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Why? We've got cards that let any of us Act Seer like. And we've got ones that let us talk to the dead and protect people. Be nice to get a Wolf on Day 1.Qantaga wrote:stessier wrote: Will anyone counter?
Seriously stess? With three wolves, it would be foolhardy for a real seer to counter. (And you know it).
stessier wrote:Why? We've got cards that let any of us Act Seer like. And we've got ones that let us talk to the dead and protect people. Be nice to get a Wolf on Day 1.
Wow dude. You need to put down that pipe you are smoking. Again, either you are not paying attention to what I'm saying, or you are doing your best to cause confusion. Either way it is not helping. I didn't say lynching redrun was like lynching a seer. I said the circumstances are the same. We have some information. We don't know if it is wrong or right at this point. Why lynch the guy that gave us that information right now? There is no good reason. None. We can wait to see if his information pans out or is a red herring. The same way the village should have done with Grund when he claimed seer. It is day one and we have other people with no information we can go after who are much better targets.Remus West wrote: bb2112's assertion that this is like lynching the Seer is idiotic. You do not lynch the Seer because of the potential for FUTURE information not because of anything he has done that day. Card users possess no more or less potential for future information than any other (non-Seer) player.
Great question. I was just getting ready to ask the same thing.Qantaga wrote:
*Lassr, what happens if a seer is killed by the dark mages at night (what is the turn order)? Does the seer get to scan before they die and carry that scan information with them to the grave? Or are they killed before they even get the opportunity to scan?
Remus West wrote: How does that defy logic? Seriously, what do you expect the wolves to be doing other than trying to appear helpful without really being helpful. You can bet 100% that were I a wolf with a scan card I would use it on someone and, depending on the results, report the use of the card and some sort of results to the village. Doing so allows the wolves to plant a lie - whatever they want us to think the results were as well as the lie by omission of what they may very well have really been - while giving us enough truth - "Hey guys, I used this village beneficial card" - to seem like they are helping.
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To me, redrun has looked like a wolf playing a long range game and trying to set me up. The claim of scan means jack to me.
When was I silent?stessier wrote:Interesting. Will anyone counter?
withdraw Bubbles
I don't know why you think that matters. Silence will get you burned more times than it won't.Mr Bubbles wrote:I've played exactly the way I always have and got burned for it.
Oh my. I've got four folks that I have strong 'could be wolf' feelings about. The top three folks on Chaosraven list... and Chaosraven. So, given this post, I'm more than happy to see if I'm wrong about Chaosraven.Chaosraven wrote: withdraw redrun
I believe the Bad Guys to be in:
Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles
By clearing you he has left 2 wolf players 10 spots to hide as opposed to 3 wolves hiding in 12 slots since many folks refuse to consider him. Thus he actually improved their odds for today being a miss by removing you and himself from consideration.Qantaga wrote:By "clearing" me, he has now left the wolves at 3 players to hide in 10 spots, when he could have just burned the Mind's Eye card silently (leaving us to guess about if and when it might turn up for the rest of the game) and kept me in lynch consideration today.
Mr Bubbles wrote:When was I silent?stessier wrote:Interesting. Will anyone counter?
withdraw Bubbles
I don't know why you think that matters. Silence will get you burned more times than it won't.Mr Bubbles wrote:I've played exactly the way I always have and got burned for it.
and even when if I was.. when has poking the silents been a good policy. It usually ends up bad.
Newcastle wrote:POST COUNT UP till my last post:
Newcastle - 56
Chaosraven - 53
BB2112 - 51
stessier - 48
theohall - 43
Mr. Bubbles - 35
Remus West - 33
Qantaga - 32
triggercut - 26
El Guapo - 24
RMC - 20
kraegor - 17
redrun - 14
bb2112 wrote:Great question. I was just getting ready to ask the same thing.Qantaga wrote:
*Lassr, what happens if a seer is killed by the dark mages at night (what is the turn order)? Does the seer get to scan before they die and carry that scan information with them to the grave? Or are they killed before they even get the opportunity to scan?
Seer does get a scan in before dying.Qantaga wrote:
*Lassr, what happens if a seer is killed by the dark mages at night (what is the turn order)? Does the seer get to scan before they die and carry that scan information with them to the grave? Or are they killed before they even get the opportunity to scan?
Remus West wrote: By clearing you he has left 2 wolf players 10 spots to hide as opposed to 3 wolves hiding in 12 slots since many folks refuse to consider him. Thus he actually improved their odds for today being a miss by removing you and himself from consideration.
Remus West wrote:You guys are looking at one play through one lens and ignoring the rest of his actions.
Thanks Lasssr.Lassr wrote:Seer does get a scan in before dying.
