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Blaming "fAKe nEwS and dEMocrAtS" while completely glossing over their own behavior has gotten SO damn tiresome.pr0ner wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:27 am Who's Pence throwing under the bus here?
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 1049389056
And if anything it's Republican and right leaning media (like Rush!) who are out there downplaying things.Skinypupy wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:34 amBlaming "fAKe nEwS and dEMocrAtS" while completely glossing over their own behavior has gotten SO damn tiresome.pr0ner wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:27 am Who's Pence throwing under the bus here?
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 1049389056
Democrats, obviously. Atheists, too. Maybe dogs. Anyone not wearing red.
In context he is answering a question about Trump but I'm pretty sure he isn't talking Trump. Otherwise, he would have dropped to his knees to beg the Lord for forgiveness.
This morning he answered the question on how S. Korea has manage to test many more people than the US so far and why did the US not start testing when the WHO kits became available weeks before we developed our own with a version of "that's not how we do it here. USA! USA! USA! " What a worthless piece of shit he is.Dogstar wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:06 am For what it's worth, I don't think Pence has horrible political instincts.
It was suggested this morning that those labs were just now starting to ramp up testing. We're still far off from S. Korea, which has tested 150,000.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:25 am We're testing more that what's reported. Quest and LabCorp have been testing several thousand patients a day from what I've been told. I'm not sure where those results go though.
Yeah, but we're getting reports of 1 test here, 3 tests there. There are a lot more tests but no consolidated reporting. That's the big difference.Jeff V wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:26 amIt was suggested this morning that those labs were just now starting to ramp up testing. We're still far off from S. Korea, which has tested 150,000.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:25 am We're testing more that what's reported. Quest and LabCorp have been testing several thousand patients a day from what I've been told. I'm not sure where those results go though.
Guess who he was just sitting with? Oh and he was Trump-y as of yesterday talking about how overblown it was.
Have to agree with this. I know labs are testing for it. I think the communication has been bad, and I am not sure why we are not leveraging things better here in the US. But we are doing more than what is being said.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:30 amYeah, but we're getting reports of 1 test here, 3 tests there. There are a lot more tests but no consolidated reporting. That's the big difference.Jeff V wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:26 amIt was suggested this morning that those labs were just now starting to ramp up testing. We're still far off from S. Korea, which has tested 150,000.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:25 am We're testing more that what's reported. Quest and LabCorp have been testing several thousand patients a day from what I've been told. I'm not sure where those results go though.
That's the issue. By pushing this down to the local level they've trapped data in dark pools that don't inform big scale coordination. It might as well be the same thing as not testing for national policy decision makers.RMC wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:37 amHave to agree with this. I know labs are testing for it. I think the communication has been bad, and I am not sure why we are not leveraging things better here in the US. But we are doing more than what is being said.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:30 amYeah, but we're getting reports of 1 test here, 3 tests there. There are a lot more tests but no consolidated reporting. That's the big difference.Jeff V wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:26 amIt was suggested this morning that those labs were just now starting to ramp up testing. We're still far off from S. Korea, which has tested 150,000.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:25 am We're testing more that what's reported. Quest and LabCorp have been testing several thousand patients a day from what I've been told. I'm not sure where those results go though.
Data that doesn’t get to the frontline medical people and health departments is rather useless. A robust response to a health emergency takes more than spending bills and economic incentives. I think the governors in New England will probably work well together. At least I hope so because we be on our own.malchior wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:43 amThat's the issue. By pushing this down to the local level they've trapped data in dark pools that don't inform big scale coordination. It might as well be the same thing as not testing for national policy decision makers.RMC wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:37 amHave to agree with this. I know labs are testing for it. I think the communication has been bad, and I am not sure why we are not leveraging things better here in the US. But we are doing more than what is being said.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:30 amYeah, but we're getting reports of 1 test here, 3 tests there. There are a lot more tests but no consolidated reporting. That's the big difference.Jeff V wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:26 amIt was suggested this morning that those labs were just now starting to ramp up testing. We're still far off from S. Korea, which has tested 150,000.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:25 am We're testing more that what's reported. Quest and LabCorp have been testing several thousand patients a day from what I've been told. I'm not sure where those results go though.
Edit: Even worse the local and state people might not even know because the data is at the lab/doctor level. That's why you are seeing some states just basically break away from the CDC/Federal guidance and do their own thing (think NY and WA). This could easily be because they have a direct lens on the complete failure at the Federal level.
All of Trump's resorts are exempt.$iljanus wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:15 am Interesting how Britain was spared from the travel ban. Is it because they speak English and aren't like the usual foreigners? He has resorts in Scotland and Ireland? They have really thorough screening? Last I heard, the number of cases in Britain was rising...
That demographic includes a lot of hardcore Trumpsters, so probably.Jeff V wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:22 am I'm ready to start a new conspiracy theory. Who does Corona virus kill the most? Old people and sick people. Who does Republicans hate the most? Social Security takers and those with preexisting conditions. Coincidence?
The UK has the most European cases outside of Italy.Kraken wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:09 amAll of Trump's resorts are exempt.$iljanus wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:15 am Interesting how Britain was spared from the travel ban. Is it because they speak English and aren't like the usual foreigners? He has resorts in Scotland and Ireland? They have really thorough screening? Last I heard, the number of cases in Britain was rising...
That demographic includes a lot of hardcore Trumpsters, so probably.Jeff V wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:22 am I'm ready to start a new conspiracy theory. Who does Corona virus kill the most? Old people and sick people. Who does Republicans hate the most? Social Security takers and those with preexisting conditions. Coincidence?
