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Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:34 am
by Rip
hepcat wrote:sigh...My hardcore right, Trump supporting coworker has taken to sending me weekly emails about American made IT products we should be using. Today he sent me an exclamation filled email about why we should switch to PC Matic for our antivirus solution. Long story short, they bill themselves first and foremost as the American made antivirus solution.

I'm evaluating laptops for the next fleet rollover and when he found out I was looking at Lenova, he immediately asked why we would even consider a Chinese manufacturer over Dell or "some other American company".

He really does follow the dog whistle.
The only thing "American" in a Dell computer is the handling.

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Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:39 am
by malchior
Smoove_B wrote:Alternative theory: Moore surges in the polls because of his gun antics. This leads Trump to attempt to hip-fire an M60 at his next fundraising rally, but his tiny hands and lack of upper body strength lead him to accidentally mow down a row of Trumpaloos.
Mortoned.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:46 am
by hepcat
Rip wrote:
hepcat wrote:sigh...My hardcore right, Trump supporting coworker has taken to sending me weekly emails about American made IT products we should be using. Today he sent me an exclamation filled email about why we should switch to PC Matic for our antivirus solution. Long story short, they bill themselves first and foremost as the American made antivirus solution.

I'm evaluating laptops for the next fleet rollover and when he found out I was looking at Lenova, he immediately asked why we would even consider a Chinese manufacturer over Dell or "some other American company".

He really does follow the dog whistle.
The only thing "American" in a Dell computer is the handling.
It does go to show that Trump supporters don't really like to research things very much. They just follow what their leader says, or what the people on that television box tells 'em.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:48 am
by El Guapo
hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:
hepcat wrote:sigh...My hardcore right, Trump supporting coworker has taken to sending me weekly emails about American made IT products we should be using. Today he sent me an exclamation filled email about why we should switch to PC Matic for our antivirus solution. Long story short, they bill themselves first and foremost as the American made antivirus solution.

I'm evaluating laptops for the next fleet rollover and when he found out I was looking at Lenova, he immediately asked why we would even consider a Chinese manufacturer over Dell or "some other American company".

He really does follow the dog whistle.
The only thing "American" in a Dell computer is the handling.
It does go to show that Trump supporters don't really like to research things very much. They just follow what their leader says, or what the people on that television box tells 'em.
Propose buying the most economical option available and then slapping a print of this on the back of each one:

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Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:06 pm
by El Guapo

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:00 pm
by Max Peck
malchior wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:Alternative theory: Moore surges in the polls because of his gun antics. This leads Trump to attempt to hip-fire an M60 at his next fundraising rally, but his tiny hands and lack of upper body strength lead him to accidentally mow down a row of Trumpaloos.
Mortoned.
...while breaking his own hip.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:42 pm
by Holman
I think you broke your link, but did you mean this?
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Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:49 pm
by El Guapo
Yup - thanks.

In other big news, Bob Corker (R-TN) is not seeking re-election. Open seat is good news for democrats (not that it will necessarily be a prime pick up opportunity, but it helps).

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:36 pm
by Captain Caveman
El Guapo wrote:Yup - thanks.

In other big news, Bob Corker (R-TN) is not seeking re-election. Open seat is good news for democrats (not that it will necessarily be a prime pick up opportunity, but it helps).
This part of his statement sure might raise some eyebrows:
I also believe the most important public service I have to offer our country could well occur over the next 15 months, and I want to be able to do that as thoughtfully and independently as I did the first 10 years and nine months of my Senate career.
:think:

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:37 pm
by Max Peck
Captain Caveman wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Yup - thanks.

In other big news, Bob Corker (R-TN) is not seeking re-election. Open seat is good news for democrats (not that it will necessarily be a prime pick up opportunity, but it helps).
This part of his statement sure might raise some eyebrows:
I also believe the most important public service I have to offer our country could well occur over the next 15 months, and I want to be able to do that as thoughtfully and independently as I did the first 10 years and nine months of my Senate career.
:think:
From last month:
Bob Corker is no Donald Trump hater. Which makes what the Tennessee Republican senator said Thursday about the President all the more powerful.

