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Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:17 am
by malchior
It is worth a lot. They are demonstrating that taking a stand for values isn't hard. Unfortunately I'm guessing it'll just be swept away as partisan bickering but in essence this is basic accountability at play.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:41 am
by malchior
Hell of a thread this morning that points out a timeline that connects the story about Trump's meeting with Putin at Hamburg G20 with the adoption meeting story coming out.
All of this begs the question: What did Trump and Putin actually discuss at that impromptu one-on-one dinner meeting at the Hamburg G20 on July 7, 2017? 16/
Moreover, why did they huddle together by themselves within hours of the White House learning that the at-that-point-still-secret Trump Tower meeting between Trump, Jr. and the Russians was about to become public? 17/
Put another way, shortly after the New York Times reached out to the White House to ask about a secret meeting with the Russians, Trump himself sought a secret meeting with the Russians. 18/
Edit: Some are pointing out that this timeline was discussed by some last year but the new element to overlay is the 'confiscation' of the notes.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:29 pm
by Ralph-Wiggum
GreenGoo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:04 pm
If Cohen's father-in-law is involved in dirty money, and Drumpf knows about it, Drumpf is almost certainly also involved in it.
i.e. careful what you wish for, Mr. President.
Except at this point we already know Trump is/has been involved with all sorts of dirty money and it hasn't made any difference. He's probably feeling pretty secure in his belief that he can't be indicted when president, so there's not all that much more harm that can be done.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:39 pm
by GreenGoo
Perhaps, but only a fool points out things that so far have been missed.
Saying in public "You forgot this crime over here" is not the work of a mastermind, even if they believe they are immune.
Outside of a Bond movie I guess, but even then they wait until Bond is in their clutches before telling him their plans.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:39 am
by Smoove_B
Nothing to see here, just a reminder that Trump and Putin have met at least 5 times
and what they've discussed is still a mystery:
“What’s disconcerting is the desire to hide information from your own team,” said Andrew S. Weiss, who was a Russia adviser to President Bill Clinton. “The fact that Trump didn’t want the State Department or members of the White House team to know what he was talking with Putin about suggests it was not about advancing our country’s national interest but something more problematic.”
The mystery surrounding the meetings seems to have drawn attention from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is examining ties between the president and Russia. And it has generated a furor in Congress, where Democrats are pushing to subpoena the notes of the president’s interpreters or perhaps the interpreters themselves.
Given everything else we already know, you'd think he would want someone else there to help his argument that there's "no collusion", but I guess when you also know the GOP isn't going to make a big deal out of you destroying notes or ordering interpreters to not speak about what they heard, you do what you want.
“All five of the presidents whom I worked for, Republicans and Democrats, wanted a word-for-word set of notes, if only to protect the integrity of the American side of the conversation against later manipulation by the Soviets or the Russians,” said Victoria J. Nuland, a career diplomat who worked for Dick Cheney and Hillary Clinton, among others.
That would seem an even greater imperative for Mr. Trump, who knew there were questions about his relationship with Mr. Putin given that American intelligence agencies concluded that Moscow tried to help elect him.
I maintain that part of the reason it's taking Mueller to long is that the problem is much, much larger than Trump. He might be the focus but there's no way he was able to get this far and do this much damage on his own.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:21 pm
by Holman
Has
this thread been posted?
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:46 pm
by Dogstar
Rudy doing Rudy things.
"I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign," Giuliani said.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:38 am
by Octavious
This has to end. This is fn insane.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:10 am
by malchior
Dogstar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:46 pm
Rudy doing Rudy things.
"I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign," Giuliani said.
Giuliani is not great at the lawyer-ing profession.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:22 am
by Zarathud
Giuliani is moving the goalposts before Mueller can score.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:11 am
by Paingod
Zarathud wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:22 amGiuliani is moving the goalposts before Mueller can score.
Which is funny because Mueller is playing chess, not football.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:47 pm
by GungHo
Honestly I think exhaustion is setting in. We're getting hit with 10 95mph fastballs to the head every day and people either can't or won't process things any more. Wouldn't this story, by itself, have sunk almost any presidency all on its own?? This is..I don't even know anymore. It's crazy. But it's just Tuesday in trump world. So so sad
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:59 pm
by Defiant
Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:11 am
Zarathud wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:22 amGiuliani is moving the goalposts before Mueller can score.
Which is funny because Mueller is playing chess, not football.
I think Trump is playing Candy Land by trying to eat the pieces.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:08 pm
by Paingod
Defiant wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:59 pm
Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:11 am
Zarathud wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:22 amGiuliani is moving the goalposts before Mueller can score.
Which is funny because Mueller is playing chess, not football.
I think Trump is playing Candy Land by trying to eat the pieces.
Dude definitely pulled the Ice Cream card and immediately stuffed it in his mouth, and when the other players told him to spit it out, he started chewing spitefully.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:38 pm
by Remus West
The more of this that comes out the more and more I get pissed at James Comey. He has become a bigger and bigger idiot in my eyes every day. How he could possibly think announcing anything about Hillary's emails was important for the public to know while simultaneously believing that we did not need to know the truth regarding tRump baffles me more and more.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:42 pm
by Smoove_B
I don't know, but my feeling is that unless something he did, found, documented, etc... is used to help buttress the case against Trump, history will not be kind to Comey for the reason you mention.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:36 pm
by El Guapo
Remus West wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:38 pm
The more of this that comes out the more and more I get pissed at James Comey. He has become a bigger and bigger idiot in my eyes every day. How he could possibly think announcing anything about Hillary's emails was important for the public to know while simultaneously believing that we did not need to know the truth regarding tRump baffles me more and more.
