Octopus Overlords

Come on, let's lynch someone!!!! It's almost Christmas, and what is better than a festive lynching!

RMC wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

bb2112 wrote:As I said, I agree with the waiting thing, unless Lincoln is Q, El G, or Remus. Otherwise I think he should step forward now.

Why would Lincoln step forward if he's one of Qantaga, Remus, or me?

BB said you three were the most likely to get lynched at night...

Yes, you actually might have to read more than one of my posts to fully understand that statement and why it may not be as narrowing as it sounds. But this game has been such a whirlwind of action I can see how my post could easily get buried beneath the flurry.

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 wrote:As I said, I agree with the waiting thing, unless Lincoln is Q, El G, or Remus. Otherwise I think he should step forward now.

I don't like the narrowing focus of that statement.

This makes me think I am right, you are evil.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

Ok, time to get caught up after not reading the thread for the past few days...

bb2112 wrote:Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

And I'm done.

bb2112 wrote:

RMC wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

bb2112 wrote:As I said, I agree with the waiting thing, unless Lincoln is Q, El G, or Remus. Otherwise I think he should step forward now.

Why would Lincoln step forward if he's one of Qantaga, Remus, or me?

BB said you three were the most likely to get lynched at night...

Yes, you actually might have to read more than one of my posts to fully understand that statement and why it may not be as narrowing as it sounds. But this game has been such a whirlwind of action I can see how my post could easily get buried beneath the flurry.

Hey, that post was like three pages ago. Might as well ask me to remember high school calculus while you're at it.

But it's still a little unsettling to me, as it sounds a bit like you're fishing for specials.

bb2112 wrote:Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

Also, HAPPY HOLIDAYS?!?!?!??!

 bb2112 
 


For waging the war on Christmas.

El Guapo wrote:

bb2112 wrote:Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

Also, HAPPY HOLIDAYS?!?!?!??!

 bb2112 
 


For waging the war on Christmas.

Awesome. After I'm dead, everyone please look at Remus, Trig and El G, in that order.

Moliere, how many more votes until I shake off this mortal coil? Vote count, please.

Dammit. I think that is only 3 votes on me. I thought I was a little further along. Can we get a few more?

bb2112 wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

bb2112 wrote:Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

Also, HAPPY HOLIDAYS?!?!?!??!

 bb2112 
 


For waging the war on Christmas.

Awesome. After I'm dead, everyone please look at Remus, Trig and El G, in that order.

Except that apparently we would be running a high chance of outing Lincoln.

Ok. What exactly did BB do?

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok. What exactly did BB do?

My vote on bb is not really a firm one, and is at least partially for the "war on Christmas" joke. That said, I did find his "if Lincoln is one of these three specific people he should use his power" remark (both here and on p.11) unsettling because it sounds a bit like he's fishing for information on who might be Lincoln. Either hoping that he can get Lincoln to use his power early (if he's in the group of three, and if the wolves have decided that they would want Lincoln to use his power early) or hoping to observe the conduct of the three post-remark to see how we respond (to calibrate night killing).

Not open and shut, but that's why that remark raised by eyebrow.

bb2112 wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

bb2112 wrote:Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

Also, HAPPY HOLIDAYS?!?!?!??!

 bb2112 
 


For waging the war on Christmas.

Awesome. After I'm dead, everyone please look at Remus, Trig and El G, in that order.

Moliere, how many more votes until I shake off this mortal coil? Vote count, please.

Yes, look at me.

Foolishness.

I was going to vote for you, but I think it'll annoy you more not to!

El Guapo wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok. What exactly did BB do?

My vote on bb is not really a firm one, and is at least partially for the "war on Christmas" joke. That said, I did find his "if Lincoln is one of these three specific people he should use his power" remark (both here and on p.11) unsettling because it sounds a bit like he's fishing for information on who might be Lincoln. Either hoping that he can get Lincoln to use his power early (if he's in the group of three, and if the wolves have decided that they would want Lincoln to use his power early) or hoping to observe the conduct of the three post-remark to see how we respond (to calibrate night killing).

Not open and shut, but that's why that remark raised by eyebrow.

