Re: The Trump Investigation Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:52 pm
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
I wonder why he'd try to do that?A top lawyer for President Trump this year sought to help pay legal fees for Paul Manafort and Richard Gates, initially trying to divert money from the White House legal defense fund and later soliciting donors and pledging $25,000 of his own.
In both cases, the president’s advisers objected to the lawyer’s actions over concerns it could appear aimed at stopping the two former aides from cooperating with investigators
Holy hell, Trump is going to fire Rosenstein now, isn't he? It's quite possible the WH may have leaked this as pretext, or at least to change the news cycle.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:57 pm Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Record Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment
It's unwieldy but I think correct. He suggested he should do it, not that he did do it.
A lot of the wording in there also makes me think it's an attempt to give them grounds to dismiss Rosenstein. Drumpf is getting visibly more desperate as time goes on, so I expect it's just a matter of time before they do something stupid.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:06 pmHoly hell, Trump is going to fire Rosenstein now, isn't he? It's quite possible the WH may have leaked this as pretext, or at least to change the news cycle.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:57 pm Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Record Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment
Except in the same sentence with the (should be) same tense there's "discussed the 25th amendment". If "record" is correct, and it absolutely could be, then it should be "discuss" not "discussed". Also, "25th Amendment" should have a "the" in front of it, pretty sure. Either it was dropped because of headline succinctitude or because the author just isn't that good at grammarifying.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:16 pm
It's unwieldy but I think correct. He suggested he should do it, not that he did do it.
He suggested (past tense) that he record Trump. At the same time, he discussed (past tense) 25th Amendment strategies. They're both past tense. Makes for a weird sounding sentence but there's nothing grammatically fatal there.GreenGoo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:21 pmExcept in the same sentence with the (should be) same tense there's "discussed the 25th amendment". If "record" is correct, and it absolutely could be, then it should be "discuss" not "discussed". Also, "25th Amendment" should have a "the" in front of it, pretty sure. Either it was dropped because of headline succinctitude or because the author just isn't that good at grammarifying.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:16 pm
It's unwieldy but I think correct. He suggested he should do it, not that he did do it.
Of course I don't actually know all the grammar rules, I just used to read a lot. I know French grammar better than English grammar, and I don't know French grammar.
I'm sure the President will fully grasp this distinction and incorporate it into his measured response.
Yeah, that's a pretty major fuckup.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm If the Post interpretation is correct, the NYT really looks stupid and may be on the hook for what's to come.
Not a good look for the NYT, especially on the heels of the stupid "anonymous insider" stunt.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:40 pmYeah, that's a pretty major fuckup.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm If the Post interpretation is correct, the NYT really looks stupid and may be on the hook for what's to come.
There will be blood after the midterms. Sessions will be gone, then Rosenstein, and then Mueller. Kelly will quit. That's just for starters. I won't be surprised if half of the WH staff turns over, voluntarily or not. We'll have to learn the names of a whole new hive of scum and villains.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:06 pmHoly hell, Trump is going to fire Rosenstein now, isn't he? It's quite possible the WH may have leaked this as pretext, or at least to change the news cycle.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:57 pm Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Record Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment
In any case, this seems... ominous.
It depends on the midterm outcomes. If the GOP holds both chambers...then yeah, Saturday Night Massacre time (only with a different ending). If the Democrats get at least one chamber....then it gets more complicated.Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:14 pmThere will be blood after the midterms. Sessions will be gone, then Rosenstein, and then Mueller. Kelly will quit. That's just for starters. I won't be surprised if half of the WH staff turns over, voluntarily or not. We'll have to learn the names of a whole new hive of scum and villains.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:06 pmHoly hell, Trump is going to fire Rosenstein now, isn't he? It's quite possible the WH may have leaked this as pretext, or at least to change the news cycle.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:57 pm Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Record Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment
In any case, this seems... ominous.
Although it sounds like McCabe's own notes mention Rosenstein's "wire" and 25th Amendment comments, without noting any sarcasm. So I can see how people only reading those notes wouldn't be able to tell that Rosenstein meant them as jokes.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:40 pmYeah, that's a pretty major fuckup.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm If the Post interpretation is correct, the NYT really looks stupid and may be on the hook for what's to come.
Just to be an English teacher (and I know we've moved on):
Seems like rolling with such a potentially incendiary and consequential article would require better sourcing than just second-hand reading of notes.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:45 pmAlthough it sounds like McCabe's own notes mention Rosenstein's "wire" and 25th Amendment comments, without noting any sarcasm. So I can see how people only reading those notes wouldn't be able to tell that Rosenstein meant them as jokes.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:40 pmYeah, that's a pretty major fuckup.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm If the Post interpretation is correct, the NYT really looks stupid and may be on the hook for what's to come.
But they're always so careful.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:12 pmSeems like rolling with such a potentially incendiary and consequential article would require better sourcing than just second-hand reading of notes.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:45 pmAlthough it sounds like McCabe's own notes mention Rosenstein's "wire" and 25th Amendment comments, without noting any sarcasm. So I can see how people only reading those notes wouldn't be able to tell that Rosenstein meant them as jokes.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:40 pmYeah, that's a pretty major fuckup.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm If the Post interpretation is correct, the NYT really looks stupid and may be on the hook for what's to come.
Winning the House opens an investigatory door but it alone won't stop Trump from pretty much getting whoever he wants confirmed. At least for a year until elections approach again.El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:33 pmIt depends on the midterm outcomes. If the GOP holds both chambers...then yeah, Saturday Night Massacre time (only with a different ending). If the Democrats get at least one chamber....then it gets more complicated.Kraken wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:14 pmThere will be blood after the midterms. Sessions will be gone, then Rosenstein, and then Mueller. Kelly will quit. That's just for starters. I won't be surprised if half of the WH staff turns over, voluntarily or not. We'll have to learn the names of a whole new hive of scum and villains.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:06 pmHoly hell, Trump is going to fire Rosenstein now, isn't he? It's quite possible the WH may have leaked this as pretext, or at least to change the news cycle.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:57 pm Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Record Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment
In any case, this seems... ominous.
And even a corrupt WH is a strong career move.
One wonders how it feels when your reporting is so bad that Fox News is showing you up...Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:12 pmSeems like rolling with such a potentially incendiary and consequential article would require better sourcing than just second-hand reading of notes.Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:45 pmAlthough it sounds like McCabe's own notes mention Rosenstein's "wire" and 25th Amendment comments, without noting any sarcasm. So I can see how people only reading those notes wouldn't be able to tell that Rosenstein meant them as jokes.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:40 pmYeah, that's a pretty major fuckup.Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm If the Post interpretation is correct, the NYT really looks stupid and may be on the hook for what's to come.
NBC's Pete Williams, gold standard in #DOJ reporting, says #Rosenstein en route to White House, won't resign and will force them to fire him. As I am told, Vacancies Act only kicks in if he resigns.
AP is confirming this:
Matcher from @AP: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has verbally resigned to Chief of Staff John Kelly in anticipation of being fired by President Trump.