Yeah, I agree. Pretty clearly the man meant well, but goddamn what an idiot. Comey, the New York Times, and CNN are my top 3 most responsible for Trump being president, outside of those actively working on Trump's behalf.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
by Captain Caveman
Holy hell.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:44 pm
by pr0ner
I was just coming here to post that article.
He's gotta be fucked now, right?
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:45 pm
by Captain Caveman
And... seems like there’s a ton of corroborating evidence.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:50 pm
by pr0ner
Fox News must have been talking about the Steele Dossier AGAIN tonight, because:
Oh, tomorrow morning's tweetstorm should be great.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:50 pm
by Captain Caveman
Trump’s pick for AG sure thinks this is a crime:
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:45 am
by tjg_marantz
Surprising no one, nothing on Fox News.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:01 am
by msteelers
tjg_marantz wrote:Surprising no one, nothing on Fox News.
I can’t find a mention of it on the Fox website, but it’s the lead story on their radio broadcasts.
I guess since nobody listens to radio, it’s ok to tell the truth there.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:23 am
by GreenGoo
Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:50 pm
Trump’s pick for AG sure thinks this is a crime:
That's a totally different situation. They are not comparable.
Said every GOP member ever.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:25 am
by GreenGoo
msteelers wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:01 am
I can’t find a mention of it on the Fox website, but it’s the lead story on their radio broadcasts.
I guess since nobody listens to radio, it’s ok to tell the truth there.
I assume it's related to Fox affiliates vs Fox itself, but I really don't have a clue how any of that works.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:39 am
by Toe
That is some pretty damning stuff from Cohen. I guess my question is, is there hard evidence of this? Because trump will have no issue swearing under oath that he never told Cohen that.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:50 am
by malchior
Toe wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:39 am
That is some pretty damning stuff from Cohen. I guess my question is, is there hard evidence of this? Because trump will have no issue swearing under oath that he never told Cohen that.
According to the Buzzfeed stories there is electronic evidence: email and texts that back up the story.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:58 am
by Paingod
It's all pretty flimsy. Trump hardly knew Cohen. I think they sat next to each other once on a chartered flight or something. It's not like they had a close working relationship for years and Cohen is known to record conversations and comments extensively.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:13 am
by stessier
If this is the worst, I don't think it's enough to get the Senate to convict on impeachment.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:40 am
by Remus West
stessier wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:13 am
If this is the worst, I don't think it's enough to get the Senate to convict on impeachment.
Sadly, I agree.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:51 am
by YellowKing
Senators (even the most loathsome of them) still have a duty to uphold the law. If there is clear and irrefutable evidence a crime has been committed, they'll have no choice but to turn on Trump. There's no way they go down with the ship if there's a chance to save their own skins.
That said, I think it unlikely we ever get to that point. I see Trump resigning rather than going through that whole ordeal.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:04 am
by Jeff V
YellowKing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:51 am
That said, I think it unlikely we ever get to that point. I see Trump
resigning dying in a rage-induced grabber rather than
going survivingthrough that whole ordeal.
Fixed. He won't quit. He'll refuse to believe he can't just lie his way out. Then he'll refuse to believe he can't just order his detractor's executed. And then he will try to Executive Order his way out of it. It'll be long, sad, and last to the bitter end.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:04 am
by Unagi
you guys are making me all excited.
knock it off.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:04 am
by Holman
YellowKing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:51 am
Senators (even the most loathsome of them) still have a duty to uphold the law. If there is clear and irrefutable evidence a crime has been committed, they'll have no choice but to turn on Trump. There's no way they go down with the ship if there's a chance to save their own skins.
That said, I think it unlikely we ever get to that point. I see Trump resigning rather than going through that whole ordeal.
Trump will cling to office with every orange fiber of his gelatinous being.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:14 am
by pr0ner
Trump is going after Cohen and Cohen's father-in-law AGAIN.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:15 am
by msteelers
GreenGoo wrote:msteelers wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:01 am
I can’t find a mention of it on the Fox website, but it’s the lead story on their radio broadcasts.
I guess since nobody listens to radio, it’s ok to tell the truth there.
I assume it's related to Fox affiliates vs Fox itself, but I really don't have a clue how any of that works.
It came from Fox itself. My radio station is the affiliate, playing the content created by Fox the network.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:18 am
by Unagi
pr0ner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:14 am
Trump is going after Cohen and Cohen's father-in-law AGAIN.
I can't recall what it was that I had heard, but somewhere I heard that going after the father-in-law was in some ways perhaps illegal?
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:22 am
by pr0ner
msteelers wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:15 am
GreenGoo wrote:msteelers wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:01 am
I can’t find a mention of it on the Fox website, but it’s the lead story on their radio broadcasts.
I guess since nobody listens to radio, it’s ok to tell the truth there.
I assume it's related to Fox affiliates vs Fox itself, but I really don't have a clue how any of that works.
It came from Fox itself. My radio station is the affiliate, playing the content created by Fox the network.
The top of the hour Fox News radio blurbs actually report the news.
It's entirely possible to separate the hard news side of Fox from the Trump slobbering opinion side. I watched the Fox version of Trump's Oval Office speech and heard Shep Smith roast some of Trump's lies on air.
To say all of Fox News is bad would be incorrect.
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:27 am
by pr0ner