1/1/2021" but I am def expecting it be well after that time that we return and little pressure to do so.ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:02 pm The corporate overlords just sent out a notice that we're looking at mid-2021 for returning to offices. (Obviously that doesn't apply to stores and techs and the like.)
Let's all celebrate the holidays with big holiday family gatherings and head right back into the office!
I saved a bunch of money this summer on not sending the youngest to summer camp/daycare and we'll be skipping the after school care this year too (I mean for the week or so that schools are open before the first reported case).
The jury is definitely out on this.Jeff V wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:42 pm...evidence that suggests getting it does not give you immunity to getting it again.
Test results were negative. Phew. Must just be the standard summer cold.stessier wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:20 pm I got tested today. Last night before bed I noticed that I had an occasional urge to cough. This morning it was more insistent and the cough was undeniable. It wasn't frequent, but definitely there a few times/hour. In any other time, this would be a mild annoyance - I can still do my daily run. But these days, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed into work on Monday. I got the deep nasal test - not something I recommend anyone volunteer for, but survivable. They said 2-4 days for results, so maybe Monday but for sure by Wednesday. If I don't hear by then, I have a number to call. I'm supposed to quarantine until then.
It was a public pop up event - free test through insurance. It was running 8-noon and I got there about 9:30. I was number 135. Took about 40 minutes from the time I arrived until I drove away.
If I am infected, I really wonder where I got it. I run around my neighborhood, but otherwise don't leave the house except for work. We all wear masks and stay 6' apart but most of the time I'm sitting at my desk in a bullpen with 3 other people in a very large room. I guess we'll see.
My claritin and Singulair cocktail has always insulated me from allergies... Until this year, naturally. Allergies have been kicking my ass since May. Sore throats, coughing, sneezing, headaches, sinus craziness. They hypochondriac in me is going wild.stessier wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:26 pm Test results were negative. Phew. Must just be the standard summer cold.
Glad to hear it.stessier wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:26 pm Test results were negative. Phew. Must just be the standard summer cold.
If it is the story I think your talking about, that was the Governor of Ohio, DeWine. He tested positive with the quick test, and then has teseted negative with all the other tests after that. It was a shock at first, but it is easily explained, since the quick test will have false positives, but for a REAL positive, you have to have several positive tests in a row, and with the more coprehensive testing. Yes, I work in a hosptial system in Ohio, but I have no direct knowledge of Gov. DeWine's status, just what is written in the papers.Daehawk wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:14 pm They're talking on news now of just how terrible all the tests in the US are. One guy near Trump tested positive then the next time was negative then negative again. Our tests suck. I dont think Id trust any of them. And whats the point really if like me you're home? Got it or not theres no cure and nothing the hospitals will do unless you're mostly dead.
So I called work and I get to work from home for a week. It turns out a negative test isn't good enough - they say I'm sick (which, in fairness, I am although very mild) and they don't want me back in the building for 7 days from the onset of symptoms. So that's fun - I had a lot to do this week and didn't bring home my normal "WFH loadout." Bummer.stessier wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:26 pmTest results were negative. Phew. Must just be the standard summer cold.stessier wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:20 pm I got tested today. Last night before bed I noticed that I had an occasional urge to cough. This morning it was more insistent and the cough was undeniable. It wasn't frequent, but definitely there a few times/hour. In any other time, this would be a mild annoyance - I can still do my daily run. But these days, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed into work on Monday. I got the deep nasal test - not something I recommend anyone volunteer for, but survivable. They said 2-4 days for results, so maybe Monday but for sure by Wednesday. If I don't hear by then, I have a number to call. I'm supposed to quarantine until then.
It was a public pop up event - free test through insurance. It was running 8-noon and I got there about 9:30. I was number 135. Took about 40 minutes from the time I arrived until I drove away.
If I am infected, I really wonder where I got it. I run around my neighborhood, but otherwise don't leave the house except for work. We all wear masks and stay 6' apart but most of the time I'm sitting at my desk in a bullpen with 3 other people in a very large room. I guess we'll see.