Either you guys don't have very good reading comprehension or you are purposely trying to obsfucate what I was saying.

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I agree with Remus that Lincoln should rez Lassr.

I never asked why we did not do it. I asked why we were not discussing it. I have not given my thought on the matter one way or the other at this point.

I think if you are Lincoln you should do it today. I also think if El G, or Q is Lincoln then one of them should do it today as well. IMHO I think you three are the most likely to get killed at night. If I was a baddie, I would be most worried about that group. I would also add our dearly departed Lassr to that mix. No offense to the rest of us, but I don't think we hold the same cache and therefore are not as dangerous. If Lincoln is not one of those three and feels he can fly under the radar, then I would say take another day.

Now that I said that, those three could also choose to play chicken, but I think the risk is still greatest with one of them being killed tonight.

Now this comment was done for two reasons.

1. I completely believe that the most likely night kills for tonight are El G, Q, or Remus, unless one or all are evil. They are IMHO the best three players left in the game. Therefore, if one of them was Lincoln, I would like them to not take the power to the grave. I bolded and underlined the comment that if they choose to not listen to my advice, which is a valid choice on their part, though probably not the wisest one, then they do have an out clause. Besides, nobody listens to me in these games, so the likelihood of one of these three actually being Lincoln, and then doing what I suggested is somewhere between slim and yeah right. So it is really not as narrowing as one would assume. Anyone who does assume it is narrowing though... Which brings me to...

2. Now the other reason is to see how everyone reacts.

RMC - was confused about my "three" comment. Theo calls him out on it as manufacturing a reason to lynch me. If Theo is right, it is very clumsy, as I pointed out at the time. I think this is RMC just being confused. Then RMC votes for me, this could be in reaction to me off the wall posts, a little embarrassment on the reading comprehension, don't know. What I do know is RMC is rarely right and is continuing the meme in this game. Most likely not evil.

Theo - I love his post on RMC. Although, he has not been that engaged. Most likely not evil.

Scoop - Wants to use the Rez right now regardless of who might be Lincoln, or if we wait, we could possibly Rez a named republican. Trending evil.

El G - Wants to use the Rez now. Has been asking a lot of questions, is clearly engaged, then eventually votes for me after I have been pointing to him. He is either a special, or evil, but either way, he is definitely not a run of the mill hack Republican. I think he is evil, but may be a good special.

Remus - Despite being an extremely intelligent guy, is very confused by my statement. Doesn't really seem to want clarity, but does like to point out how I'm narrowing down the pool with my statements which only makes sense if everyone is dancing to my tune, which is ridiculous. This is an evil Remus.

Vorret - is easily led. He flip flops on a few points. Don't know him well enough to know if he is trying to be thoughtful and accommodating, or if when presented with strong opinions just agrees to fly under the radar. Unknown.

Trig - Like El G, totally engaged, asking good questions. I have been poking him to see if I could get a read on him. I get the vibe he is either a special or a democrat. Honestly, I don't know which. I keep flipping back and forth between evil and not evil.

Q - Says he will post, but disappears. A lot. Not engaged. No read.

Chaosraven, Tru1cy, J.D. - no clue. Not really engaged.

Back from folks down east...

You calling me a dog BB?

Well...Heck, that looks like a good BB. Damn...

 Withdraw BB 
 


Of course that means that Remus us evil..

 Remus West 
 

Vorret wrote:Back from folks down east...

You calling me a dog BB?

You're still too narrow in your focus. You have based everything around interactions with you and not the game as a whole. Also, I lean more towards you either wrote it poorly or you are trying to color it differently as I am not the only one to interpret your post as being a fishing expedition.

I find it interesting that nobody has even commented on the scenario I laid out.

Remus West wrote:You're still too narrow in your focus. You have based everything around interactions with you and not the game as a whole. Also, I lean more towards you either wrote it poorly or you are trying to color it differently as I am not the only one to interpret your post as being a fishing expedition.

I find it interesting that nobody has even commented on the scenario I laid out.

First I was narrowing the pool, now I'm narrowing my focus.

Remus West wrote:You're still too narrow in your focus. You have based everything around interactions with you and not the game as a whole. Also, I lean more towards you either wrote it poorly or you are trying to color it differently as I am not the only one to interpret your post as being a fishing expedition.