Interesting. We'll have to see how Mr. Bubbles plays out - how long he lives, etc.. While a seer claim is exactly what I think a wolf would do in Mr. Bubbles position, time will tell. He's not been on my radar, so I've got little more to say about that. Note: reading this over, I feel that I need to add the following before someone twists my words. I won't vote for Mr. Bubbles today, I doubt that I'd vote for him tomorrow - there are other folks we can look at now, and the wolves cannot risk letting him live too long if he is the seer.Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles
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Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ----- Chaosraven ----- stessier
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- redrun ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- RMC ----- redrun ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- Chaosraven ----- stessier ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
I do find it interesting that we've gotLassr wrote: 16. Toss a dart (Choose 3 players that currently have votes against them and you will be told if those players contain at least 1 wolf.) 1 use
OK. No editing.redrun wrote:Interesting. We'll have to see how Mr. Bubbles plays out - how long he lives, etc.. While a seer claim is exactly what I think a wolf would do in Mr. Bubbles position, time will tell. He's not been on my radar, so I've got little more to say about that. Note: reading this over, I feel that I need to add the following before someone twists my words. I won't vote for Mr. Bubbles today, I doubt that I'd vote for him tomorrow - there are other folks we can look at now, and the wolves cannot risk letting him live too long if he is the seer.Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles
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Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ----- Chaosraven ----- stessier
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- redrun ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- RMC ----- redrun ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- Chaosraven ----- stessier ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
However, given the following:I do find it interesting that we've gotLassr wrote: 16. Toss a dart (Choose 3 players that currently have votes against them and you will be told if those players contain at least 1 wolf.) 1 use
Newcastle voting for Stessier
Stessier voting for Mr. Bubbles.
Mr. Bubbles voting for Stessier.
I've wondered if that card would cause an unusual voting pattern. If one of these came up evil, I'd be willing to test a second one...
You are right that it would be 2/9 rather than 10 but it still improves their odds. As for the spotlight on him, how so? It isn't as though we can hope to get more from him so the wolves have zero interest/reason to off him if he is a villager which gives him the perfect excuse for survival as a wolf. I'd say that is a pretty nice light to have on you as a bad guy.Qantaga wrote:Remus West wrote: By clearing you he has left 2 wolf players 10 spots to hide as opposed to 3 wolves hiding in 12 slots since many folks refuse to consider him. Thus he actually improved their odds for today being a miss by removing you and himself from consideration.
In your scenario, it would be 2 in 9 (not 2 in 10). By doing so, he also puts a bigger spotlight on himself than he would by burning the card silently.
Remus West wrote:You guys are looking at one play through one lens and ignoring the rest of his actions.
What "us guys" (bb can correct me if I misrepresent him) are doing is looking at the events of the day and advocating that it is unwise to lynch redrun today.
was that parseltongue?Qantaga wrote: Thanks Lasssr.
Lassr wrote:was that parseltongue?Qantaga wrote: Thanks Lasssr.
Maybe my issue is that giving him a pass for today is silly as there is going to be no change in his standing tomorrow. Giving him a pass based on what he has done today is pretty close to the same as suggesting you give him a pass for the game.bb2112 wrote:Give up Q. Remus is not going to see the light. He is stubborn.
And you are exactly right in my sentiments in your post above. RR does not get a pass for the game, but he deserves one for today.
The idea behind giving redrun a "pass" on day 1 is that he would have been a good candidate to scan for our Seer.Remus West wrote:Maybe my issue is that giving him a pass for today is silly as there is going to be no change in his standing tomorrow. Giving him a pass based on what he has done today is pretty close to the same as suggesting you give him a pass for the game.bb2112 wrote:Give up Q. Remus is not going to see the light. He is stubborn.
And you are exactly right in my sentiments in your post above. RR does not get a pass for the game, but he deserves one for today.
See that is always my issue and why people just seemed lazy with this vote. When a train goes that easy it almost always is off base. But I didn't want to take the chance of not stating my role, so I wasn't about to hope beyond hope that someone would back off. I agree with your three and the reasoning. I am favoring Newcastle as good and Q at this point. Remus.. I am reluctant to let him off the hook, but I don't necessarily suspect him.theohall wrote:My 3... although CR put some doubt in this when voting for stessier...
Chaosraven - because specific folks will not vote for him, yet quickly jump on other trains.
stessier - because he keeps "following" votes - like a wolf using a villager to hide behind. He also has the specific folks will not vote for him thing going, in spite of his actions seeming odd.
RMC - because he has been so quiet and is barely voting - like a wolf trying to be careful - which Chaosraven had been doing.
The Mr B train started and went to N-1 really quick, yet we can't get someone else to N-1? Seems like wolves pushing that train - of which stessier was one of the loudest and, of course, his vote again followed someone else's vote. If Newcastle is a villager, which I believe to be the case, it is stessier hiding behind a villager vote again.
oooh i hadnt thought about the rez card.....well i think its a given that if someone gets it...you use it ASAP on Bubbles (if he should die tonight of course...blahblahblah...but i think he's true so..)...but that adds a WHOLE new wrinkle to things actually.triggercut wrote:The idea behind giving redrun a "pass" on day 1 is that he would have been a good candidate to scan for our Seer.Remus West wrote:Maybe my issue is that giving him a pass for today is silly as there is going to be no change in his standing tomorrow. Giving him a pass based on what he has done today is pretty close to the same as suggesting you give him a pass for the game.bb2112 wrote:Give up Q. Remus is not going to see the light. He is stubborn.
And you are exactly right in my sentiments in your post above. RR does not get a pass for the game, but he deserves one for today.
For my thinking he still gets a pass on day one and we hope that if Bubbles is our Seer he picks wisely from a small field and is either able to protect himself or we get a rez card right away. My willingness to "pass" him pretty much disappears after today absent other events.
Since you like to get hung up on things, I'll repeat myself - I am not following voters. I vote where I see a chance to lynch someone if I don't have a reason not to - like, you know, everyone else.theohall wrote:stessier - because he keeps "following" votes - like a wolf using a villager to hide behind. He also has the specific folks will not vote for him thing going, in spite of his actions seeming odd.
You SAY you are not following voters. Outside of the Mr Bubbles vote, every single vote of yours has been darn near immediately after someone else placed a NEW vote on someone who had no votes prior to the NEW vote. That is FOLLOWING and it is an ACTION which can be ascribed to your voting pattern, regardless of your words.stessier wrote:Since you like to get hung up on things, I'll repeat myself - I am not following voters. I vote where I see a chance to lynch someone if I don't have a reason not to - like, you know, everyone else.theohall wrote:stessier - because he keeps "following" votes - like a wolf using a villager to hide behind. He also has the specific folks will not vote for him thing going, in spite of his actions seeming odd.
Wow. Your statements are getting more and more rediculous.Remus West wrote: Giving him a pass based on what he has done today is pretty close to the same as suggesting you give him a pass for the game.
It's so sad to see you stick your head in the sand once again. Or maybe a better visual is sticking your fingers in your ears. Either way, you are wrong again. But you seem happy, so who am I to judge?theohall wrote:You SAY you are not following voters. Outside of the Mr Bubbles vote, every single vote of yours has been darn near immediately after someone else placed a NEW vote on someone who had no votes prior to the NEW vote. That is FOLLOWING and it is an ACTION which can be ascribed to your voting pattern, regardless of your words.stessier wrote:Since you like to get hung up on things, I'll repeat myself - I am not following voters. I vote where I see a chance to lynch someone if I don't have a reason not to - like, you know, everyone else.theohall wrote:stessier - because he keeps "following" votes - like a wolf using a villager to hide behind. He also has the specific folks will not vote for him thing going, in spite of his actions seeming odd.
Remus never went to n-1. Chaosraven publicly declined, saying that he was saving his vote against Remus for the killing blow. It was humorous, and in keeping with CR's persona with regards to Remus. Perhaps that's all it was.Remus West -5 -------- El Guapo, bb2112, RMC, triggercut, kraegor
That vote train never went further.Chaosraven -5 ---------- Newcastle, kraegor, Mr. Bubbles, redrun, theohall
Here's where my vote is going--and probably staying today--and why.Mr. Bubbles -6 -------- bb2112, El Guapo, RMC, stessier, triggercut, chaosraven
Other than your initial Mr Bubbles vote, when did your vote NOT follow someone else's vote? Hmmmm.... Oh... that's right. Actions speak louder than words. Why so defensive when you are not even close to being lynched?stessier wrote:It's so sad to see you stick your head in the sand once again. Or maybe a better visual is sticking your fingers in your ears. Either way, you are wrong again. But you seem happy, so who am I to judge?theohall wrote:You SAY you are not following voters. Outside of the Mr Bubbles vote, every single vote of yours has been darn near immediately after someone else placed a NEW vote on someone who had no votes prior to the NEW vote. That is FOLLOWING and it is an ACTION which can be ascribed to your voting pattern, regardless of your words.stessier wrote:Since you like to get hung up on things, I'll repeat myself - I am not following voters. I vote where I see a chance to lynch someone if I don't have a reason not to - like, you know, everyone else.theohall wrote:stessier - because he keeps "following" votes - like a wolf using a villager to hide behind. He also has the specific folks will not vote for him thing going, in spite of his actions seeming odd.