"The President has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful," Corker told reporters following a speech in Chattanooga.

Later, he sounded a similar note: "We should hope that (Trump) aspires that he does some self-reflection, that he does what is necessary to demonstrate stability, to demonstrate competence, to demonstrate that he understands the character of our nation and works daily to bring out the best of the people in our nation."

Stability. Competence. Stability. Competence.

Words matter in politics. Corker, who was the mayor of Chattanooga before being elected to the Senate in 2006, knows that. Which is why his repeated emphasis on Trump's "stability" and "competence" matter.

Corker is clearly hinting at the possibility that Trump is not simply misguided in some of his policies and pronouncements -- but that he may be fundamentally unfit for the office that he currently holds.

Doubt it? Ask yourself what the opposite of stable and competent is. It's unstable and incompetent. Corker doesn't go all the way there but he is absolutely leading people to ask those questions by choosing the words he did.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:15 pm
by Holman
Roy Moore has won the Republican primary runoff in Alabama. News will focus on Trump's loss in that he supported the incumbent appointed to replace AG Jeff Sessions 1,000 years ago.

That's not the story. The real story is Fuck You, Fucking Alabama, Fuck You.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:29 pm
by Captain Caveman
It’s more than a little scary that it’s not only possible to run to the right of Trump, but that it’s apparently a winning position in today’s GOP. Has Trump ever pulled out a handgun at a rally, called for homosexuality to be illegal, or suggest that Muslims should be banned from Congress? Trump is such a RINO.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:41 pm
by geezer
On the bright side, for me at least, for one glorious night Texas isn't the stupidest electorate in the US of A. Party on, my moronic cousins to the east.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:56 pm
by Kelric
And here I can't even deal with reading comment sections on articles or FB posts about athletes kneeling during the anthem. Those people getting so irate are scary, but Moore is scarier. :shock:

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:20 am
by El Guapo
geezer wrote:On the bright side, for me at least, for one glorious night Texas isn't the stupidest electorate in the US of A. Party on, my moronic cousins to the east.
To be fair to Alabama, Moore's opponent was appointed to the Senate seat by a corrupt governor who appointed him in order to stop an investigation into himself. So...he's no spring chicken either.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:31 am
by El Guapo
The other thing I would say is that while it's infuriating that someone like Moore will (probably) be a U.S. Senator in the near future, the actual policy outcome differences between a Senator Moore and a Senator Strange are less than one might think.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:36 am
by gbasden
El Guapo wrote:The other thing I would say is that while it's infuriating that someone like Moore will (probably) be a U.S. Senator in the near future, the actual policy outcome differences between a Senator Moore and a Senator Strange are less than one might think.
Sure, but Senator Moore is one giant turd of an example of idiocracy in action.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:08 am
by Kraken
Captain Caveman wrote:It’s more than a little scary that it’s not only possible to run to the right of Trump, but that it’s apparently a winning position in today’s GOP. Has Trump ever pulled out a handgun at a rally, called for homosexuality to be illegal, or suggest that Muslims should be banned from Congress? Trump is such a RINO.
I came across a twisted opinion piece on USAToday (yeah, I know).
The outcome was never in doubt, and the message Tuesday was even clearer: We want Washington to deliver on President Trump's platform.
...which is totally why Trump campaigned for the other guy.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:06 am
by Rip
Trump has a plan. When the next SCOTUS opens up he puts Moore on the court and has Strange appointed to the seat.

Win-Win......

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:40 am
by Holman
El Guapo wrote:The other thing I would say is that while it's infuriating that someone like Moore will (probably) be a U.S. Senator in the near future, the actual policy outcome differences between a Senator Moore and a Senator Strange are less than one might think.
That's true, but the same could have been said about Trump and, say, Cruz during the 2016 primary.