I find it interesting that nobody has even commented on the scenario I laid out.

I thought I did. Are we talking about lincoln rezing or did I miss a scenario. Trying to get re-engaged after christmas.

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote:You're still too narrow in your focus. You have based everything around interactions with you and not the game as a whole. Also, I lean more towards you either wrote it poorly or you are trying to color it differently as I am not the only one to interpret your post as being a fishing expedition.

I find it interesting that nobody has even commented on the scenario I laid out.

First I was narrowing the pool, now I'm narrowing my focus.

BB, I appreciate the hard work you just put in but I'm really confused why you think anyone is targeting you at the moment.

I get your point about the TOP three players being a likely candidate to die tonight and I agree with it. I also don't see how that's fishing (El G pointed this out). I actually think it dovetails nicely with my "use it or maybe lose it" strategy for Lincoln but it seems Lincoln doesn't agree or is dead already. So, its a moot point.

If I'm trending evil you are certainly trending good in my eyes except for the odd assumption you are going to be today's lynch.

I do think we need to start generating some heat so ....

I voted RMC earlier and I didn't give a reason. Not one person (including RMC) made one comment on it. WTFN?

So I will go ahead and give my reason. Lassr named me prominently as a possible evil in his eyes the day before he dies. I think killing Lassr could have been an attempt to color me as guilty. And who is always trying to set me up for a fall? My besty RMC. Thats why I dropped my vote on him. So, whose with me?

The scenario I outlined here

The one that potentially locks in a win for us.


bb2112, a question for you.
1) You stated that you think El Guapo, Qantaga, and myself are the three best players for the village if we are good
2) You then decided that El Guapo and myself are trending evil due to not agreeing with the course of action you laid out.
3) Does it not occur to you that if we are good and you push us to the edge you are doing the bad guys job for them?

You narrowed the field to the three people you feel can assist the search the best. You then target two of the three (with the third not having responded yet) as likely evil. I see three possibilities there.
1) You are the Seer and scanned one of us Evil. Since you are pushing mostly for me and I know this is an impossibility I discard this reasoning.
2) You are Evil and figure if you can get one of us lynched then it makes your night time activities easier.
3) You are good and simply doing the village a disservice through misguided reasoning.

I'm not sure which I think more, 2 or 3.

I want to give folks a chance to look at the scenario I outlined and comment on that before I go further with this though.

and Scoop, while it is possible Lincoln was Lassr I do not think the lack of rez signals he had to have been. It is entirely plausible that he has not made up his mind or has not been active to use his ability.

Also, I do not feel RMC is trending Evil right now. I don't think folks need to attempt to set you up with night kills as you are a very active player and active players tend to be easier to get lynched. I think it much more likely that the bad guys considered Lassr a dangerous opponent and thus removed him.

RMC wrote:Well...Heck, that looks like a good BB. Damn...

 Withdraw BB 
 


Of course that means that Remus us evil..

 Remus West 
 

I do have my eye on RMC (that's where my vote was before bb, and I may well go back). I'm not liking this post, for example. Not a lot of reasoning, just "oh, bb looks good, so bb must be right, so Remus." Doesn't really make a lot of sense, just sounds like thin vote justification.

Remus West wrote:The scenario I outlined here

The one that potentially locks in a win for us.


bb2112, a question for you.
1) You stated that you think El Guapo, Qantaga, and myself are the three best players for the village if we are good
2) You then decided that El Guapo and myself are trending evil due to not agreeing with the course of action you laid out.
3) Does it not occur to you that if we are good and you push us to the edge you are doing the bad guys job for them?

And what if you are evil? Who's job am I doing then? What if I switch my focus off of you, who are acting evil, and move it to someone who is actually good? Didn't I just do a disservice to the village then?

Remus West wrote: You narrowed the field to the three people you feel can assist the search the best. You then target two of the three (with the third not having responded yet) as likely evil. I see three possibilities there.
1) You are the Seer and scanned one of us Evil. Since you are pushing mostly for me and I know this is an impossibility I discard this reasoning.
2) You are Evil and figure if you can get one of us lynched then it makes your night time activities easier.
3) You are good and simply doing the village a disservice through misguided reasoning.

