Ukraine

[Unagi]

We're not even close to a year in

It’s been 36 days.

2.5% done

[Unagi]

Fuck Marco Rubio. Even a year ago he was arguing for the importance of defending Ukraine against Russia.

Spineless coward.

He was sitting on a couch with VD. Talk about a third wheel.

[Unagi]

Still fuming and reeling, watching the world order completely blow up with a vacuum of hate and stupidity ready to fill it in DC. This shook me like 1-6 and 911.

It is mindbogglingly stupid

When Vance barked, "You haven't said thank you, once! ...in this meeting." I lost it.


I would say a stark line has been drawn. If you ever gave a shit about Ukraine and thought Russia invaded them - how could you still back Trump after that display. I mean, unless you have toxic-male syndrome and you got a hard-on watching Trump's face glow red.



All this being said, I am actually surpised that he was not told by aids and handlers that Trump needed an ass-kissing like no-other, and anything like 'Correcting him on Live TV' would be a really really bad thing for him to do.

[$iljanus]

We're not even close to a year in

It’s been 36 days.

That’s depressing. Can’t wait for what new horrors March will bring us.

[Isgrimnur]

Madness. The correct term for March is always 'madness'.

[$iljanus]

Madness. The correct term for March is always 'madness'.

Las Vegas oddsmakers: “Who will make the Final Four? And the over/under on US democracy.”

[Kurth]

I’ve seen a lot of speculation that Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy for domestic consumption. Maybe, but I’m more in line with the idea that it was a clear communication to Putin and to Europe.

I just don’t think the MAGA base cares. I don’t think they’re paying attention to any of this. Of course, the very small, engaged portion of MAGA is eating it up. But how big do you think that group is? I’m totally guessing, but I’d put that at maybe 5% of the MAGA base. Everyone else won when Trump was elected, and now they’ve tuned out entirely. They don’t watch cable news. They don’t read news on line. They don’t follow “journalists” or journalists on social media. They could care less about all this.

It’s not like we’re talking about the price of eggs or gas, you know.

[$iljanus]

I’ve seen a lot of speculation that Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy for domestic consumption. Maybe, but I’m more in line with the idea that it was a clear communication to Putin and to Europe.

I just don’t think the MAGA base cares. I don’t think they’re paying attention to any of this. Of course, the very small, engaged portion of MAGA is eating it up. But how big do you think that group is? I’m totally guessing, but I’d put that at maybe 5% of the MAGA base. Everyone else won when Trump was elected, and now they’ve tuned out entirely. They don’t watch cable news. They don’t read news on line. They don’t follow “journalists” or journalists on social media. They could care less about all this.

It’s not like we’re talking about the price of eggs or gas, you know.

Probably it’s all of the above. Manipulation of the domestic sheep and message to Putin that the US is open for business. Trump only wants to deal with Russia and China. The world can be divided amongst the three of them.

[LordMortis]

Prick swinging for domestic MAGA consumption is just a bonus. This is for the not so hidden influencers who whisper their objectives in the GOP Administration ears and a demonstration of personal revenge.

[Smoove_B]

I can only comment that my local MAGA lunatics have always been very vocal (on FB) about what's happening with Ukraine and the amount of money that's been sent to them - especially as part of the 2024 election cycle. I have no doubts it's just a bonus for that group of morons and the real message was to telegraph that Trump and Vance are clearly stooges for Putin.

[Alefroth]

We're not even close to a year in

It’s been 36 days.

Just 5 away from a year.

[Kraken]

I do a little burn every time trump inflates the amount of money Biden "gave" Ukraine. I think he tossed out $350B yesterday. The correct amount is ~$175B, of which $75B was spent in the US. For that $100B investment we got to cause 700,000 Russian casualties and rally the demoralized NATO, all without risking a single American life. Quite the bargain, if you want to be the leader of the free world.

'Course, it really was all wasted if you abdicate that leadership.

[LordMortis]

The correct amount is ~$175B,

Leon ventures have been subsidized nearly 1/4 of that most of which have happened in a similar time frame

https://fortune.com/2025/02/26/elon-mus ... acex-doge/

But DOGE’s Elon Musk runs a business empire of his own—one that reportedly collected $38 billion in government funding through a collection of government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits that go as far back as 20 years, an analysis by the Washington Post revealed.

Almost two-thirds of the $38 billion in funds were promised to his businesses in the past five years, the Washington Post reported. Last year alone, $6.3 billion in federal and local funding was devoted to Musk’s companies—the largest amount committed thus far, the publication said.

[GreenGoo]

Fox News should be all over this, unless they are in bed with Putin too. I mean, if they are just a parasite on the US and are just going to keep sucking blood until it dies, that seems pretty short sighted, even for ideological capitalism.

Don't any of these oligarchs understand just how big an economy the US is or what will happen globally if it collapses? Don't they want their children to be oligarchs too? Or do they like the idea of their offspring being warlords in the wasteland? Because warlords need to be strong, not rich, if they want to keep on warlording. Oligarch to warlord is not an easy progress tree. Hell, windows are some of their biggest hurdles.

[gbasden]

I do a little burn every time trump inflates the amount of money Biden "gave" Ukraine. I think he tossed out $350B yesterday. The correct amount is ~$175B, of which $75B was spent in the US. For that $100B investment we got to cause 700,000 Russian casualties and rally the demoralized NATO, all without risking a single American life. Quite the bargain, if you want to be the leader of the free world.

'Course, it really was all wasted if you abdicate that leadership.

And a good percentage of that aid was in obsolete military equipment in boneyards that we would have to pay to dismantle otherwise. The only reason that the right is railing against this is that they want to embrace Putin and his style of government.

[$iljanus]

Fox News should be all over this, unless they are in bed with Putin too. I mean, if they are just a parasite on the US and are just going to keep sucking blood until it dies, that seems pretty short sighted, even for ideological capitalism.

Don't any of these oligarchs understand just how big an economy the US is or what will happen globally if it collapses? Don't they want their children to be oligarchs too? Or do they like the idea of their offspring being warlords in the wasteland? Because warlords need to be strong, not rich, if they want to keep on warlording. Oligarch to warlord is not an easy progress tree. Hell, windows are some of their biggest hurdles.

And risk angering the administration which allows them access and appears on their channel? Fox News may have some dissent but that will be drowned out by the usual commentary praising Trump for his “tough diplomacy” or other such nonsense. At best they’re going to stay neutral so they won’t lose viewers to Newsmax or One America Network.

Fox News is operating as designed. Not a news organization but a product reliant on a certain viewership.