Formix wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:28 am
We now have our first positive case of a staff member at the medical facility where I work. This is despite being a trained medical professional who always (reportedly) followed correct PPE procedures. I can't decide if this will make the folks I work with who are skeptical of the whole COVID hysteria more likely to take it seriously, or less. Because if they followed procedures and still got it, what good does the following of procedures do?
How many COVID+ patients have been through the facility? We've had hundreds, maybe thousands?, and over 200 who have gone through the ICU. We have had a lot of positive staff cases and 2 staff deaths. And that's with top notch protocols. I can't imagine it without PPE.
If you've seen a lot of positive patients and this is the first staff member, I'd say that that alone is evidence that PPE works.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
There's no PPE that's 100% effective. In terms of occupational safety and health, that's why PPE is considered the control of last resort. Engineering and Administrative controls should be in place and if for some reason both of those fail, PPE can offer last-chance protections. If you ask an employer how they're helping to keep you safe at work and they can only say "by giving you a mask", that's a red flag.
My work had to put out a clarifying statement because one of our state representatives ran a misleading ad stating that there was an "outbreak" of Covid among staff at our hospital and implied it was due to inadequate PPE.
In actuality, our infected clinical staff rate has been under half a percent, and we've had sufficient PPE since the start of the pandemic. When shown the numbers he backpedaled and said he was just trying to "prove a point" about potential lack of PPE in hospitals statewide. Thanks for proving your point with numbers you pulled out of your ass, dickhead.
A choir of more than 100 people performed without masks at a robustly attended event in Texas at the First Baptist Church on Sunday that featured a speech by Vice President Mike Pence.
Nearly 2,200 people attended the "Celebrate Freedom Rally," in the Lone Star State, according to rally organizers, which has seen a severe surge in coronavirus cases since easing restrictions. The venue capacity for the indoor event was close to 3,000 attendees, organizers say.
Remember - religious choirs where identified early on as high-risk (broadly), then advised against by the CDC, then quickly removed from the warning in late May after the White House said to change it.
Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:28 pm
EDIT: And just so no one thinks I'm picking on any state, this was a NJ shore bar last night:
With bars opening in Michigan concurrent with churches I'm terrified for my parents. Mom was faithfully back at church today and likely will go throughout the week and times to come, as she has been kept away for nearly four months.
This comes as they are very open with contact tracing how quick and easy the spread was from Harper's (over 60 miles away) right back down to Wayne county.
Formix wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:28 am
We now have our first positive case of a staff member at the medical facility where I work. This is despite being a trained medical professional who always (reportedly) followed correct PPE procedures. I can't decide if this will make the folks I work with who are skeptical of the whole COVID hysteria more likely to take it seriously, or less. Because if they followed procedures and still got it, what good does the following of procedures do?
How many COVID+ patients have been through the facility? We've had hundreds, maybe thousands?, and over 200 who have gone through the ICU. We have had a lot of positive staff cases and 2 staff deaths. And that's with top notch protocols. I can't imagine it without PPE.
If you've seen a lot of positive patients and this is the first staff member, I'd say that that alone is evidence that PPE works.
We’ve only had 29 cases that tested positive, so not a lot of cases at all. I would also like to think my coworkers were more factually based than that, but I’m coming to believe that as a society, Americans are just too dumb to survive “2020 The Reaping”. Went to the grocery store today and probably 50% weren’t wearing masks despite Governor Coopers mandatory mask rule.
Philadelphia went from red to yellow earlier this month, but an uptick in cases means the city is now mandating masks again rather than just recommending them (although apparently police are not expected to enforce the rule, so... shrug?).
I'll be going to the grocery tomorrow for our weekly shop. The store "requires" masks but has (for the last couple of weeks) been a little lax about enforcement. We'll see what it looks like now.
Officials in Dallas County Saturday reported 561 new cases of COVID-19 -- the county's highest single-day total since the start of the pandemic -- and seven more coronavirus-related deaths.
The number of new cases is 65 more than Dallas County's previous high of 496, reported Friday, and is the highest single-day case count reported by any North Texas county. Tarrant County reported 517 cases Thursday.
Tarrant County reported its 225th death related to the coronavirus and 393 additional cases Sunday.
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The county has reported a total of 11,476 cases, 225 deaths and 5,042 recoveries.
Texas Medical Center hospitals have stopped reporting key metrics showing the stress rising numbers of COVID-19 patients are placing on their facilities, undermining data that policy makers and the public have relied upon during the pandemic to gauge the spread of the coronavirus.
The change came one day after the hospitals reported their base intensive care capacity had hit 100 percent for the first time during the pandemic, with projections showing the institutions — which together comprise the world’s largest medical complex — were on pace to exceed their “unsustainable surge capacity” by July 6.
It also followed discussions between Gov. Greg Abbott and hospital executives in which the governor expressed displeasure with negative headlines about ICU capacity, sources familiar with the talks said.
I don't know. When NJ hospitals were at capacity and patients were being diverted there was never a public disclosure as to what hospitals were overwhelmed. My understanding was that it was a voluntary agreement between the hospital systems and the state as to not cause panic, but that the hospitals would still be telling OEM their overall status (to assist in resource coordination and to help 911 services adequately divert).
Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:44 pm
My understanding was that it was a voluntary agreement between the hospital systems and the state as to not cause panic
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
If people are losing their minds now, wait until mid-July.
If you're young, can you be a "Karen?" I thought it was a generational epithet.
Also, most of that food thrown on the floor has to be thrown out. That should be a misdemeanor.
I was the grocery yesterday. This woman and her teenage kids came the wrong way down an aisle and I gave a sigh as I had to dodge and weave around them. One of the kids, trailing behind, said, "Sorry!" The mom looked back and realised what was going on and then also apologized, earnestly. I was happily surprised and heartened.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
My BIL in FL said he went grocery shopping today and fully half the people were wearing masks. If that's considered progress down there, FL has a ways to go yet.
Side note: This “Karen” shit can’t end fast enough for me. Sure people should be reprimanded for being assholes, but this crap goes too far sometimes. This one in particular. I had to stop watching after a few seconds of her wailing in abject terror. Turns out the jack hole who tormented her has a history of trying to drum up internet fame through this kind of crap.
I really hate what social media does to some. And by some, I meant most.
Washington, DC(CNN) - President Donald Trump's campaign directed the removal of thousands of "Do Not Sit Here, Please!" stickers from seats in the Bank of Oklahoma Center in the hours before the President's much anticipated Tulsa rally, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
As part of the BOK Center's safety plan for the June 20 rally, arena management had purchased 12,000 do-not-sit stickers with the intention of keeping people apart by leaving open seats between attendees, according to the Post.
Then on the day of the rally, when event staff had already placed the stickers on nearly every other seat in the 19,000-seat arena, the Trump campaign told event management to stop and then began removing the stickers, according to a person familiar with the event who spoke to the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:30 pm
Not to worry, the place will be deserted during the rally.
This is the rally that already happened in Tulsa. Where they packed the stands behind the podium and in parts of the lower bowl while whole sections elsewhere sat empty. They had plenty of space to fit everyone in with adequate spacing and the venue had a plan. Instead, the campaign overrode the safety precautions and intentionally put lives in jeopardy.
They put lives of the public in real and significant danger to make the stupid rally look better on TV.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
malchior wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:52 pm
Any updates based on this pandemic? A collection of the best bloopers? 'Oops NJ killed 12% of nursing home patients. Talk about egg on your face!?!' *Cue price is right tuba*
As a former EMT in nj I wouldn’t be surprised if that was close to the death rate pre-covid. The vast majority of my professional visits have been negative.
Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:30 pm
Not to worry, the place will be deserted during the rally.
This is the rally that already happened in Tulsa. Where they packed the stands behind the podium and in parts of the lower bowl while whole sections elsewhere sat empty. They had plenty of space to fit everyone in with adequate spacing and the venue had a plan. Instead, the campaign overrode the safety precautions and intentionally put lives in jeopardy.
They put lives of the public in real and significant danger to make the stupid rally look better on TV.
The funny thing is it probably would have looked less empty if they'd done the distancing.
Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Republican, has attended recent House sessions without using a face mask, despite guidance issued last week by a congressional physician requiring that masks be worn during any committee hearings.
"I don't have the coronavirus, turns out as of yesterday I've never had it," Gohmert said about his reasoning for not wearing a mask.
Gohmert, 66, was seen at the Capitol Friday by CNN chatting at a "close distance" with Georgia Congressman Barry Loudermilk, also a Republican.
The Texas lawmaker insisted that he is routinely tested for the virus, which has killed nearly 125,000 people in the U.S. since February, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Unless he does test positive for the virus one day, Gohmert said he will continue not wearing a mask.