I'm not sure which I think more, 2 or 3.

If you are not evil, then you have actually been doing a disservice to the village. You looked at my post as a a narrowing expedition to out our specials not taking into account that nobody has to listen to me. The claim I made about you, El G, and Q being probably our best players left and most likely night kill candidates was ignored. Your last claim that I only focused my perceptions of people based on "my" interactions with them, not reading where I have said whether they have been engaged, whether they want to use the Rez now or later, or even their interactions with each other. Your posts even before my stirring the pot post were striking me as odd. Like you were trying to manufacture reasons to lynch as opposed to actually trying to find bad guys. The good Remus stirs the pot, the evil Remus puts out bad logic. You have exhibited much more of the latter than the former.

Remus West wrote: I want to give folks a chance to look at the scenario I outlined and comment on that before I go further with this though.

I will look at this again later.

Scoop20906 wrote:

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote:You're still too narrow in your focus. You have based everything around interactions with you and not the game as a whole. Also, I lean more towards you either wrote it poorly or you are trying to color it differently as I am not the only one to interpret your post as being a fishing expedition.

I find it interesting that nobody has even commented on the scenario I laid out.

First I was narrowing the pool, now I'm narrowing my focus.

BB, I appreciate the hard work you just put in but I'm really confused why you think anyone is targeting you at the moment.

I get your point about the TOP three players being a likely candidate to die tonight and I agree with it. I also don't see how that's fishing (El G pointed this out). I actually think it dovetails nicely with my "use it or maybe lose it" strategy for Lincoln but it seems Lincoln doesn't agree or is dead already. So, its a moot point.

If I'm trending evil you are certainly trending good in my eyes except for the odd assumption you are going to be today's lynch.

I do think we need to start generating some heat so ....

I voted RMC earlier and I didn't give a reason. Not one person (including RMC) made one comment on it. WTFN?

So I will go ahead and give my reason. Lassr named me prominently as a possible evil in his eyes the day before he dies. I think killing Lassr could have been an attempt to color me as guilty. And who is always trying to set me up for a fall? My besty RMC. Thats why I dropped my vote on him. So, whose with me?

The only reason I thought people were targeting me was because I knew I had votes on me before and then El G added his vote. In my mind that put me up to 4 or 5 votes, in reality when I went back to check, it put me up to 3. Still the most of anyone else. Also to be fair, that put me at 4 votes away from a lynch and I have garnered 6 votes and gotten lynched in 2 1/2 hours before when I haven't even been online. More than once. Then got chastised for not claiming special because I was the only one that didn't see it coming. I am a little gun shy.

Remus West wrote: If after night 2 We Rez someone
11 players with 2 scans, an outted Lincoln, a rezzed Republican, a Teddy shot, and outted Reagan. That gives us the 6 we need for majority assuming no overlap in the scans and specials. The convert places all of that in limbo but if all three specials live through this next night......

The other thing to consider is that, although we get to our 6, they also have a berserker which will again reduce the numbers so depending on lynch order (or who Teddy shoots) the numbers change.

Looking at that, I remain against the rez today.
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Very interesting, but this also assumes no overlaps between scans and the dead, as well as the scans and the specials. In a perfect set up your plan makes sense, but there are a lot of chances of overlap. I still agree about no Rez today as long as Lincoln feels reasonably sure he is hidden well enough that he thinks he can survive the night. As far as our seer revealing himself and his scans, that would be up to him, and one would hope he has a bad guy or no overlaps when he does. In my perfect world, as long as Lincoln is still flying under the radar, I would like to save his Rez for either Reagan or Teddy.

bb2112 referring to me wrote:you, who are acting evil

You keep saying that yet have yet to provide an example of how I'm acting evil other than disagreeing with your assessment regarding actions E, Q, and/or I should take.

Also, our Seer gets told roles according to the rules so he'll know if he has any overlaps before he makes a decision to come forward or not.

Rules wrote:Ronald Reagan: Can tell who is acting and therefore sees the true role of any ALIVE player.

Interesting that you do not know that given your heavy handed hint a moment ago.

bb2112 wrote:Also to be fair, that put me at 4 votes away from a lynch and I have garnered 6 votes and gotten lynched in 2 1/2 hours before when I haven't even been online. More than once. Then got chastised for not claiming special because I was the only one that didn't see it coming. I am a little gun shy.

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 referring to me wrote:you, who are acting evil

You keep saying that yet have yet to provide an example of how I'm acting evil other than disagreeing with your assessment regarding actions E, Q, and/or I should take.

Wrong. Provided and ignored by you.

Remus West wrote: Also, our Seer gets told roles according to the rules so he'll know if he has any overlaps before he makes a decision to come forward or not.

Rules wrote:Ronald Reagan: Can tell who is acting and therefore sees the true role of any ALIVE player.

Interesting that you do not know that given your heavy handed hint a moment ago.

Also mentioned by me and ignored by you. Again you are not stirring, you are fabricating. Evil Remus.

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 referring to me wrote:you, who are acting evil

You keep saying that yet have yet to provide an example of how I'm acting evil other than disagreeing with your assessment regarding actions E, Q, and/or I should take.

Wrong. Provided and ignored by you.

Really? You consider telling me I am wrong in my interpretation of your post regarding Lincoln and "the three" to be the accusation of how I'm acting evil? So basically what you are saying is that if I ever disagree with you then I am evil. In spite of having claimed I'm one of the better three players. Do ya see where your "logic" falls through there? Where have you looked at anything else and said it reflects evil intent? The "you disagree with me and are therefore evil" is a ridiculous claim, so yes, I have ignored it because there is simply no response to it. I suppose I could claim to be rubber and name you glue but I'd hate to steal your final argument.

Remus West wrote: Also, our Seer gets told roles according to the rules so he'll know if he has any overlaps before he makes a decision to come forward or not.

Rules wrote:Ronald Reagan: Can tell who is acting and therefore sees the true role of any ALIVE player.

Interesting that you do not know that given your heavy handed hint a moment ago.

Also mentioned by me and ignored by you. Again you are not stirring, you are fabricating. Evil Remus.

Mentioned by you? Ummmmm....given the post I quoted was directly above here and separated only by a second post of your own where you demonstrate not knowing the Seer rules I have a hard time seeing where you have mentioned it and I ignored it.

Posts in order:
bb2112 drops heavy handed hint
bb2112 posts a comment regarding "As far as our seer revealing himself and his scans, that would be up to him, and one would hope he has a bad guy or no overlaps when he does." Thus showing he has not looked at seeing the Seer will know if he has overlaps or not.
Remus West points out both hint and cluelessness.
bb2112 claims to have already mentioned both.

What the hell do you think I am fabricating? We are the only two posting in the game thread. It isn't like folks are going to need to dig far to find what I'm questioning.

Remus West wrote: Really? You consider telling me I am wrong in my interpretation of your post regarding Lincoln and "the three" to be the accusation of how I'm acting evil? So basically what you are saying is that if I ever disagree with you then I am evil.

If you would have said you thought I was wrong, then this would have been ok. I don't give a rats ass if you think I'm wrong. But that isn't what you said now is it.

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 wrote:As I said, I agree with the waiting thing, unless Lincoln is Q, El G, or Remus. Otherwise I think he should step forward now.

I don't like the narrowing focus of that statement.

No question or disagreement. Just your stated feelings on your interpretation of what I said. You ignored my original post. See underline.

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I agree with Remus that Lincoln should rez Lassr.

I never asked why we did not do it. I asked why we were not discussing it. I have not given my thought on the matter one way or the other at this point.

I think if you are Lincoln you should do it today. I also think if El G, or Q is Lincoln then one of them should do it today as well. IMHO I think you three are the most likely to get killed at night. If I was a baddie, I would be most worried about that group. I would also add our dearly departed Lassr to that mix. No offense to the rest of us, but I don't think we hold the same cache and therefore are not as dangerous. If Lincoln is not one of those three and feels he can fly under the radar, then I would say take another day.

Now that I said that, those three could also choose to play chicken, but I think the risk is still greatest with one of them being killed tonight.

