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Posted: **Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:57 pm**

LOL, the Haitian community in Springfield has filed criminal charges against Trump and Vance for knowingly spreading lies that have wreaked havoc in the community.

Posted: **Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:31 pm**

I saw that earlier but am confused, since ‘the Haitian community’ is not an entity capable of filing criminal charges. Guess I should look past the headlines…

Posted: **Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:46 pm**

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

Posted: **Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:15 pm**

Jaymann wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:46 pm
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

The group’s attorney, Subodh Chandra, cited inaction from a prosecuting attorney in asserting Jozef's right to file the charges as a private citizen.

I remain unconvinced that this means what the headlines imply. We shall see. Nonetheless, good on em.

Posted: **Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:53 am**

From what I've read, Ohio has a statute that allows private entities/citizens to "file" criminal charges, which essentially requires a judge to hold a hearing to issue warrants or dismiss. In all likelihood this will lead to a dismissal given the broad 1st Amendment protections for political speech, but that's just my speculation.

This concept is a new one to me, and I don't know whether or not it's common to have these types of laws. Seems like it's a good way to harass those you don't like by filing criminal complaints against them, although you could argue that it gives private citizens some say when police or the local prosecutors are non-responsive or otherwise corrupt. In this case, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the Trump campaign being harassed.

Posted: **Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:10 am**

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:53 am In all likelihood this will lead to a dismissal given the broad 1st Amendment protections for political speech, but that's just my speculation.

That sounds like Supreme Court stuff in the making. Political speech vs willful misinformation and targeted hate speech. And with this Supreme Court. Whooo boy.

Posted: **Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:12 am**

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:53 am From what I've read, Ohio has a statute that allows private entities/citizens to "file" criminal charges, which essentially requires a judge to hold a hearing to issue warrants or dismiss. In all likelihood this will lead to a dismissal given the broad 1st Amendment protections for political speech, but that's just my speculation.

This concept is a new one to me, and I don't know whether or not it's common to have these types of laws. Seems like it's a good way to harass those you don't like by filing criminal complaints against them, although you could argue that it gives private citizens some say when police or the local prosecutors are non-responsive or otherwise corrupt. In this case, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the Trump campaign being harassed.

I can confirm this. It's essentially a probable cause hearing. Similar to issuing a warrant. The Judge has to examine their evidence and then can decide to issue a warrant or pass it on to the prosecutor OR dismiss it for lack of probable cause. There is 0.0% chance the Judge finds probable cause. Political speech will be protected.

Posted: **Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:14 am**

Also, this would be heard in front of a Municipal Court Judge (the lowest level judge in Ohio that handles criminal cases) and there is no chance they would want to poor more fuel on the fire by entertaining this garbage motion.

Please keep in mind I am in no way shape or form defending team Trump here, but a garbage motion should be called out for what it is.

Posted: **Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:16 am**

Hey, look! I was accidentally correct! Woo!

Posted: **Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:23 pm**

That's the safest form of correct!

Posted: **Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:32 am**

Man, I really hope every dumb ass Trump supporter takes a moment to consider the fact that they haven't ever, in their entire life, thought about Hattian immigrants until September of 2024.

Posted: **Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:58 am**

Unagi wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:32 am Man, I really hope every dumb ass Trump supporter takes a moment to consider the fact that they haven't ever, in their entire life, thought about Hattian immigrants until September of 2024.

Yes they have, just not specific to Haiti. They are in a box with any brown-skinned immigrants. THEM.

Posted: **Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:24 am**

I'd wager the vast majority of them (at least anyone outside of a border state) never really thought about immigration in general before Trump made it an issue. I looked back at "top voter issues" for 2004, 2008, and 2012 and immigration was way towards the bottom. Its importance even declined from 2008 to 2012 among all parties.

Then miraculously from 2020 to 2024, immigration being perceived as a "very important issue" in the election increased by 21% among Republicans.

Posted: **Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:35 am**

Does bordering on Canada count?