This all reminds me of the book I read where the aliens infect everyone on Earth with a parasite that is 100% deadly to those that don't take routine medial precautions around the resulting sore (read: iodine, bandage) because they want to kill off all the idiots before they enslave us.
Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Republican, has attended recent House sessions without using a face mask, despite guidance issued last week by a congressional physician requiring that masks be worn during any committee hearings.
"I don't have the coronavirus, turns out as of yesterday I've never had it," Gohmert said about his reasoning for not wearing a mask.
Gohmert, 66, was seen at the Capitol Friday by CNN chatting at a "close distance" with Georgia Congressman Barry Loudermilk, also a Republican.
The Texas lawmaker insisted that he is routinely tested for the virus, which has killed nearly 125,000 people in the U.S. since February, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Unless he does test positive for the virus one day, Gohmert said he will continue not wearing a mask.
At his age he is at risk for getting it and never having to wear anything ever again. He wants to close the barn door after the horse has gone out.
At least he'll be trying to protect others if he starts wearing a mask after being infected.
Also it must be nice to be able to be tested regularly. Is testing that available now? If it is, then I guess that is good supporting evidence for easing restrictions.
Typical course.of treatment is 5 vials over 5 days.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
The nation's pediatricians have come out with a strong statement in favor of bringing children back to the classroom this fall wherever and whenever they can do so safely. The American Academy of Pediatrics' guidance "strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school."
The guidance says "schools are fundamental to child and adolescent development and well-being."
The AAP cites "mounting evidence" that transmission of the coronavirus by young children is uncommon, partly because they are less likely to contract it in the first place.
Broadly, I agree. I do think having schools open is likely an important goal. But as it has become increasingly popular to observe, we need to collectively decide *right now* what is more important? Having bars, restaurants and other indoor facilities open now or schools open in the Fall? Because I think there's strong evidence to suggest the decisions we're making today are absolutely going to affect the choices we're collectively going to be making in August.
And this is still a big issue:
However, these guidelines don't necessarily address the health concerns of America's teachers or their willingness to return to in-person teaching. Federal data show nearly a third of teachers are over 50, putting them in a higher risk category when it comes to the disease.
The nation's pediatricians have come out with a strong statement in favor of bringing children back to the classroom this fall wherever and whenever they can do so safely. The American Academy of Pediatrics' guidance "strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school."
The guidance says "schools are fundamental to child and adolescent development and well-being."
The AAP cites "mounting evidence" that transmission of the coronavirus by young children is uncommon, partly because they are less likely to contract it in the first place.
Broadly, I agree. I do think having schools open is likely an important goal. But as it has become increasingly popular to observe, we need to collectively decide *right now* what is more important? Having bars, restaurants and other indoor facilities open now or schools open in the Fall? Because I think there's strong evidence to suggest the decisions we're making today are absolutely going to affect the choices we're collectively going to be making in August.
And this is still a big issue:
However, these guidelines don't necessarily address the health concerns of America's teachers or their willingness to return to in-person teaching. Federal data show nearly a third of teachers are over 50, putting them in a higher risk category when it comes to the disease.
Yeah, that seems like a massive, massive caveat at the end. "Oh yeah, the *teachers* are at risk of getting sick and dying, so presumably some percentage of them are going to decline to come back to work."
This also seems like a productive area to address via stimulus. Give schools (public and private) a ton of money to spend on protective gear as well as on any building / classroom modifications that can be done to increase safety, and to spend on hiring teachers and paraprofessionals, both to help with any vacancies among teachers who don't want to come back and to reduce classroom sizes.
El Guapo wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:13 pm
This also seems like a productive area to address via stimulus. Give schools (public and private) a ton of money to spend on protective gear as well as on any building / classroom modifications that can be done to increase safety, and to spend on hiring teachers and paraprofessionals, both to help with any vacancies among teachers who don't want to come back and to reduce classroom sizes.
And also to help the teachers who don't want to come back themselves. There are going to be a lot of people making hard decisions and it's not fair that they are just thrown to the wind.
The nation's pediatricians have come out with a strong statement in favor of bringing children back to the classroom this fall wherever and whenever they can do so safely. The American Academy of Pediatrics' guidance "strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school."
The guidance says "schools are fundamental to child and adolescent development and well-being."
The AAP cites "mounting evidence" that transmission of the coronavirus by young children is uncommon, partly because they are less likely to contract it in the first place.
Broadly, I agree. I do think having schools open is likely an important goal. But as it has become increasingly popular to observe, we need to collectively decide *right now* what is more important? Having bars, restaurants and other indoor facilities open now or schools open in the Fall? Because I think there's strong evidence to suggest the decisions we're making today are absolutely going to affect the choices we're collectively going to be making in August.
And this is still a big issue:
However, these guidelines don't necessarily address the health concerns of America's teachers or their willingness to return to in-person teaching. Federal data show nearly a third of teachers are over 50, putting them in a higher risk category when it comes to the disease.
Just keep either me or their parents at home for the first month.
Our county is set to announce their plans on Monday, July 6th. They've already announced that there will be a dedicated e-learning program for anyone who wants that option that will include hours of zoom-to-zoom instruction each day. As soon as I saw that, I wanted to sign up for it but my wife wants to wait to hear what the other options are. I just don't see how it will work given we will have to use a bus and they've already stated the kids will have to wear masks because even at 50% classroom capacity, they can't social distance enough.
But it all might be moot as the counties are supposed to base their policies on the department of health's classification of the outbreak in each area. So if my county is in the High category, face-to-face learning is not supposed to be permitted. We've had the #1 or #2 number of cases in the state every day for a month, and I still see most people without masks when out and about, so I can't see that improving before mid-August when classes start. People are going to lose the option and then they'll really go ballistic.
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:07 pmI do think having schools open is likely an important goal.
In response to the corona virus, schools closing, and teachers seeming to be absolutely unable to cope remotely and leaning way too heavily on parents that already have full time jobs, we've been researching homeschooling. Classes designed to be taught by one person, not a parent acting as an intermediary to 6 different teachers with 6 different agendas and 6 different schedules multiplied by two children. This should serve as both a way for my wife to maintain her sanity and keep the kids safe come fall. If our local schools do opt to open, there's a chance our kids just won't be attending.
True to the title of the thread, I honestly don't see the US regaining it's footing until maybe sometime in the mid-2021, after a vaccine has been found and is in wide use. I'm planning for the marathon. In the US, we're just going to keep yo-yo'ing because people just can't help themselves.
Black Lives Matter
2021-01-20: The first good night's sleep I had in 4 years.
2025-01-20: The nightmares continue.
stessier wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:16 pmAnd also to help the teachers who don't want to come back themselves. There are going to be a lot of people making hard decisions and it's not fair that they are just thrown to the wind.
I can say from my "pracademic" bleacher seats, this is going to be a HUGE issue for colleges and universities as their teaching staff average age is even higher. The Spring shift to fully online instruction really revealed the general resistance to the idea and I have no doubt that resistance was both philosophical and technological - most likely related to the age of instructors.
BREAKING: The city of Jacksonville, Fla., host of RNC Convention in August, has just announced that masks will be mandatory indoors and in public places where social distancing is not possible.
BREAKING: The city of Jacksonville, Fla., host of RNC Convention in August, has just announced that masks will be mandatory indoors and in public places where social distancing is not possible.
I'm guessing 50/50 odds that the President will still go there and be unmasked and dare the government to do something about it.
In an about-face, Arizona's Gov. Doug Ducey has ordered the states bars, gyms, movie theaters and water parks to shut down for at least 30 days amid thousands of new coronavirus cases in the state.
Ducey issued the order Monday to go into effect from 8 p.m. local time, citing concern over a recent spike in new cases – including a one-day record of more than 3,800 in the state on Sunday. It was the seventh time in the past ten days that new cases in Arizona exceeded 3,000. He also ordered public schools to delay the start of classes until Aug. 17.
Good luck AZ. I speak from experience when I say that next month for you all is going to suck.
Fretmute wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:33 am
This all reminds me of the book I read where the aliens infect everyone on Earth with a parasite that is 100% deadly to those that don't take routine medial precautions around the resulting sore (read: iodine, bandage) because they want to kill off all the idiots before they enslave us.
If you figure out the name of this book please pm me.
I really wish ppe was 100% effective, even a mask and the virus was 100% effective for non ppe Then we could just let Darwin sort through the idiots/selfish people.
I’m just getting tired of all the crap that is going on now. I always knew there were selfish people in the country but I never though there would be as many as I’ve been seeing through all this. This is a perfect example of when we should be coming together as a country and yes, “limiting our freedoms” (which I still refuse to agree that wearing a simple is limiting our freedoms. Yes the stay at home technically are but don’t be a dick) for the best of everyone temporarily.
