The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:34 pm

California Congressman suggests Comey is in serious jeopardy for his next behind closed doors interview while in the same conversation claims that Flynn conviction will be over turned.

Seems like an objective view of current facts, although I guess as a congressman he can actually bend reality to match his views.

Must be nice. The rest of us don't have that option.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:36 pm

Who said that?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:40 pm

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

The dossier compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele remains a subject of fascination—or, depending on your perspective, scorn. Indeed, it was much discussed during former FBI Director Jim Comey’s testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Dec. 7. Published almost two years ago by BuzzFeed News in January 2017, the document received significant public attention, first for its lurid details regarding Donald Trump’s pre-presidential alleged sexual escapades in Russia and later for its role in forming part of the basis for the government’s application for a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page.

Our interest in revisiting the compilation that has come to be called the “Steele Dossier” concerns neither of those topics, at least not directly. Rather, we returned to the document because we wondered whether information made public as a result of the Mueller investigation—and the passage of two years—has tended to buttress or diminish the crux of Steele’s original reporting.

tl;dr

As we noted, our interest is in assessing the Steele dossier as a raw intelligence document, not a finished piece of analysis. The Mueller investigation has clearly produced public records that confirm pieces of the dossier. And even where the details are not exact, the general thrust of Steele’s reporting seems credible in light of what we now know about extensive contacts between numerous individuals associated with the Trump campaign and Russian government officials.

However, there is also a good deal in the dossier that has not been corroborated in the official record and perhaps never will be—whether because it’s untrue, unimportant or too sensitive. As a raw intelligence document, the Steele dossier, we believe, holds up well so far. But surely there is more to come from Mueller’s team. We will return to it as the public record develops.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:37 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:36 pm Who said that?

Some Rep congressman from Cali. Was an interview on fox. Names aren't my forte. On phone so a link will have to wait.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:42 pm

It was probably Darrell Issa. He wasn't happy with Comey's testimony and he's been talking about how Trump is right to push back on the Flynn conviction.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:48 pm

It was.

I can't guarantee this link is correct or will even work.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/59801197510 ... show-clips

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:26 pm

Issa is a career criminal. And a dick.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:19 am

When you've swept so much dirt under the rug in your lifetime that the rug is riding 3 feet off the floor, the worst thing you can do is to have Home and Garden magazine come over to do a spread on you. You know they're going to see the rug. Why would you even want to invite them over?

I get that Trump is delusional, but self-preservation should have told him that everything he's ever done was going to be pulled apart down to the bare boards when he became president.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:44 am

Paingod wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:19 am When you've swept so much dirt under the rug in your lifetime that the rug is riding 3 feet off the floor, the worst thing you can do is to have Home and Garden magazine come over to do a spread on you. You know they're going to see the rug. Why would you even want to invite them over?

I get that Trump is delusional, but self-preservation should have told him that everything he's ever done was going to be pulled apart down to the bare boards when he became president.

I gut the feeling that he thought, or was told, that using the office if the President would allow him to magically vaporize all that dirt. He became president specifically to become above the law. That's why he idolizes Putin, that's exactly what Putin did.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:59 am

Paingod wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:19 am When you've swept so much dirt under the rug in your lifetime that the rug is riding 3 feet off the floor, the worst thing you can do is to have Home and Garden magazine come over to do a spread on you. You know they're going to see the rug. Why would you even want to invite them over?

I get that Trump is delusional, but self-preservation should have told him that everything he's ever done was going to be pulled apart down to the bare boards when he became president.

I'm not sure he intended to win, but rather intended to fraud money out of support while calling in to question the integrity of the process conveniently advancing his brand, but as it became more and more clear that he could win, I'd guess mentally it became a risk reward thing. I don't doubt that he saw becoming president as becoming head of the biggest mafia in the world and he sure seems to treat it that way. I don't doubt collusion and yes men doing his traitorous bidding (though it's speculation and I'm happy to hear out Mueller, hoping I'm wrong) to advance his name in the Russian underground, again without expectation of winning but rather to shade on the system.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:00 am

His ego and ability to always get away with it were what convinced him. Narcissism over self preservation. Plus, he only listens to people who agree with him.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:54 pm

Senate gets report detailing breadth of Russian meddling for Trump.