They took our jobs and are ripping of the system getting social security and medical and free college has been a thing for quite a bit longer than TFG. He just harnessed it and took it to the single issue voter.

Posted: **Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:43 pm**

Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:58 am just not specific to Haiti.

or Haitia, where Vance says they are from.

But, yeah - you are filling in my point.

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:09 pm**

LOL, Laura Loomer dumped from DonOld's campaign. Surprise, she doesn't blame him just the (R)'s.

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:55 pm**

These anti-Harris adds Trump is running non-stop during NFL football today are nasty. Unabashed anti-trans hate. Images of Harris posing for pics with people in drag and the tagline, “Trump is for us. Harris is for they/them.”

Pure evil.

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:02 pm**

Kurth wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:55 pm These anti-Harris adds Trump is running non-stop during NFL football today are nasty. Unabashed anti-trans hate. Images of Harris posing for pics with people in drag and the tagline, “Trump is for us. Harris is for they/them.”

Pure evil.

If that was your one issue it's doubtful your mind is not yet made up.

Desperado...

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:53 pm**

All over the world anti immigration lines work. In Australia in 2001 anti immigrant lines turned around a 20 point polling deficit.

(Then the winner of that election brought in millions of new people anyway.)

I was listening to the bbc world service today and it’s interesting the thought bubble on the other side lives in.

In that world Harris is a non American immigrant born to non Americans who abused the system to be able to grow up here. It’s part of some scheme by a shadowy cabal who wants to take over and destroy freedom.

Government is trying to take over our lives and only by electing someone from outside “the system” eg Donald Trump can they save America. They don’t like him but he’s better than a catholic, or a black woman.

Things like the New York mayor scandal are just examples of how “third world governance” (a dog whistle for black leadership) will “destroy America”. That our Supreme Court and Eileen Canon have done worse isn’t considered a factor.

Another interesting thing is that a lot of rumours and anti Harris and anti immigrant articles originate out of only a few places.

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:27 pm**

So his solution to lower crime is…The Purge, basically.

Awesome.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHQ/status/1840526130031317329

Trump says his idea for stopping crime is to allow for “one really violent day”: “One rough hour, and I mean real rough...”

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:46 pm**

Jesus Christ. What a fucking moron.

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:53 pm**

This is what I was talking about in the other thread, that I didn't think Trump would be mentally capable to run in 2028. HIs cognitive decline is apparent. He's been saying stuff just this weekend that is crazy even for Trump. Part of it is age, but perhaps the larger part is that he is a clinical narcissist, and clinical narcissists can't handle being on the losing end of the stick. He's toast, he knows it, and his mind is breaking.

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:47 pm**

A lot of folk would like a chance to Purge I think. And its concepts in the movie are eerily close to what maga talks about.

We saw in the Philippines when their president declared open season on “drug dealers” a lot of innocent people got shot dead without due process or punishment. Is that what he’s proposing?

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:11 pm**

YellowKing wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:53 pm He's toast, he knows it, and his mind is breaking.

I think you're right. Every day, the trend looks a wee bit better, and his slow-motion meltdown only reinforces it.

Posted: **Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:14 pm**

waitingtoconnect wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:47 pm A lot of folk would like a chance to Purge I think. And its concepts in the movie are eerily close to what maga talks about.

We saw in the Philippines when their president declared open season on “drug dealers” a lot of innocent people got shot dead without due process or punishment. Is that what he’s proposing?

I don’t see what everyone is worried about. The cops would totally pinky swear to only use the ultra-violence on the super duper bad guys who totally deserved it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:00 am**

As Twitter replies pointed out, a better comparison is Kristallnacht. Comparing it to The Purge makes it a kind of joke. But that was civilian-on-civilian violence. He's talking about violence committed by the state. When we recall cases of this actually happening it makes me sick in the pit of my stomach.