Again, agree, don't agree, I don't care. But that is not what you said. You said I was trying to narrow the focus. The fact that you state my intentions were to narrow the pool is absurd. See underline above. It is because you are telling me what my intent is that I have an issue with you. A good Remus digs, a bad Remus only looks at partial statements to try and paint others as evil. I have other examples if you want to see them, but this post is going to be long enough already.

Remus West wrote: In spite of having claimed I'm one of the better three players. Do ya see where your "logic" falls through there? Where have you looked at anything else and said it reflects evil intent? The "you disagree with me and are therefore evil" is a ridiculous claim, so yes, I have ignored it because there is simply no response to it. I suppose I could claim to be rubber and name you glue but I'd hate to steal your final argument.

The logic you fail to grasp is you can still be the best player left in the game and still be evil. You act like it has never happened before. So just because I think you are a good player I should lay off?

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote: Also, our Seer gets told roles according to the rules so he'll know if he has any overlaps before he makes a decision to come forward or not.

Rules wrote:Ronald Reagan: Can tell who is acting and therefore sees the true role of any ALIVE player.

Interesting that you do not know that given your heavy handed hint a moment ago.

Also mentioned by me and ignored by you. Again you are not stirring, you are fabricating. Evil Remus.

Mentioned by you? Ummmmm....given the post I quoted was directly above here and separated only by a second post of your own where you demonstrate not knowing the Seer rules I have a hard time seeing where you have mentioned it and I ignored it.

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote: If after night 2 We Rez someone
11 players with 2 scans, an outted Lincoln, a rezzed Republican, a Teddy shot, and outted Reagan. That gives us the 6 we need for majority assuming no overlap in the scans and specials. The convert places all of that in limbo but if all three specials live through this next night......

The other thing to consider is that, although we get to our 6, they also have a berserker which will again reduce the numbers so depending on lynch order (or who Teddy shoots) the numbers change.

Looking at that, I remain against the rez today.
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Very interesting, but this also assumes no overlaps between scans and the dead, as well as the scans and the specials. In a perfect set up your plan makes sense, but there are a lot of chances of overlap. I still agree about no Rez today as long as Lincoln feels reasonably sure he is hidden well enough that he thinks he can survive the night. As far as our seer revealing himself and his scans, that would be up to him, and one would hope he has a bad guy or no overlaps when he does. In my perfect world, as long as Lincoln is still flying under the radar, I would like to save his Rez for either Reagan or Teddy.

Here I actually agree with you if the seer has no overlaps. Just pointing out the only potential flaw in the seer coming out tomorrow as you suggested. I state my case and say the seer has the choice to reveal. You take that statement as I don't know the rules? Put down the crack pipe Mr. Evil Fabricator. That is a huge stretch.

Remus West wrote: What the hell do you think I am fabricating? We are the only two posting in the game thread. It isn't like folks are going to need to dig far to find what I'm questioning.

You are fabricating my intent, saying I don't understand the rules, purposely misstating what I have said, and are not asking questions. You just assume you are right and are trying to paint me in your view of the world instead of really trying to see what I am saying. In other words, Evil Fabricating Remus.

Does it make sense to save Lincoln for Reagan? For that to work, Reagan has to reveal himself before either Reagan or Lincoln are killed (if Reagan dies first then Lincoln does not know who to rez; if Lincoln dies first there's no rez). On top of that, due to timing I am not sure if we get an extra scan out of that. If Reagan gets rezzed during the day then he is immediately killed that night. He can't be protected that night by Teddy (assuming that he is still alive) because Teddy sets his protection the night before. And Moliere's answer earlier indicated that Reagan wouldn't have a chance to announce his night scan before getting killed. That's on top of the fact that Reagan's scan result couldn't really be trusted anyhow on account of the conversion.

So I think the only person it makes sense to save Lincoln's rez for is Teddy (especially since Teddy is immune to the conversion, so would be the only person who could be literally trusted post-rez). Of course, even that would require our protector to reveal himself (again, so Lincoln could know who to rez). I suppose this would at least allow Teddy to use his shot (which reveals himself). If he doesn't self-protect the night before (and survives) he could take the shot, protect himself that night, and then get rezzed by Lincoln the day after. Of course, if we start this tomorrow (day 3) then Lincoln and Teddy have to survive tonight and Lincoln has to survive tomorrow night. And there's the risk that Teddy comes forward tomorrow to find that Lincoln's already dead.

Looking at all of this, unless I'm getting something wrong, leans me back towards using the bird in the hand rez rather than counting on things not going wrong. But if we/Lincoln do not use the rez today, we might think about the Teddy shot tomorrow.

bb2112 wrote:

bb2112 wrote:

Remus West wrote: If after night 2 We Rez someone
11 players with 2 scans, an outted Lincoln, a rezzed Republican, a Teddy shot, and outted Reagan. That gives us the 6 we need for majority assuming no overlap in the scans and specials. The convert places all of that in limbo but if all three specials live through this next night......

The other thing to consider is that, although we get to our 6, they also have a berserker which will again reduce the numbers so depending on lynch order (or who Teddy shoots) the numbers change.

Looking at that, I remain against the rez today.
.

Very interesting, but this also assumes no overlaps between scans and the dead, as well as the scans and the specials. In a perfect set up your plan makes sense, but there are a lot of chances of overlap. I still agree about no Rez today as long as Lincoln feels reasonably sure he is hidden well enough that he thinks he can survive the night. As far as our seer revealing himself and his scans, that would be up to him, and one would hope he has a bad guy or no overlaps when he does. In my perfect world, as long as Lincoln is still flying under the radar, I would like to save his Rez for either Reagan or Teddy.

Here I actually agree with you if the seer has no overlaps. Just pointing out the only potential flaw in the seer coming out tomorrow as you suggested. I state my case and say the seer has the choice to reveal. You take that statement as I don't know the rules? Put down the crack pipe Mr. Evil Fabricator. That is a huge stretch.

Remus West wrote: What the hell do you think I am fabricating? We are the only two posting in the game thread. It isn't like folks are going to need to dig far to find what I'm questioning.

You are fabricating my intent, saying I don't understand the rules, purposely misstating what I have said, and are not asking questions. You just assume you are right and are trying to paint me in your view of the world instead of really trying to see what I am saying. In other words, Evil Fabricating Remus.

Ugh, you guys and your interlocking quotes make it very difficult for me to quote this correctly.

Anyhow, bb I think Remus was inferring you not knowing the scanner rules (that Reagan gets told roles), because him knowing that means he knows of any overlap before he makes the decision to reveal himself. Obviously Reagan (and everyone else) knows who is already dead. He would also know if his scans have any overlap with the special because if he scanned any special they would come back as special. Presumably if there's overlap then Reagan does not come out.

The only overlap that Reagan would not know is whether one of his first two scans have been converted since he scanned them.

Of course, the overlap potential does mean that we can't *count* on this plan working. Maybe Reagan winds up unconverted, alive, and with no scanning overlap tomorrow, and reveals himself. Or maybe day 3 gets going and Reagan is nowhere to be found, and we don't know why.

 withdraw bb2112
RMC 
 


Not really sure what to make of bb at this point, but I feel better about RMC at the moment than bb. BB reads like he's genuinely trying to find wolves, while RMC's votes seem more artificially justified and, well, like he's not really trying to find wolves.

Remus West wrote:
Also, I do not feel RMC is trending Evil right now.

To that end, I would be interested in why you feel that way.

El Guapo wrote:

Remus West wrote:
Also, I do not feel RMC is trending Evil right now.

To that end, I would be interested in why you feel that way.

Awww... I am hurt about me not trying to find wolves. There isn't enough postings to really find anyone, and I like to vote for the Detroit crew.

El Guapo wrote:

Remus West wrote:
Also, I do not feel RMC is trending Evil right now.

To that end, I would be interested in why you feel that way.

Because I felt people were saying he was trending evil due to his vote on me. I read his votes on me as more of a step to his default setting than anything else. In and of itself it means nothing to me so I did not view him trending one way or the other.

 Remus West 
 


I agree with bb2112.

Oh hey, I forgot that theohall was in this game.