Senate puts fingers in ears and goes "la-la-la."

"The bipartisan panel hasn’t said if it endorses the findings. It plans to release it publicly along with another study later this week."

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:03 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:00 am His ego and ability to always get away with it were what convinced him. Narcissism over self preservation. Plus, he only listens to people who agree with him.

More like this:

"What is going to put him in jail eventually... destroy anything he's ever built, and his children, is a 30 year dishonest criminal enterprise. One thing will take him out of the presidency, the other will ruin him forever..."-

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:08 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:54 pm Senate gets report detailing breadth of Russian meddling for Trump.

Senate puts fingers in ears and goes "la-la-la."

"The bipartisan panel hasn’t said if it endorses the findings. It plans to release it publicly along with another study later this week."

I still don't totally understand how the Senate investigation is running. The GOP House investigation has been a pretty naked cover operation for the administration. The Senate investigation is definitely not that - they are calling real witnesses, commissioning real reports (like this, etc.). But at the same time it doesn't look like they're really trying to get to the truth expeditiously either. It's a weird halfway house of an investigation.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:16 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:54 pm Senate puts fingers in ears and goes "la-la-la."

The GOP electorate has already combined to say "So what?"

And PoTUS response will be "See. No Collusion. Hillary worked with the Russians. Why not investigate Hillary? People are saying the investigation is illegal. - WITCH HUNT."

It doesn't matter as long as you win. That's already been the message.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:52 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:16 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:54 pm Senate puts fingers in ears and goes "la-la-la."
The GOP electorate has already combined to say "So what?"

And PoTUS response will be "See. No Collusion. Hillary worked with the Russians. Why not investigate Hillary? People are saying the investigation is illegal. - WITCH HUNT."

It doesn't matter as long as you win. That's already been the message.

The only opinions that matter are those of the 20-or-so GOP senators who would have to vote to convict if the House impeaches. Hard to see that happening, and it doesn't even look like the House will impeach unless they think there's a shot at the Senate going along...but shoes are dropping left and right lately, so who knows? Nobody wants to get buried in shoes.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:09 pm

Yeah, I'm starting to get a feeling of "this will end VERY badly for Trump, whereas a few short months ago, I figured he was untouchable, and might even get re-elected.

Definitely not going to get re-elected, and might even see the inside of a prison cell (doubtful during his term, but should be a possibility for after)

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:11 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:52 pm
LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:16 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:54 pm Senate puts fingers in ears and goes "la-la-la."
The GOP electorate has already combined to say "So what?"

And PoTUS response will be "See. No Collusion. Hillary worked with the Russians. Why not investigate Hillary? People are saying the investigation is illegal. - WITCH HUNT."

It doesn't matter as long as you win. That's already been the message.
The only opinions that matter are those of the 20-or-so GOP senators who would have to vote to convict if the House impeaches. Hard to see that happening, and it doesn't even look like the House will impeach unless they think there's a shot at the Senate going along...but shoes are dropping left and right lately, so who knows? Nobody wants to get buried in shoes.

Except Imelda Marcos

.

GOP Senators will cover their own asses. Mueller has shown that he is able to get enough information out there that it can't be buried, and NY looks like it may bury Trump on the State side. Those Senators now defending him will abandon him like rats if it looks like the ship will sink.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:04 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:11 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:52 pm
LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:16 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:54 pm Senate puts fingers in ears and goes "la-la-la."
The GOP electorate has already combined to say "So what?"

And PoTUS response will be "See. No Collusion. Hillary worked with the Russians. Why not investigate Hillary? People are saying the investigation is illegal. - WITCH HUNT."

It doesn't matter as long as you win. That's already been the message.
The only opinions that matter are those of the 20-or-so GOP senators who would have to vote to convict if the House impeaches. Hard to see that happening, and it doesn't even look like the House will impeach unless they think there's a shot at the Senate going along...but shoes are dropping left and right lately, so who knows? Nobody wants to get buried in shoes.
Except Imelda Marcos .

GOP Senators will cover their own asses. Mueller has shown that he is able to get enough information out there that it can't be buried, and NY looks like it may bury Trump on the State side. Those Senators now defending him will abandon him like rats if it looks like the ship will sink.

Agreed, and it's looking more like it every day. If it gets to the point where only the deplorables and Putin are left, the senators will do the arithmetic.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:42 pm

I think the only ways that Trump could plausibly get impeached and convicted are: (1) audio / video exist of Trump personally speaking with Russian intelligence; or (2) he starts governing as a centrist, causing Fox News and conservative talk radio to turn on him.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:02 am

Comey criticized the GOP for not standing for the rule of law and for not telling the truth in the face of drumpf's constant attacks on the credibility of the FBI.

Fox news ran a talking head who made the claim that Comey is "losing it", as if Comey's demand for truth and rule of law are the calls of a crazy person.

You go Fox news. You can rule the rubble when it's all over.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:39 am

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:02 amYou go Fox news. You can rule the rubble when it's all over.

They're vying to become the state media utility when the democracy falls. It would make them the most powerful agency in the nation.

If democracy stands, though, they'll just keep on keepin' on.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:23 pm

A Complete Guide to All 17 (Known) Trump and Russia Investigations

While popular memory today remembers Watergate as five DNC burglars leading inexorably to Richard Nixon’s resignation two years later, history recalls that the case and special prosecutor’s investigation at the time were much broader; ultimately 69 people were charged as part of the investigation, 48 of whom pleaded guilty or were found guilty at trial.

After three weeks of back-to-back-to-back-to-back bombshells by federal prosecutors and special counsel Robert Mueller, it’s increasingly clear that, as 2018 winds down, Donald Trump faces a legal assault unlike anything previously seen by any president—at least 17 distinct court cases stemming from at least seven different sets of prosecutors and investigators. (That total does not count any congressional inquiries, nor does it include any other inquiries into other administration officials unrelated to Russia.)

tl;dr:

Investigations by the Special Counsel
- The Russian Government’s Election Attack
- WikiLeaks
- Middle Eastern Influence
- Paul Manafort’s Activity
- The Trump Tower Moscow Project
- Other Campaign and Transition Contacts With Russia
- Obstruction of Justice
Investigations by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York
- Campaign Conspiracy and the Trump Organization’s Finances
- Inauguration Funding
- Trump SuperPAC Funding
- Foreign Lobbying
Investigations by the US Attorney for the District of Columbia
- Maria Butina and the NRA
Investigations by the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia
- Elena Alekseevna Khusyaynova
- Turkish Influence
Investigations by New York City, New York State, & Other State Attorneys General
- Tax Case
- The Trump Foundation
- Emoluments Lawsuit
Mystery Investigation Underway by Unknown Office
Unrelated Criminality Pursued by Other Offices
- Identity Theft Cases

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:19 pm

Well, damn. The judge is not amused by Flynn during the sentencing hearing. From CNN:

Judge Sullivan harshly admonished Michael Flynn for acting as unregistered agent while serving as the national security adviser, leaving open the possibility of jail time for Flynn.

“All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out."
Sullivan says he could impose a sentence of incarceration.

"I am not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense," Sullivan said, straining his voice and taking a brief pause. "Yes, your honor," Flynn said, though he was not asked a question.

Instead of the slam dunk of no jail time, the judge also kept asking if Flynn would like to delay sentencing so he could have more time to cooperate with the Muller team. CNN analysts say the judge may have been hinting that he was tending toward throwing Flynn’s treasonous ass in jail and perhaps the prosecution should squeeze more out of Flynn, hence the offer to delay sentencing.

And sentencing has been delayed.

Go wheels of justice!