I want to believe the depraved, lunatic seeds he continues to plant will never sprout. But as this powder keg continues to build, I'm terrified that these events are very possible. And some of them seem possible even if Harris wins. But at least they wouldn't be propagated by the party in power, I guess. But it remains distressing how even in defeat these fires are being stoked in the hearts of his followers, who may live on politically in large quantities. It's still incomprehensible to me how we got here. Once I believed many of his true believers were decent people who were just ignorant and confused. But how they don't see this for what it is and condemn it eludes me.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:14 am**

Sudy wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:00 am
Once I believed many of his true believers were decent people who were just ignorant and confused. But how they don't see this for what it is and condemn it eludes me.

It's getting harder and harder to make the case that Trump fallowers are decent people, but just uninformed. The evidence keeps piling up that they are totally ok with shredding the constitution, installing a dictator, and running roughshod over their fellow citizens.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:16 am**

gbasden wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:14 am
Sudy wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:00 am
Once I believed many of his true believers were decent people who were just ignorant and confused. But how they don't see this for what it is and condemn it eludes me.
It's getting harder and harder to make the case that Trump fallowers are decent people, but just uninformed. The evidence keeps piling up that they are totally ok with shredding the constitution, installing a dictator, and running roughshod over their fellow citizens.

Well, when your only alternative is baby-killing pedophiles….

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:19 am**

As my friends of color keep telling me trump just wants things back the way they were pre-1960, a white mans America. Womens and minority rights mean nothing to him.

They figure that’s why so many white folk want trump in. They don’t want to share America.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:13 am**

Sudy wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:00 am a better comparison is Kristallnacht.

I suspect that Trump & Co's wet dream is a purge (rather than The Purge) in the sense of The Night of Long Knives, where he whittles down his enemy list, with a side of Kristallnacht vigilantism to provide a show for the rubes.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:10 am**

Max Peck wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:13 am
Sudy wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:00 am a better comparison is Kristallnacht.
I suspect that Trump & Co's wet dream is a purge (rather than The Purge) in the sense of The Night of Long Knives, where he whittles down his enemy list, with a side of Kristallnacht vigilantism to provide a show for the rubes.

In this country's history we call this "lynching"

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:56 am**

$iljanus wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:10 am
Max Peck wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:13 am
Sudy wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:00 am a better comparison is Kristallnacht.
I suspect that Trump & Co's wet dream is a purge (rather than The Purge) in the sense of The Night of Long Knives, where he whittles down his enemy list, with a side of Kristallnacht vigilantism to provide a show for the rubes.
In this country's history we call this "lynching"

So if it is the President ordering mass murder he can't be prosecuted?

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:50 am**

The ugly:

https://twitter.com/billkristol/status/ ... NcXCfN8s1g

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:49 pm**

Come on Haley voters. Do it!

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:05 pm**

And yet its still 48%..a big number of morons and assholes. This country really sucks when it comes to citizens. Ive noticed a trend that smart folk vote for Harris and the dumb vote for tRump.

More and more though from what I see online I think tRump is losing more and more voters as the election draws closer. I think he will lose.

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:07 pm**

The number of Republicans planning on voting for Harris has jumped from 4% to 9% in the last month alone. And I still think there is a not insignificant number of Republican voters who will vote for Harris in secret.

I saw an interesting analysis that said the national polling margin of Harris up by 3-4% may not be an accurate reflection of her electoral college chances, because part of Trump's competitiveness at the national level is from increased Republican support in high population blue states like California and New York. The conclusion was that Trump may look more competitive in the national polling than he actually is, as his gains in those blue states don't translate to any gain in the electoral college.

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:12 pm**

Do you mean Republicans planning on voting for Harris?

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:17 pm**

All these good markers for Harris, yet the swing states still stubbornly remain within less than two points.

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:19 pm**

Alefroth wrote:Do you mean Republicans planning on voting for Harris?

Thanks Alefroth, corrected. My fingers got ahead of my brain.

Posted: **Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:19 pm**

I strongly suspect this election will be won or lost based on the number of people voting for the first time - those that hadn't voted in 2020 or 2016. If non-voters can't be mobilized, I genuinely think we're at a coin-toss, mainly because of Electoral College shenanigans.

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