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Blackhawk wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:54 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:29 pm I wonder when the split between Trump and Musk will come. How much longer can Trump stomach Musk getting all the attention and being treated as the most powerful player in Washington?

That depends on how much Trump dirt he can dig up as he goes through the entirety of the US government data. If he gets the right files before that happens, Musk will be in charge.

Kurth wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:13 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:54 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:29 pm I wonder when the split between Trump and Musk will come. How much longer can Trump stomach Musk getting all the attention and being treated as the most powerful player in Washington?

That depends on how much Trump dirt he can dig up as he goes through the entirety of the US government data. If he gets the right files before that happens, Musk will be in charge.

Hold up: What “dirt” do you think would be sufficient to create real leverage over Trump?

I mean, are we going to find out that he’s secretly a convicted felon tied to activity involving paying off a porn star? Or did he associate with known sex traffickers behind closed doors? Or, in a secret double-life, was he found liable for sexual assault himself, and are there tapes out there recording him bragging about grabbing women in the pussy? Did he have an affair? Was he forced into bankruptcy multiple times?

I mean, seriously, what “dirt” could have an impact on Donald Trump? I really can’t think of anything.

hepcat wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:26 pm Trump is never "in debt". Ask the dozens of contractors he's stiffed over the decades he was in real estate

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:21 pm And I'm not convinced he hasn't already been working that angle over the years while he avoided any number of regulatory agencies despite clear non compliance.

Kraken wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:23 am I can't remember in which thread we were going off about Teslas yesterday and I'm too lazy to check them all. At the rate things are moving the discussion is probably already a page or two back anyway, so I'll just pick up that sidetrack again here: Teslas turn toxic as sales crash in Europe

In the US, Tesla sales are down by double-digits in CA, by far the largest EV market.

Currently, the most popular post on the Tesla Investor Club on Reddit, one of the biggest Tesla shareholder communities, is about removing Musk as CEO of Tesla, and there have been a few of these types of posts getting traction over the last few weeks.

The post focused on Tesla’s lack of new models other than the Cybertruck in the last 5 years and the lack of growth in delivery volumes despite the rest of the EV market growing.

It also makes the argument that Musk is not following his own guiding principles when it comes to work dedication
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While many Tesla shareholders agreed with the post, the main objection was that “the stock is up, why mess with something that works?”

This is indeed a problem for Tesla fans who want to see Musk go. With the board not doing anything, it would come down to shareholders voting the board out and forcing a confidence vote on Musk.

Shareholders are afraid that pushing Musk out would result in him selling his stock and triggering a big correction in Tesla’s stock.

Exodor wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:42 pmI'm shocked the Tesla shareholders aren't raising a bigger stink about Musk being so preoccupied and taking so many Tesla execs over to Twitter and DOGE but I guess as long as the stock price remains high they'll tolerate his antics.

Zaxxon wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 3:00 pm

Exodor wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:42 pmI'm shocked the Tesla shareholders aren't raising a bigger stink about Musk being so preoccupied and taking so many Tesla execs over to Twitter and DOGE but I guess as long as the stock price remains high they'll tolerate his antics.

As a general rule, suspend disbelief whenever viewing the actions of Tesla stockholders as it relates to the actions of Musk. Isg's article aside, I will be shocked--SHOCKED--if Musk is ever ousted (or even significantly limited) by the actions of Tesla stockholders.

I say this as one of those, who has voted against Musk multiple times and been wildly defeated every time.

bloomberg.com wrote:The White House said Elon Musk will determine if there are conflicts of interest between his work reviewing federal spending and his overlapping empire of six companies

We have investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong.