Elon Musk

[Max Peck]

Leon is no Bond villain. He's more of a Dr. Claw -- but, sadly, we have no Inspector Gadget to foil his schemes.

[Kurth]

I wonder when the split between Trump and Musk will come. How much longer can Trump stomach Musk getting all the attention and being treated as the most powerful player in Washington?

That depends on how much Trump dirt he can dig up as he goes through the entirety of the US government data. If he gets the right files before that happens, Musk will be in charge.

Hold up: What “dirt” do you think would be sufficient to create real leverage over Trump?

I mean, are we going to find out that he’s secretly a convicted felon tied to activity involving paying off a porn star? Or did he associate with known sex traffickers behind closed doors? Or, in a secret double-life, was he found liable for sexual assault himself, and are there tapes out there recording him bragging about grabbing women in the pussy? Did he have an affair? Was he forced into bankruptcy multiple times?

I mean, seriously, what “dirt” could have an impact on Donald Trump? I really can’t think of anything.

[stessier]

And thus we have the mythical defamation proof client.

[LawBeefaroni]

I wonder when the split between Trump and Musk will come. How much longer can Trump stomach Musk getting all the attention and being treated as the most powerful player in Washington?

That depends on how much Trump dirt he can dig up as he goes through the entirety of the US government data. If he gets the right files before that happens, Musk will be in charge.

Hold up: What “dirt” do you think would be sufficient to create real leverage over Trump?

I mean, are we going to find out that he’s secretly a convicted felon tied to activity involving paying off a porn star? Or did he associate with known sex traffickers behind closed doors? Or, in a secret double-life, was he found liable for sexual assault himself, and are there tapes out there recording him bragging about grabbing women in the pussy? Did he have an affair? Was he forced into bankruptcy multiple times?

I mean, seriously, what “dirt” could have an impact on Donald Trump? I really can’t think of anything.

Tax returns?


Also, raping little kids or something. You know, all the Qanon projection sbit.

But I agree, Musk doesn't need leverage on Trump. Trump is already inhis debt over a quarter bullion dollars.. He prpbably does want leverage on everyone else. And I'm not convinced he hasn't already been working that angle over the years while he avoided any number of regulatory agencies despite clear non compliance.

[hepcat]

Trump is never "in debt". Ask the dozens of contractors he's stiffed over the decades he was in real estate

[LawBeefaroni]

Trump is never "in debt". Ask the dozens of contractors he's stiffed over the decades he was in real estate

The little guys he buried with lawyers until they went away. The big guys he made whole by conning new backers.

Musk is a different story and we're seeing Trump fold to him. Is it the $300B? Something else? Not sure.

[Smoove_B]

And I'm not convinced he hasn't already been working that angle over the years while he avoided any number of regulatory agencies despite clear non compliance.

The USDA was looking into Neurolink. They head was fired after Trump was sworn in and ultimlately forcibly removed after refusing to leave.

FAA had fined SpaceX and I think was looking at more action. The head of the FAA resigned shortly before Trump was sworn in, presumably knowing what was coming.

USAID provided Starlink terminals to Ukraine in 2022, but there were some questions about the terminal's security and USAID was conducting an investigation. Well, they were, until Musk targeted them specifically earlier this week.

I have no doubts Musk is absolutely orchestrating revenge.

[Exodor]

I can't remember in which thread we were going off about Teslas yesterday and I'm too lazy to check them all. At the rate things are moving the discussion is probably already a page or two back anyway, so I'll just pick up that sidetrack again here: Teslas turn toxic as sales crash in Europe

In the US, Tesla sales are down by double-digits in CA, by far the largest EV market.

I'm shocked the Tesla shareholders aren't raising a bigger stink about Musk being so preoccupied and taking so many Tesla execs over to Twitter and DOGE but I guess as long as the stock price remains high they'll tolerate his antics.

What I truly don't understand is why the stock price remains so high in the first place.

[Isgrimnur]

There’s finally some Tesla (TSLA) shareholder momentum to fire Elon Musk

Currently, the most popular post on the Tesla Investor Club on Reddit, one of the biggest Tesla shareholder communities, is about removing Musk as CEO of Tesla, and there have been a few of these types of posts getting traction over the last few weeks.

The post focused on Tesla’s lack of new models other than the Cybertruck in the last 5 years and the lack of growth in delivery volumes despite the rest of the EV market growing.

It also makes the argument that Musk is not following his own guiding principles when it comes to work dedication
...
While many Tesla shareholders agreed with the post, the main objection was that “the stock is up, why mess with something that works?”

This is indeed a problem for Tesla fans who want to see Musk go. With the board not doing anything, it would come down to shareholders voting the board out and forcing a confidence vote on Musk.

Shareholders are afraid that pushing Musk out would result in him selling his stock and triggering a big correction in Tesla’s stock.

[Zaxxon]

I'm shocked the Tesla shareholders aren't raising a bigger stink about Musk being so preoccupied and taking so many Tesla execs over to Twitter and DOGE but I guess as long as the stock price remains high they'll tolerate his antics.

As a general rule, suspend disbelief whenever viewing the actions of Tesla stockholders as it relates to the actions of Musk. Isg's article aside, I will be shocked--SHOCKED--if Musk is ever ousted (or even significantly limited) by the actions of Tesla stockholders.

I say this as one of those, who has voted against Musk multiple times and been wildly defeated every time.

[LawBeefaroni]

I'm shocked the Tesla shareholders aren't raising a bigger stink about Musk being so preoccupied and taking so many Tesla execs over to Twitter and DOGE but I guess as long as the stock price remains high they'll tolerate his antics.

As a general rule, suspend disbelief whenever viewing the actions of Tesla stockholders as it relates to the actions of Musk. Isg's article aside, I will be shocked--SHOCKED--if Musk is ever ousted (or even significantly limited) by the actions of Tesla stockholders.

I say this as one of those, who has voted against Musk multiple times and been wildly defeated every time.

It's because institutions own over half of the float. Musk and his brother own and additional what, 14% of all shares? Unless institutions turn on Elon, he will always have a majority of the votes.

[Max Peck]

Hmmm... I wonder if he'll feel conflicted?

The White House said Elon Musk will determine if there are conflicts of interest between his work reviewing federal spending and his overlapping empire of six companies

[Isgrimnur]

We have investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong.