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Scoop20906 wrote:Hey, Unagi. Just curious. Are you willing to vote for Qantaga with me today?

It's funny, I almost posed a similar question and felt it would be met with ridicule.

I'm not sure Scoop. Honestly. But you asking that has helped a little.

Sorry to see you go Remus. Thanks for giving us Erich.

There's a lot to think about today.

I suppose I don't have to tell all the vets 'round here that votes are very precious. It only takes two innocent votes on another innocent for Hugo and Odd Job to swoop in for the kill (with whatever rationale they may want to throw out).

stessier wrote:Lassr was on his vote at N-1. Q checked in while at N-1. Thus, either Q forgot he could self vote and explode, or he is not the Zerker.

Just for clarity's sake, any of you who have ever played in a game at GT know that self-voting is almost a staple of the game over there.

So, self voting is not something I would have forgotten.

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:Lassr was on his vote at N-1. Q checked in while at N-1. Thus, either Q forgot he could self vote and explode, or he is not the Zerker.

Just for clarity's sake, any of you who have ever played in a game at GT know that self-voting is almost a staple of the game over there.

So, self voting is not something I would have forgotten.

Ah so my legacy lives there..../gets warm & fuzzy feeling

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Hey, Unagi. Just curious. Are you willing to vote for Qantaga with me today?

It's funny, I almost posed a similar question and felt it would be met with ridicule.

I'm not sure Scoop. Honestly. But you asking that has helped a little.

Now, Unagi, why would I ridicule you??

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:Lassr was on his vote at N-1. Q checked in while at N-1. Thus, either Q forgot he could self vote and explode, or he is not the Zerker.

Just for clarity's sake, any of you who have ever played in a game at GT know that self-voting is almost a staple of the game over there.

So, self voting is not something I would have forgotten.

I don't even know where to begin with this. No way would a zerker self-vote that early in the game when he was at n-1. The odds were very thin that Bond would shoot him. Your logic proves nothing and makes this little back and forth between Stessier and Qantage look a bit staged.

Scoop, the issue is not whether or not I self-voted. You are (conveniently) overlooking the fact that I didn't self-vote after Lassr (a now proven bad guy) put me at n-1. It is those two items together that make a case for me not being Odd Job. Lassr putting me at n-1 makes a case that I am not Hugo, either.

Why would Lassr put a bad guy teammate at n-1 unless that teammate were the zerker? If that was indeed the plan, then why wouldn't the zerker then just self-vote and off himself?

I'm a bit concerned about your motivations. I would think a good agent would want to keep their options open and work diligently to find the two remaining bad guys. However, you have been fixated on voting for me since the start of the game (your due theory) even after the events of the game seem to indicate that I am less likely to be bad than I am to be good.

Of course, I realize that I am unproven. However, Lassr putting me at n-1 (along with the fact that I claimed no special role at n-1) would seem to indicate a likelihood that I am indeed who I say I am, a plain vanilla, good agent.

Is it possible that Lassr would put a bad teammate at n-1 at that stage of the game? Sure, it is.

Is it likely? Not really.

Scoop20906 wrote:

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:Lassr was on his vote at N-1. Q checked in while at N-1. Thus, either Q forgot he could self vote and explode, or he is not the Zerker.

Just for clarity's sake, any of you who have ever played in a game at GT know that self-voting is almost a staple of the game over there.

So, self voting is not something I would have forgotten.

I don't even know where to begin with this. No way would a zerker self-vote that early in the game when he was at n-1. The odds were very thin that Bond would shoot him. Your logic proves nothing and makes this little back and forth between Stessier and Qantage look a bit staged.

See I am wondering about all of this. I am not at all sure on who is a bad guy now. I guess I would follow both Scoops and Unagi's logic that it one of the remaining baddies is Qantaga. However, I have almost always followed scoop this entire game, and I have helped lynch a lot of good guys. So are Scoop and Unagi working together to try to get me to follow and hang another good guy, because they are working together? Or are they the good guys and we just made some bad choices earlier.

I went back and reread and don't really see any connection between these two and Lassr. But is that just a good team play, or is there nothing there?

I am not really willing to lean towards Qantaga, unless someone can show me a better reason. However, Remus prior to dieing pointed out that Unagi and Scoop would both be on his short list. Remus has proven to me to be very astute in this game, and while everyone knows I have placed my vote quickly and changed with the wind, I am going to put a little more thought into this vote.

So what say you three? All of you have proclaimed your good guy status, but is there a team working in Qantaga and Scoop or is Unagi really a baddie..Hmmm... I am going to think on this for a bit..

Ok, I think I see where Qantaga is coming from. Here is a more detailed look at the Qantaga N-1 vote.


by RMC » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:07 am

RMC wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Well, unless we hear from Q then I think I am going to return to my "logic" of Qantaga is due.

 Accuse Qantaga 
 

I know I might be putting my faith in the wrong person, but Scoop has really had a good logical reason for what he has been doing, so I will support him in his Qantaga is due theory. Also Qantaga is saying he is a normal agent, but that is what he should say at this time when he is looking to have been found out. It seems that Scoop has pointed out some behavior changes and that seems very plausible to me.

 Qantaga 
 

by Lassr » Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:17 am

Lassr wrote:

Unagi wrote:

RMC wrote:but Scoop has really had a good logical reason for what he has been doing

He don't know scoop very well does he...


I think Qantaga is at N-1. I voted for him simply because I still have a hard time reading him. He states above that he's just a non-special agent, of course what else could he say at the time.
What makes me leery of my vote is that scoop is pushing hard for him to be lynched...

Postby Newcastle » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:21 pm

Newcastle wrote:6 Votes needed for Majority

Scoop (3)- Grundbegriff, Remus, Quantaga,
Qantaga (5)- Scoop, Truicy, MSteelers, Lassr, RMC,
Grundbegriff (1) - Unagi,
Truicy (1)- Stessier,
-

No votes cast: ChaosRaven,


If I missed anything please let me know

Postby RMC » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:26 pm

RMC wrote:Withdraw  Qantaga 
 


So by the last few arguments the bad guys are:

tru1cy, Remus, and Scoop or tru1cy, grundbegriff, msteelers.

So since it looks like we are all in agreement that Tru1cy is most likely a bad guy, we should go that way. If I am missinging something, let me know. But with that logic, I am going to go with:

 Tru1cy 
 

Qantaga (5) - Scoop (unknown), Truicy (good), MSteelers(good), Lassr(evil), RMC (unknown)

Posted while Qantaga is N-1 - Unagi (unknown), Qantaga (unknown), Lassr (evil), Stessier (unknown)

No posts while Qantaga is N-1 - ChaosRaven (good), Truicy (good), MSteelers (Good), Grundbegriff (good), Remus West (good)

So basically all the baddies were in on the Qantaga N-1 vote or posted something while Qantaga was at N-1. Only the good players did not make any posts during that time.

RMC wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:
 withdrawal qantaga 
 

 accuse Grundbegriff 
 

If Qantaga turns out to be a baddie, you will never hear the end of it, Unagi. Thats unless you are one of the baddies too and then you will get whats coming to you soon then.

Well.. I can see the logic in Grund and since that seems to be the movement right now, as little as it is:

 withdrawal Truicy 
 

 accuse Grundbegriff 
 

Hmm... It does look like Scoop is really pushing for Qantaga and I have been just blindly following him.

I really am starting to suspect that Qantaga is a good guy, and Scoop is the wolf in our midsts. Does anyone else feel this way?

I keep looking back and I can see how I might have been allowing Scoop to set me up to take a fall for him. I have let myself be on a ton of killing votes, and have followed Scoop quite a bit.. hmm.. I do not enjoy being used, even if I not only allowed it, but did it blindly.

How about I start the ball rolling with:

 Scoop 
 

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Hey, Unagi. Just curious. Are you willing to vote for Qantaga with me today?

It's funny, I almost posed a similar question and felt it would be met with ridicule.

I'm not sure Scoop. Honestly. But you asking that has helped a little.

Ridicule? You think that's all it would be met with?? Ridicule is saying you're fat and your momma dresses you funny. This - this leaves me speechless.

Scoop20906 wrote:Goodies
MSteelers - Bond
Chaosraven - Judy

2 Baddies/3 Normals
Qantaga
RMC
Scoop20906
Stessier
Unagi

There is no way I vote for Q today. Maybe - maybe, if it's me, him, and someone else on the last day, I'd consider it. But really only if the someone else were msteelers or Chaos.

So I'm left with RMC, Scoop, and Unagi. And I have no idea where to go from here. On the plus side - 2 out of 3 Bad Guys in there mean great odds! On the minus side, we could hit the Zerker which would shorten the game by another 1/2 day. On the plus side, the Zerker should look like they are trying to get lynched! On the minus side, these 3 fit the bill to me. I guess I picked a bad week to give up sniffing glue.

RMC wrote:

RMC wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:
 withdrawal qantaga 
 

 accuse Grundbegriff 
 

If Qantaga turns out to be a baddie, you will never hear the end of it, Unagi. Thats unless you are one of the baddies too and then you will get whats coming to you soon then.

Well.. I can see the logic in Grund and since that seems to be the movement right now, as little as it is:

 withdrawal Truicy 
 

 accuse Grundbegriff 
 

Hmm... It does look like Scoop is really pushing for Qantaga and I have been just blindly following him.

I really am starting to suspect that Qantaga is a good guy, and Scoop is the wolf in our midsts. Does anyone else feel this way?

I keep looking back and I can see how I might have been allowing Scoop to set me up to take a fall for him. I have let myself be on a ton of killing votes, and have followed Scoop quite a bit.. hmm.. I do not enjoy being used, even if I not only allowed it, but did it blindly.

How about I start the ball rolling with:

 Scoop 
 

Scoop20906 wrote:

Why do I feel like that was a setup?

I certainly don't think I was attempting to setup RMC.

However, it did go something like this:

[paraphrase]

Day One
Hey, everyone. Scoop said something logical so I will vote with him. Oh, I'm a noob.

Day Two
Hey, everyone. Wow. Scoop was wrong but I'm just going to follow his vote again. Oh, I'm a noob.

Day Three
Hey, everyone. Wow. Scoop really lead me down the wrong path and we killed two good guys. Jeez, I shouldn't have listened to him. Yeah, I'm voting for scoop. How does that sound to everyone? Oh, I'm a noob.

[/paraphase]

I'm not convinced yet he is a baddie but all signs are starting to point that way.

Scoop20906 wrote:

I certainly don't think I was attempting to setup RMC.

However, it did go something like this:

[paraphrase]

Day One
Hey, everyone. Scoop said something logical so I will vote with him. Oh, I'm a noob.

Day Two
Hey, everyone. Wow. Scoop was wrong but I'm just going to follow his vote again. Oh, I'm a noob.

Day Three
Hey, everyone. Wow. Scoop really lead me down the wrong path and we killed two good guys. Jeez, I shouldn't have listened to him. Yeah, I'm voting for scoop. How does that sound to everyone? Oh, I'm a noob.

[/paraphase]

I'm not convinced yet he is a baddie but all signs are starting to point that way.

Now I was a little bad at the start, I admit. But really I just think I was playing a little too much by looking at what the shiny new thing that people were bringing to the table.

Maybe it is just that you have been always bringing the shiny new clue that I liked. But I seem to detect a pattern, and where there is smoke there is fire.

I am not a baddie, but I think you are Scoop. We shall see how the rest of the group votes, shall we?

OK, I am actually starting to gel on RMC and Qantaga being the other two.

And, frankly - it's only because there were a few moments where I feel like Scoop and stessier did/said something that just makes me feel they are british agents, not villains.

There are a number of things that also make me feel that RMC and Qantaga are perhaps 'good', but they come across as 'fakeable' moments and not as just 'normal' as the things I saw that seemed to exonerate stessier and scoop. IMO.

And, to stessier, regarding Qantaga.
1) your huge defense of him created some 'stessier is a bad-guy noise' that was/is hard to see through. (even as 'Stessier=Bad' trying to earn 'Qantaga=Good' trust, or something...) you shouldn't do that.
2) it's really a mistake to think that an event that led to a player 'gettting out of the noose' actually proves them to be innocent, they could just be wise - and good at this.


And, I know this is self serving, but I'm amazed that anyone could re-read this game and think that Lassr and I were on a team. He tried to snare me in a number of stupid things, and I actually pushed back and was willing for it to bite him (example would be his hyper-accusational tone when I mentioned the post that looked like I was 'protected', or when I called him out for pretending there was stuff to 'catch up with'.)

There are a few moments between stessier/scoop and Lassr that seems to also be like that (I can't recall them specificaly now), but that's also what's led me to gel on RMC and Qantaga.

I guess I am not sure what to do with the fact that Lassr put Qantaga to N-1. Sometimes villains do that, and then remove it to 'start a new trend'. Not sure what to say. It's just the only thing that seems to clear him, nothing else really.


Additionally, from a lot of the back and forth it seems to me that:

Scoop is not teamed with RMC
Scoop is not teamed with Qantaga
Scoop is not teamed with stessier
Scoop is not teamed wih me (this I simply know, of course)

Additionally, it seems that:
Stessier is not teamed with RMC
Stessier is not teamed with Qantaga
Stessier is not teamed with Scoop
Stessier is not teamed with me (same deal...)

I have very little that helps me suggest that RMC and Qantaga are not teamed.

Take a look at Qantaga's N-1 moment(and this is from my point of view):

Qantaga (5)- Scoop (good), Truicy(good), MSteelers(good), Lassr(evil), RMC(evil??)

Ok, for Qantaga and RMC to be evil that would mean that BOTH Lassr (known evil) and RMC (evil in this scenario) would put their partner at N-1. I just don't believe the wolves would have the balls to do that.

I don't think that BOTH RMC and Qantaga can be evil.

I can believe that RMC is evil with Lassr with the other evil not wanting to post the kill vote.

However, I can also believe that RMC is innocent and that Qantaga is evil and just got lucky.

Where were Stessier and Unagi during this moment?

Grundbegriff (1) - Unagi,
Truicy (1)- Stessier,

So, why would Lassr vote for a partner when he was N-2?

Could both Unagi and Stessier be the final two?

this is hilarious.


I really mean that.

Unagi wrote:this is hilarious.


I really mean that.

Take a look at then Qantaga vote Unagi and tell me what you think.

Scoop20906 wrote:Qantaga (5)- Scoop (good), Truicy(good), MSteelers(good), Lassr(evil), RMC(evil??)

I'm honestly not sure what to say Scoop.

But, let's run through this, OK?

Let's just say, for the sake of argument that you, Scoop, are indeed Good.

I can see how you would look at that vote list and say, OK - since I can't see Evil1 and Evil2 putting their final votes on Evil3, without it being a planned Evil3-explosion.

Right?

And, Good-Scoop should conclude that therefor Unagi and Stessier are perhaps the other two villains.


---
Now let's look at it from stessier's seat and, again for the sake of argument, say that Stessier is indeed Good.

He should look at that same vote list and conclude that Unagi and Scoop must be the other too.

---

I, myself, Honestly looked at that list and said to myself - It's got to be stessier and Scoop that are the other two... but, I Gotta Tell Ya, there are a number of other things that really seem to take me away from that.


Here is something I honestly don't think that stessier lied about.... When he posted it, I LOLed as, it was pretty much what I had done. It seemed natural for stessier to share it. It seemed to be in his natural voice. It seemed, to me, like he really meant it.

stessier wrote:Am I the only one who has no self control and scrolls down to see what actually happened, but then has trouble going back to re-read the wall of text and feels bad about it when everyone else says how well done it is?

So. You need to ask youself if this was just totally contrived, or if stessier really wanted to learn the results of the theohall lynch, and skipped to the end.... and then had trouble going back and reading it all, and felt bad when everyone praised it. See. I just think he meant that. Simple. And that means he isn't a villain.

I've got stuff I could show others that makes you seem unlikely to be teamed with Lassr.

I could be wrong on all this. But, alas -it's where I am at with it all.

How to make Any Sense of the Qantaga vote?

Qantaga could be the zerker. They could have been OK with him to go, but still didn't want it to look like a plan. If he self voted, then the people on the vote may have looked guilty. If they let some poor Agent put the last vote on, that player may have gotten the heat puttting the zerker 'over, and then we'd perhaps lynched that player.

Alternatively, the two of them going on at the end of that vote like that (Lassr and RMC) could have helped them create and control the N-1 moment, with the intention to back off (insurance is the zerker) - so as to - (and here we are) try and clear Qantaga off our considerations.


Yadaa yadda, I'm sure many will take this all as me conspiring something.

I'm curious what our known good agents, Chaosraven and msteelers, make of all this.

Qantaga wrote:I'm curious what our known good agents, Chaosraven and msteelers, make of all this.

Qantaga, a word of advice. The known good guys don't know any better than the unknowns. Its a classic mistake to put more weight on their opinions simple because they are proven.

Scoop20906 wrote:

Qantaga wrote:I'm curious what our known good agents, Chaosraven and msteelers, make of all this.

Qantaga, a word of advice. The known good guys don't know any better than the unknowns. Its a classic mistake to put more weight on their opinions simple because they are proven.

While that may be true, one reason I'd like to hear from them is because I know for a fact that they aren't bad guys making up reasons to accuse someone. If they are mistaken about someone's goodness/badness, then at least it's with pure intentions and not malice.

Qantaga wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:

Qantaga wrote:I'm curious what our known good agents, Chaosraven and msteelers, make of all this.

Qantaga, a word of advice. The known good guys don't know any better than the unknowns. Its a classic mistake to put more weight on their opinions simple because they are proven.

While that may be true, one reason I'd like to hear from them is because I know for a fact that they aren't bad guys making up reasons to accuse someone. If they are mistaken about someone's goodness/badness, then at least it's with pure intentions and not malice.

I want to hear their opinions also. I just know in my early WW games I gave their words a little too much weight.

So, where the heck are these guys?

The problem I'm having is that there are very few people who look like good guys to me. Everyone has done a fantastic job looking evil this game. Remus brought this up, and it's something I think we should focus on. Why would the bad guys use the EMP during the first night?

Remus West wrote:BTW, I was thinking about why they may have triggered the EMP right away. Doing it the first night gives them a step up on us and if all three Spectre agents are people who would be likely scans they may have felt they needed to get it done. Thus, stessier, Scoop, and Unagi stand out huge to me. I probably will not take the time to go back and read each of those players again but I suggest you all do. stessier, in particular, is playing well under the radar which is really bugging me right now. Combine that with Unagi's comment regarding feeling that stessier is human and I think you may be very wise to lynch both of them. If one of them is wrong I would lynch Scoop.

Any thoughts on using the EMP during the first night?

msteelers wrote:The problem I'm having is that there are very few people who look like good guys to me. Everyone has done a fantastic job looking evil this game. Remus brought this up, and it's something I think we should focus on. Why would the bad guys use the EMP during the first night?

Remus West wrote:BTW, I was thinking about why they may have triggered the EMP right away. Doing it the first night gives them a step up on us and if all three Spectre agents are people who would be likely scans they may have felt they needed to get it done. Thus, stessier, Scoop, and Unagi stand out huge to me. I probably will not take the time to go back and read each of those players again but I suggest you all do. stessier, in particular, is playing well under the radar which is really bugging me right now. Combine that with Unagi's comment regarding feeling that stessier is human and I think you may be very wise to lynch both of them. If one of them is wrong I would lynch Scoop.

Any thoughts on using the EMP during the first night?

My first thought is they didn't want to take the chance that Erich would get killed before he got to use it or a protection happens on the first night. Since Lassr got scanned as soon as Remus got a scan it looks like they made the right decision. It seems personalities played into their strategy in this case.

Still, if you are going to EMP, then why not take out Grund or Remus instead of a relative OO unknown in Rhetts2?

msteelers wrote:The problem I'm having is that there are very few people who look like good guys to me. Everyone has done a fantastic job looking evil this game. Remus brought this up, and it's something I think we should focus on. Why would the bad guys use the EMP during the first night?

Remus West wrote:BTW, I was thinking about why they may have triggered the EMP right away. Doing it the first night gives them a step up on us and if all three Spectre agents are people who would be likely scans they may have felt they needed to get it done. Thus, stessier, Scoop, and Unagi stand out huge to me. I probably will not take the time to go back and read each of those players again but I suggest you all do. stessier, in particular, is playing well under the radar which is really bugging me right now. Combine that with Unagi's comment regarding feeling that stessier is human and I think you may be very wise to lynch both of them. If one of them is wrong I would lynch Scoop.

Any thoughts on using the EMP during the first night?

Frankly, I think it's a no brainer.

From what I read, the only thing the EMP does is interupt the Seer and the EMP guy could have been lynched any day... why would they wait to use the EMP power?


Remus seemed to think that maybe the Villains would hold back on using the EMP for a later day. I seriously just don't understand why they would do that.

Unagi and Stessier, we are in an interesting conundrum.

Conventional wisdom points out that Lassr (known evil) put Qantaga at N-2 and RMC (unknown) put Qantaga at N-1 and therefore all there should not be the baddies.

Its possible that RMC or Qantaga are baddies but not both. In this example, RMC looks more evil having pushed someone to N-1.

However, Scoop (thats me) started the Qantaga bandwagon and had not opportunity to put the kill vote on him. But, both Unagi and Stessier stayed off the Qantaga votes and had in fact voted for other players.

Grundbegriff (1) - Unagi,
Truicy (1)- Stessier,

Stessier was stuck on the Tru1cy vote and wasn't going to change and Unagi had said he would vote Truicy but seemed to think he had a baddie in silent Grund.

Now eventually, Unagi was able to convince me to vote Grund and other joined. Was this Unagi saving Qantaga's skin?

Scoop (3)- Grundbegriff, Remus, Quantaga
Qantaga (1)- tru1cy
Grundbegriff (6) - Unagi, Lassr, Scoop, RMC, MSteelers, Chaosraven
Truicy (1)- Stessier

Interesting to see that Lassr had jumped to Grundbegriff that quickly and then scoop followed along followed by my shadow, RMC.


Grundbegriff (6) - Unagi (unknown), Lassr (evil), Scoop (unknown), RMC (unknown), MSteelers (good), Chaosraven (good)

And here is the interesting little tidbit. Both Lassr and Stessier gave RMC some ribbing (I felt good naturedly at the time) for following my votes and giving that reason. Was that a plan between the three of them to frame me?

Wow, I can see conspiracies everywhere but no smoking gun.

Unagi wrote:

msteelers wrote:The problem I'm having is that there are very few people who look like good guys to me. Everyone has done a fantastic job looking evil this game. Remus brought this up, and it's something I think we should focus on. Why would the bad guys use the EMP during the first night?

Remus West wrote:BTW, I was thinking about why they may have triggered the EMP right away. Doing it the first night gives them a step up on us and if all three Spectre agents are people who would be likely scans they may have felt they needed to get it done. Thus, stessier, Scoop, and Unagi stand out huge to me. I probably will not take the time to go back and read each of those players again but I suggest you all do. stessier, in particular, is playing well under the radar which is really bugging me right now. Combine that with Unagi's comment regarding feeling that stessier is human and I think you may be very wise to lynch both of them. If one of them is wrong I would lynch Scoop.

Any thoughts on using the EMP during the first night?

Frankly, I think it's a no brainer.

From what I read, the only thing the EMP does is interupt the Seer and the EMP guy could have been lynched any day... why would they wait to use the EMP power?


Remus seemed to think that maybe the Villains would hold back on using the EMP for a later day. I seriously just don't understand why they would do that.

EMP Power - This power blocks all abilities in the interlude phase. The villain's target still dies however.

It would also block Judy's protection power too. But maybe you wanted someone to correct you on that, right?

Hell, here is more evidence: Remus thought that the last two were in {stessier, Unagi, Scoop}. What more do we need to tell us that it's Qantaga and RMC?

Scoop20906 wrote:Still, if you are going to EMP, then why not take out Grund or Remus instead of a relative OO unknown in Rhetts2?

That's actually a good point. If Rhetts2 was 'unknown' (and he was), and you are going to blind the Good Guys on their first night. Why kill a player the Seer is perhaps somewhat likely to waste his scan on.

The rhetts kill on the same not as the EMP almost implies that the killer does indeed understand rhetts and indeed felt that rhetts was perhaps a player that was likely to just show his hand (or perhaps a player they just really felt had hinted at being a special, I suppose).

Scoop20906 wrote:It would also block Judy's protection power too. But maybe you wanted someone to correct you on that, right?

err,wait - I swear I JUST READ that it didn't block the kill or the protection.

wait.

Newcastle wrote:Erich Kriegler – As a former East German operative you are uncomfortable with the peace that has broken out. Your talents are no longer as appreciated. Business is now slow. You thrived with the uneasiness that the Cold War brought. You would prefer a state with the two sides skating distinctly on the brink of war, where men of your talent are in demand to this end Hugo Drax is the best man to follow. (Power – you have a 1 time ability to block all powers for an evening except for the night kill-including blocking).

Right?

Unagi wrote:From what I read, the only thing the EMP does is interupt the Seer and the EMP guy could have been lynched any day... why would they wait to use the EMP power?

Incorrect.

Newcastle wrote:Henchman 2- He has EMP powers. EMP powers - a 1 time ability of blocking all night time powers (scan & protection). Night kill still goes through. (this might change depending on the number of people signed up .

obviously, you are right on that Scoop, I just didn't read the follow up FAQ on it.

In any case, I still think using the EMP on the first night was simply the wise thing to do.

msteelers wrote:

Unagi wrote:From what I read, the only thing the EMP does is interupt the Seer and the EMP guy could have been lynched any day... why would they wait to use the EMP power?

Incorrect.

Newcastle wrote:Henchman 2- He has EMP powers. EMP powers - a 1 time ability of blocking all night time powers (scan & protection). Night kill still goes through. (this might change depending on the number of people signed up .

I stand corrected.


(and no, I didn't do all that in an attempt to demontrate I hadn't done a lot of reading on the EMP until now, even though that happens to be what just went down.)

Unagi wrote:I guess I am not sure what to do with the fact that Lassr put Qantaga to N-1. Sometimes villains do that, and then remove it to 'start a new trend'. Not sure what to say. It's just the only thing that seems to clear him, nothing else really.

Unagi, Lassr did not put Qantaga to N-1. That was RMC.

With the EMP, it stops everything but the kill. So it stops a protection attempt (assuming the protector tries first to protect himself), and it stops the Seer. Regardless of whether the seer was checking a good or an evil, it was info he didn't get, putting us behind a turn. It meant they were guaranteed a kill, possibly a good special, and good got nothing. Plus, Lassr is then simply a Bad Guy without the potential of losing the opportunity. Most likely they believed rshetts2 to be a good candidate for a special. It was a good call. I mean, we are currently missing what should have been a verified scan either way.

Chaosraven wrote:With the EMP, it stops everything but the kill. So it stops a protection attempt (assuming the protector tries first to protect himself), and it stops the Seer. Regardless of whether the seer was checking a good or an evil, it was info he didn't get, putting us behind a turn. It meant they were guaranteed a kill, possibly a good special, and good got nothing. Plus, Lassr is then simply a Bad Guy without the potential of losing the opportunity. Most likely they believed rshetts2 to be a good candidate for a special. It was a good call. I mean, we are currently missing what should have been a verified scan either way.

Personally, I disagree that it was a good call. I think the EMP is best used to bypass the protector. It just so happened that this game had a perfect storm of events to make it so that the EMP on night 1 looks like a good call.

msteelers wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:With the EMP, it stops everything but the kill. So it stops a protection attempt (assuming the protector tries first to protect himself), and it stops the Seer. Regardless of whether the seer was checking a good or an evil, it was info he didn't get, putting us behind a turn. It meant they were guaranteed a kill, possibly a good special, and good got nothing. Plus, Lassr is then simply a Bad Guy without the potential of losing the opportunity. Most likely they believed rshetts2 to be a good candidate for a special. It was a good call. I mean, we are currently missing what should have been a verified scan either way.

Personally, I disagree that it was a good call. I think the EMP is best used to bypass the protector. It just so happened that this game had a perfect storm of events to make it so that the EMP on night 1 looks like a good call.

Well, like I said before, msteelers. Lassr turned out to be Erich and I'm pretty sure he felt he would be scanned early in the game. I bet this weighed heavily on their decision to use it early.

Now if someone like you or RMC had received it you might have felt you would have had a better chance to hold on to it until later.

Scoop20906 wrote:

Unagi wrote:I guess I am not sure what to do with the fact that Lassr put Qantaga to N-1. Sometimes villains do that, and then remove it to 'start a new trend'. Not sure what to say. It's just the only thing that seems to clear him, nothing else really.

Unagi, Lassr did not put Qantaga to N-1. That was RMC.

OK. I ran with what someone else said and didn't look carefully.
I think.


And this reminds me of another moment that Lassr tried to get me in hot water... When he blaimed me for 'tricking him' into putting his vote on Theohall

snippet:

Unagi wrote:

Lassr wrote:Unagi, why did you do the withdraw on theohall yesterday when you didn't have a vote on him?

....
At the time, I did it in the same spirtit as a number of players that 're-accuse' their player-of-choice, so as to entice others to follow suit and/or to simply communicate their resolution.

I don't understand what you're actually feigning surprise and shock to though, Lassr.

Did you sit there and struggle with placing the kill on him - and then what? You were miffed to find out that your vote was extraneous and your neck stuck out for no reason?

Is this me and Lassr teamed?


Or, when Scoop asked Lassr to put the final vote down on Theohall, and Lassr told him he wasn't going to do it, because Lassr thought theohall was acting 'normal good'.

These are things that I look at beyond these "N-1" moments.


No one has answered my question:
Did stessier lie about not reading the Theohall Kill Write-Up, or was he being honest.

Seriously, I think if you read this game there are things that show that stessier, Scoop, and I are NOT teamed with Lassr (and more to the point in Stessier, I think he simply isn't a Villain)