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Also the judge was probably not amused by Flynn and his team making allegations beforehand that the FBI tricked Flynn which were baseless. I don’t have much experience being sentenced in court but I don’t think it’s the best move to say anything other than “I accept the plea deal offered by the prosecution” which recommended no jail time. The balls on these arrogant fuckers. On the day of sentencing Flynn didn’t make any claims of FBI trickery, probably realizing the error of such thinking a little too late since the judge’s reaming began soon after.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:55 pm

$iljanus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:19 pm Well, damn. The judge is not amused by Flynn during the sentencing hearing. From CNN:

Judge Sullivan harshly admonished Michael Flynn for acting as unregistered agent while serving as the national security adviser, leaving open the possibility of jail time for Flynn.

“All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out."
Sullivan says he could impose a sentence of incarceration.

"I am not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense," Sullivan said, straining his voice and taking a brief pause. "Yes, your honor," Flynn said, though he was not asked a question.
Instead of the slam dunk of no jail time, the judge also kept asking if Flynn would like to delay sentencing so he could have more time to cooperate with the Muller team. CNN analysts say the judge may have been hinting that he was tending toward throwing Flynn’s treasonous ass in jail and perhaps the prosecution should squeeze more out of Flynn, hence the offer to delay sentencing.

And sentencing has been delayed.

Go wheels of justice!

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Also the judge was probably not amused by Flynn and his team making allegations beforehand that the FBI tricked Flynn which were baseless. I don’t have much experience being sentenced in court but I don’t think it’s the best move to say anything other than “I accept the plea deal offered by the prosecution” which recommended no jail time. The balls on these arrogant fuckers. On the day of sentencing Flynn didn’t make any claims of FBI trickery, probably realizing the error of such thinking a little too late since the judge’s reaming began soon after.

Yeah, a lot of judges want to see some acceptance of responsibility / wrongdoing if they're seeking a lenient sentence, and saying "I was tricked into lying" is pretty inconsistent with accepting responsibility.

As always Popehat's twitter feed is invaluable in terms of providing context.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:00 pm

The important thing was to get the idea out there. Then the President and Fox News can run with it over and over again until a significant number of Americans believe the FBI is corrupt. Once confidence in the only establishments left that can reel in a run away administration has been shaken, it's full blown loot time.

I have no idea how you can take a plea bargain, which often requires you to admit and list the crimes you are pleaing to in court, and still have that agreement in place while you shoot your mouth off about how it's not a legal agreement because malfeasance.

Boggles the mind. Cohen was an idiot, clearly. He's also the only one that has publicly taken full responsibility for his actions. That counts for a lot in my opinion. The rest of them should be burned at the stake. Witch hunt indeed.

edit: EG beat me to it.

GungHo · Post by **GungHo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:18 pm

This is so totally crazy I'm really not sure what to say about it. My 8yo wouldn't even say something this illogical.

And the beauty part is that today Flynn just shot all of that innanity down by saying 'uhh, yeah actually I knew I was lying and I knew lying to the FBI was bad, mmkay?'

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:08 pm

GungHo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:18 pm

This is so totally crazy I'm really not sure what to say about it. My 8yo wouldn't even say something this illogical.

And the beauty part is that today Flynn just shot all of that innanity down by saying 'uhh, yeah actually I knew I was lying and I knew lying to the FBI was bad, mmkay?'

Yeah, in hindsight this kind of stuff really did not help Flynn with the judge.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:08 pm

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:41 pm

GungHo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:18 pm This is so totally crazy I'm really not sure what to say about it. My 8yo wouldn't even say something this illogical.

He must have snorted three crushed up Adderall today instead of his normal two.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:36 pm

$iljanus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:19 pm Well, damn. The judge is not amused by Flynn during the sentencing hearing. From CNN:

Judge Sullivan harshly admonished Michael Flynn for acting as unregistered agent while serving as the national security adviser, leaving open the possibility of jail time for Flynn.

“All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out."
Sullivan says he could impose a sentence of incarceration.

"I am not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense," Sullivan said, straining his voice and taking a brief pause. "Yes, your honor," Flynn said, though he was not asked a question.
Instead of the slam dunk of no jail time, the judge also kept asking if Flynn would like to delay sentencing so he could have more time to cooperate with the Muller team. CNN analysts say the judge may have been hinting that he was tending toward throwing Flynn’s treasonous ass in jail and perhaps the prosecution should squeeze more out of Flynn, hence the offer to delay sentencing.