As we've now seen, though, there really is an effect on the country when one candidate openly stokes the hatreds and reaction that the other only passively exploits.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 am
by malchior
The thing that should really cause us to stop and think is that there is a very real chance that the Republican's are shattering *but* will remain in control of important functions of the government.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:56 am
by El Guapo
Holman wrote:
El Guapo wrote:The other thing I would say is that while it's infuriating that someone like Moore will (probably) be a U.S. Senator in the near future, the actual policy outcome differences between a Senator Moore and a Senator Strange are less than one might think.
That's true, but the same could have been said about Trump and, say, Cruz during the 2016 primary.

As we've now seen, though, there really is an effect on the country when one candidate openly stokes the hatreds and reaction that the other only passively exploits.
It's a pretty different situation because the President holds way more individual authority, and has a vastly bigger individual pulpit, than a given U.S. Senator. Most of what happens in the Senate is shaped by the majority leader, so the biggest thing a given senator does is vote for the majority leader. The main differences are just going to be what Moore would vote yes on vs. what Strange would, which are probably not enormous.

That said, what I worry about is the effect over time of theocrats and tea-partiers winning more Senate seats over time, and reshaping the GOP establishment in a more theocratic / Trumpian direction for an extended period of time.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:08 am
by Holman
Right. But as an Alabamian by upbringing, I see this both on the scale of the state and as what it means nationally down the road.

Moore has been removed from office twice. His career should have ended long ago, but instead he's gaining national stature. There will be others like him, and not just in Alabama.

And now, as the most prominent standard bearer for the Christian Right in DC, he could very well find himself gaining even more influence. Moore is here now because the same thing happened to Jeff Sessions, after all.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:14 am
by El Guapo
Holman wrote:Right. But as an Alabamian by upbringing, I see this both on the scale of the state and as what it means nationally down the road.

Moore has been removed from office twice. His career should have ended long ago, but instead he's gaining national stature. There will be others like him, and not just in Alabama.

And now, as the most prominent standard bearer for the Christian Right in DC, he could very well find himself gaining even more influence. Moore is here now because the same thing happened to Jeff Sessions, after all.
I agree. That's what I worry about here - that Moore's win will be part of a broader trend that brings more people like him into the Senate and the GOP establishment. I'm just saying that the policy differences over Moore's term in terms of voting are not likely to be huge.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:22 am
by Ralph-Wiggum
The email prankster strikes again!
Abbe Lowell, a top Washington lawyer, exchanged emails on Monday with a prankster posing as his client Jared Kushner, at one point telling the prankster he needed to see "all emails" sent and received from a private email account Kushner had set up in December.

On Monday, the prankster wrote to Lowell from the address asking what he should do with "some correspondence on my private email ... featuring adult content."

"Can I remove these?" the prankster asked.

"Forwarded or received from WH officials?" Lowell responded.

"I think one was forwarded from a White House official, we had discussed a shared interest of sorts," the prankster said. "It was unsolicited. Then there are a handful more, but not from officials."

"I need to see I think all emails between you and WH (just for me and us)," Lowell wrote. "We need to send any officials emails to your WH account. Not stuff like you asked about. None of those are going anywhere."

"But we can bury it?" the prankster responded. "I'm so embarrassed. It's fairly specialist stuff, half naked women on a trampoline, standing on legoscenes, the tag for the movie was #standingOnTheLittlePeople :("

Lowell replied: "Don't delete. Don't send to anyone. Let's chat in a bit."
:lol:

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:25 am
by Defiant
Yeah, I agree with El Guapo. Individually, Moore's win isn't quite that scary (as opposed to him getting an executive position or being part of the cabinet or something) and might be a little beneficial even, both in further tarnishing the already tarnished Republican brand, and maybe in being so far to the right he might not vote with the party because they're not "conservative" enough for him (a la Paul).

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:05 am
by Kurth
Any chance his opponent, Doug Jones, may actually win? I know it's Alabama, but this was a primary after all, and we all know the people who tend to vote in primaries are a little off from the main electorate. I'm guessing the answer is, "Not a snowball's chance . . ." But I don't know anything about Jones, so I'm grasping at whatever thin reed there is this morning.

Cause otherwise, this is a really bad way to start the day. "Judge" Moore is just so absolutely reprehensible. Set aside his complete disregard for our most basic founding principles, like separation of church and state, and you still have his virulent and open anti-gay positions. I mean, seriously, check out the passage below from a CNN article regarding an opinion Moore wrote regarding child custody and gay parents while on the Alabama Supreme Court:
"I write specially to state that the homosexual conduct of a parent -- conduct involving a sexual relationship between two persons of the same gender -- creates a strong presumption of unfitness that alone is sufficient justification for denying that parent custody of his or her own children or prohibiting the adoption of the children of others," he said in one of the opinion's more tame passages.
In others, Moore labeled "homosexual conduct" by parents as being "detrimental to the children," writing that it "is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God upon which this nation and our laws are predicated."
Again, I know it's Alabama, but are people really ready to make this guy one of their two representatives in the Senate in a statewide election?

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:22 am
by hepcat
I'm dismayed at how quickly the whole anthem thing is being turned into thinly veiled pleas for a race war by some on the far right. This morning I made the mistake of listening to the Mancow show for a few minutes while on my morning commute just to see what he was saying after I heard him yelling. He literally said that this was Black America trying to destroy White America.

Doesn't matter that there are a whole lot of white folks on the side of those protesting police brutality against minorities, people like that see a threat to their race whenever someone that doesn't look like them raises their voices.

Ah Trump's America. I'm sure glad the "great unifier" is in charge.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:36 am
by Captain Caveman
Kurth wrote:Any chance his opponent, Doug Jones, may actually win? I know it's Alabama, but this was a primary after all, and we all know the people who tend to vote in primaries are a little off from the main electorate. I'm guessing the answer is, "Not a snowball's chance . . ." But I don't know anything about Jones, so I'm grasping at whatever thin reed there is this morning.
It's Alabama. I'm guessing that the Joker with an R by his name would defeat Batman with a D by his.

The only possible silver lining here is that if the Dems have any competence whatsoever (which is always an open question), they'll elevate Moore's profile and make him emblematic of the modern Republican Party, which could prove beneficial elsewhere in the country. You have to think establishment GOPers are dreading the PR nightmare someone like Moore could be.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:47 am
by El Guapo
I think the closest polls to date have shown Jones within a high single digit of Moore in the polls.

It's not impossible, but I think basically three things have to happen:

(1) Jones has to be an amazing candidate (don't know much about him);
(2) Moore has to hit just the right spot of crazy to turn off Republican voters and energize democratic voters.
(3) Some other political bomb has to hit - Mueller starting to drop indictments might be seismic enough to shake things up.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:49 am
by ImLawBoy
Captain Caveman wrote:It's Alabama. I'm guessing that the Joker with an R by his name would defeat Batman with a D by his.
Batman would totally run as a Republican on a tax cuts and law-and-order platform.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:57 am
by El Guapo
ImLawBoy wrote:
Captain Caveman wrote:It's Alabama. I'm guessing that the Joker with an R by his name would defeat Batman with a D by his.
Batman would totally run as a Republican on a tax cuts and law-and-order platform.
Oh, and pretty lax concealed carry rules on weapons.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:01 pm
by Defiant
Doug Jones, the Democratic candidate for Alabama's U.S. Senate seat, capitalized on a bus ad mishap on Thursday, purchasing the domain for a misspelled Republican opponent's website to redirect all traffic to his campaign site.

Great America Alliance, a pro-Trump super PAC backing Republican candidate Judge Roy Moore, misspelled the URL for the website supporting Moore on the side of a bus, writing "alabamaderservesmoore.com", versus the correct URL, which is "alabamadeservesmoore.com."

Jones campaign seized the opportunity, purchasing the domain and linking it to redirect traffic to "dougjonesforsenate.com."
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Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:10 pm
by Holman
The stats I've seen don't look good for Moore's opponent.

Democrats in Alabama typically get well under 20% of the white vote. To win, Jones would need to pull something like 35%.

People who've handily re-elected Jeff Sessions will elect Roy Moore.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:23 pm
by LordMortis
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ven ... spartandhp

I'm not sure of my opinion on this but it's news worthy.
Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro called on his nation's military leaders Tuesday to prepare for war against the U.S. days after the Trump administration banned Venezuelan officials from entering the nation.

"We have been shamelessly threatened by the most criminal empire that ever existed and we have the obligation to prepare ourselves to guarantee peace," said Maduro, who wore a green uniform and a military hat as he spoke with his army top brass during a military exercise involving tanks and missiles. "We need to have rifles, missiles and well-oiled tanks at the ready....to defend every inch of the territory if needs be," he added.

The Trump administration has taken a hard stance against Maduro's regime by banning money lending to Venezuela's government or its state oil company PDVSA, and passing sanctions against Maduro and his top officials.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:42 pm
by NickAragua
El Guapo wrote:
ImLawBoy wrote:
Captain Caveman wrote:It's Alabama. I'm guessing that the Joker with an R by his name would defeat Batman with a D by his.
Batman would totally run as a Republican on a tax cuts and law-and-order platform.
Oh, and pretty lax concealed carry rules on weapons.
Well, just "non-lethal" weapons. Batman doesn't use guns, right?

Also, I bet he'd be big on privatizing / deputizing the police force.

Anyway, Joker is a much more persuasive guy.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:15 pm
by malchior
LordMortis wrote:I'm not sure of my opinion on this but it's news worthy.
News worthy sure. Important naw. Tin pot dictators and nuclear armed dictators alike love to have the US as their favorite enemy of the "people".

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:35 pm
by Defiant
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:The email prankster strikes again!
Abbe Lowell, a top Washington lawyer, exchanged emails on Monday with a prankster posing as his client Jared Kushner, at one point telling the prankster he needed to see "all emails" sent and received from a private email account Kushner had set up in December.

On Monday, the prankster wrote to Lowell from the address asking what he should do with "some correspondence on my private email ... featuring adult content."

"Can I remove these?" the prankster asked.

"Forwarded or received from WH officials?" Lowell responded.

"I think one was forwarded from a White House official, we had discussed a shared interest of sorts," the prankster said. "It was unsolicited. Then there are a handful more, but not from officials."

"I need to see I think all emails between you and WH (just for me and us)," Lowell wrote. "We need to send any officials emails to your WH account. Not stuff like you asked about. None of those are going anywhere."

"But we can bury it?" the prankster responded. "I'm so embarrassed. It's fairly specialist stuff, half naked women on a trampoline, standing on legoscenes, the tag for the movie was #standingOnTheLittlePeople :("

Lowell replied: "Don't delete. Don't send to anyone. Let's chat in a bit."
:lol:
Speaking of Jared, you go girl!.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:04 pm
by Pyperkub
malchior wrote:The thing that should really cause us to stop and think is that there is a very real chance that the Republican's are shattering *but* will remain in control of important functions of the government.
In control, but even more incompetent at actually governing.

Re: Political Randomness

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:08 pm
by malchior
Pyperkub wrote:
malchior wrote:The thing that should really cause us to stop and think is that there is a very real chance that the Republican's are shattering *but* will remain in control of important functions of the government.
In control, but even more incompetent at actually governing.
Correct - that was the point I was trying to get across. The ride is only going to get bumpier and more likely to fly off the tracks entirely. We're just throwing a select few random passengers to their figurative deaths right now. Oddly the "random" gyrations keep throwing brown and black riders out. Oh well I suppose.