Maybe Trump scientists have pinpointed that obesity lowers risk?Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:15 am Britain being spared isn't nearly as absurd as the fact that American citizens are exempt.
But their platform is already discarding them, no?Kraken wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:09 amThat demographic includes a lot of hardcore Trumpsters, so probably.Jeff V wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:22 am I'm ready to start a new conspiracy theory. Who does Corona virus kill the most? Old people and sick people. Who does Republicans hate the most? Social Security takers and those with preexisting conditions. Coincidence?
The only rationale I have for this is that US citizens and legal residents can be tracked more easily since they have fixed addresses and local health authorities can do surveillance on these travelers.Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:15 am Britain being spared isn't nearly as absurd as the fact that American citizens are exempt.
FOX Business just covered this. To paraphrase, Stuary Varney asked if Fauci used the word, "failing". Response: Yes. Varney: That's good. We need honesty now. No spin.$iljanus wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:17 am Watching hearings on the Coronavirus response on C-SPAN. Dr Redfield is being grilled and he’s not looking too good right now. Fauci is now jumping in and says straight out that the system that was in place for rolling out tests and reporting results was a failure. But part of the failure is due to a reliance on a system that wasn’t set up to address an outbreak like this.
It feels like the real rationale is to push the blame to 'them' and reinforce Trump's nationalist cred.$iljanus wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:29 amThe only rationale I have for this is that US citizens and legal residents can be tracked more easily since they have fixed addresses and local health authorities can do surveillance on these travelers.Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:15 am Britain being spared isn't nearly as absurd as the fact that American citizens are exempt.
Of course, do I think this will happen? Well if we were in South Korea, sure. In the US that has the “greatest health care in the world” insert shrug emoji here.
Is this an honest attempt to reverse engineer their thinking? IMO there is no non-terrible rationale. They are exempting Americans because they don't want stories about people trapped in Europe. You can beat on most foreigners pretty indiscriminately but they don't want MAGATs to hear about (white) Americans or (white) Brits getting beat on.$iljanus wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:29 amThe only rationale I have for this is that US citizens and legal residents can be tracked more easily since they have fixed addresses and local health authorities can do surveillance on these travelers.Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:15 am Britain being spared isn't nearly as absurd as the fact that American citizens are exempt.
What the general public might not appreciate is that information flows (daily) from locals to the state and from the state to the CDC. We are in *constant* communication with them about any diseases that are springing up in our community. The forms the doctors are completing not only shuttle information to the insurance company, but to local public health agencies as well. The point of this is so that there's a national collection of data that is then shared back to the public health agencies (and the general public) on a weekly basis. This is part of surveillance and a core element of modern public health.malchior wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:43 amThat's the issue. By pushing this down to the local level they've trapped data in dark pools that don't inform big scale coordination. It might as well be the same thing as not testing for national policy decision makers.
Edit: Even worse the local and state people might not even know because the data is at the lab/doctor level. That's why you are seeing some states just basically break away from the CDC/Federal guidance and do their own thing (think NY and WA). This could easily be because they have a direct lens on the complete failure at the Federal level.
You're right. I was misreading something, but the gist is that the UK has more cases than several countries being put under ban.
Leaving aside the inherent xenophobia in this administration, a country’s government has a responsibility towards their citizens. This can take the form of evacuating citizens from a war zone, for example. Now with rigorous screening and just as important surveillance this could be pulled off in a better world. I was approaching the rationale as more of an intellectual exercise for myself.malchior wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:33 amIs this an honest attempt to reverse engineer their thinking? IMO there is no non-terrible rationale. They are exempting Americans because they don't want stories about people trapped in Europe. You can beat on most foreigners pretty indiscriminately but they don't want MAGATs to hear about (white) Americans or (white) Brits getting beat on.$iljanus wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:29 amThe only rationale I have for this is that US citizens and legal residents can be tracked more easily since they have fixed addresses and local health authorities can do surveillance on these travelers.Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:15 am Britain being spared isn't nearly as absurd as the fact that American citizens are exempt.
From someone who has read the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report from the CDC on occasion for fun I’m as confused as you are Smoove since it’s not like there was never any way to communicate data between health departments and the CDC.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:42 amWhat the general public might not appreciate is that information flows (daily) from locals to the state and from the state to the CDC. We are in *constant* communication with them about any diseases that are springing up in our community. The forms the doctors are completing not only shuttle information to the insurance company, but to local public health agencies as well. The point of this is so that there's a national collection of data that is then shared back to the public health agencies (and the general public) on a weekly basis. This is part of surveillance and a core element of modern public health.malchior wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:43 amThat's the issue. By pushing this down to the local level they've trapped data in dark pools that don't inform big scale coordination. It might as well be the same thing as not testing for national policy decision makers.
Edit: Even worse the local and state people might not even know because the data is at the lab/doctor level. That's why you are seeing some states just basically break away from the CDC/Federal guidance and do their own thing (think NY and WA). This could easily be because they have a direct lens on the complete failure at the Federal level.
Which is why none of this makes sense - unless someone is specifically saying don't share that info (spoiler: they are). The channels are already in place. The reporting mechanism already exists - neither are being created exclusively for this outbreak. The fact that the CDC isn't using this existing infrastructure to share with states what's happening locally, regionally and nationally is a real problem. Incompetence is one thing, but this is beyond incompetence. This is (to me) clearly malfeasance.