And sentencing has been delayed.

Go wheels of justice!

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Also the judge was probably not amused by Flynn and his team making allegations beforehand that the FBI tricked Flynn which were baseless. I don’t have much experience being sentenced in court but I don’t think it’s the best move to say anything other than “I accept the plea deal offered by the prosecution” which recommended no jail time. The balls on these arrogant fuckers. On the day of sentencing Flynn didn’t make any claims of FBI trickery, probably realizing the error of such thinking a little too late since the judge’s reaming began soon after.

What's really great is the GOP had high hopes for this judge being their savior.

Intelligencer wrote:What makes this turn of events so devastating is that conservatives have held out Sullivan as the judicial hero who would vindicate their theories. Fox News legal pundit Jeanine Pirro called him “a jurist unafraid of the swamp, a judge who has a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct, a man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power.” Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel praised Sullivan as “a judge who is wise to the tricks of prosecutors and investigators … His reputation is for being no-nonsense, a straight shooter, an advocate of government transparency.”

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:06 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:36 pm
$iljanus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:19 pm Well, damn. The judge is not amused by Flynn during the sentencing hearing. From CNN:

Judge Sullivan harshly admonished Michael Flynn for acting as unregistered agent while serving as the national security adviser, leaving open the possibility of jail time for Flynn.

“All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out."
Sullivan says he could impose a sentence of incarceration.

"I am not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense," Sullivan said, straining his voice and taking a brief pause. "Yes, your honor," Flynn said, though he was not asked a question.
Instead of the slam dunk of no jail time, the judge also kept asking if Flynn would like to delay sentencing so he could have more time to cooperate with the Muller team. CNN analysts say the judge may have been hinting that he was tending toward throwing Flynn’s treasonous ass in jail and perhaps the prosecution should squeeze more out of Flynn, hence the offer to delay sentencing.

And sentencing has been delayed.

Go wheels of justice!

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Also the judge was probably not amused by Flynn and his team making allegations beforehand that the FBI tricked Flynn which were baseless. I don’t have much experience being sentenced in court but I don’t think it’s the best move to say anything other than “I accept the plea deal offered by the prosecution” which recommended no jail time. The balls on these arrogant fuckers. On the day of sentencing Flynn didn’t make any claims of FBI trickery, probably realizing the error of such thinking a little too late since the judge’s reaming began soon after.
What's really great is the GOP had high hopes for this judge being their savior.

Intelligencer wrote:What makes this turn of events so devastating is that conservatives have held out Sullivan as the judicial hero who would vindicate their theories. Fox News legal pundit Jeanine Pirro called him “a jurist unafraid of the swamp, a judge who has a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct, a man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power.” Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel praised Sullivan as “a judge who is wise to the tricks of prosecutors and investigators … His reputation is for being no-nonsense, a straight shooter, an advocate of government transparency.”

You're not going to believe this, but Strassel hasn't really reevaluated her position in light of being wrong.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:31 pm

I feel like Dorothy in Kansas.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:40 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:31 pm I feel like Dorothy in Kansas.

Shunted aside and ignored by the people in your life?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:44 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:40 pm
Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:31 pm I feel like Dorothy in Kansas.
Shunted aside and ignored by the people in your life?

That's the least of it.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:47 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:44 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:40 pm
Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:31 pm I feel like Dorothy in Kansas.
Shunted aside and ignored by the people in your life?
That's the least of it.

Try to carry on, wayward son.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:11 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:47 pm
Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:44 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:40 pm
Alefroth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:31 pm I feel like Dorothy in Kansas.
Shunted aside and ignored by the people in your life?
That's the least of it.
Try to carry on, wayward son.

As long as there'll be peace when I am done.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:26 pm

Good news, Rip - looks like you'll soon be able to get two paintings of Trump for a little under $2,000:

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:59 pm

$1k, even.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:01 pm

Note - subject title has been updated to reflect the multiple investigations facing the president. Sorry it took so long