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Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:20 pm
by GreenGoo
Alefroth wrote:GreenGoo wrote:I'm thinking about obtaining American citizenship just so I can vote against Drumpf, if that tells you anything.
Why bother with citizenship? What's one more out of 11 million?
Excellent point. See you in...November, is it?
Now you've got to build 2 walls.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:09 pm
by Alefroth
GreenGoo wrote:Alefroth wrote:GreenGoo wrote:I'm thinking about obtaining American citizenship just so I can vote against Drumpf, if that tells you anything.
Why bother with citizenship? What's one more out of 11 million?
Excellent point. See you in...November, is it?
Now you've got to build 2 walls.
Better make it October so you can vote as often as possible.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:10 pm
by tgb
GreenGoo wrote:Alefroth wrote:GreenGoo wrote:I'm thinking about obtaining American citizenship just so I can vote against Drumpf, if that tells you anything.
Why bother with citizenship? What's one more out of 11 million?
Excellent point. See you in...November, is it?
Now you've got to build 2 walls.
We have to send Beiber back first.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:41 pm
by Rip
Like I said once Donald wins we are doing a Crimea. We won't need a wall up there. We will keep the Canadian's we like and send the rest back to England and France.......
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:49 pm
by Isgrimnur
If you like your Canadian, you can keep your Canadian.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:37 am
by Default
tgb wrote:GreenGoo wrote:Alefroth wrote:GreenGoo wrote:I'm thinking about obtaining American citizenship just so I can vote against Drumpf, if that tells you anything.
Why bother with citizenship? What's one more out of 11 million?
Excellent point. See you in...November, is it?
Now you've got to build 2 walls.
We have to send Beiber back first.
Bring a taco truck.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:31 am
by gilraen
Rip wrote:Like I said once Donald wins we are doing a Crimea. We won't need a wall up there. We will keep the Canadian's we like and send the rest back to England and France.......
But who'll take Ted Cruz?
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:44 am
by Rip
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
Just two months after voting to leave the European Union (EU), the UK has announced the construction of a “great wall” near its most porous border in Calais, to keep illegal migrants out.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09 ... -migrants/
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:46 am
by hepcat
All that proves is that some people aren't smart enough to learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:47 am
by Rip
hepcat wrote:All that proves is that some people aren't smart enough to learn from the mistakes of others.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:49 am
by hepcat
Oh, I saw what you did there.
Anyway, a one kilometer fence is a far cry from a wall that stretches across the entire southern border of the United States. So any equivalency you're trying to make is invalid even before we get to the issue of whether or not it's the right thing to do.
By the way,
did you know we already have walls on the border? It seems like you're unaware of that fact, which is why I bring it up.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:10 am
by Archinerd
Proposed Calais wall location.
I don't know if this good or bad, but lets not pretend this is equivalent to Trumps proposed wall.
BBC
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:24 am
by Rip
A little ironic that the same people who call you a racist immigrant hater for opposing illegal immigration don't want to compare any walls/fences unless the use and size is exactly the same.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:26 am
by tgb
Rip wrote:Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
Just two months after voting to leave the European Union (EU), the UK has announced the construction of a “great wall” near its most porous border in Calais, to keep illegal migrants out.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09 ... -migrants/
I'll believe it when I see it listed as a Wonder in Civ VII.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:29 am
by El Guapo
Rip wrote:A little ironic that the same people who call you a racist immigrant hater for opposing illegal immigration don't want to compare any walls/fences unless the use and size is exactly the same.
How is that ironic?
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:45 am
by hepcat
He's not quite sure what ironic means. I think we've established that over the course of the last few years, don't you?
Anyway...
No one here is calling out anyone who opposes illegal immigration. They're calling out those who want to round up people in the states based on the color of their skin, or their religion. They're calling out a presidential candidate who tries to convince everyone that anyone with brown skin, or wearing a burka, is a threat to American lives.
Absolutely no one here has ever once stated that they'd like to head to our borders and prevent border guards from doing their job. No one here has ever said that we should throw open our borders and allow everyone to come in unchecked.
I repeat: no one.
Besides, you're the one that compared being a conservative to living under Sharia law, weren't you? Why are you still defending their party platforms?
...oh...wait...is the answer "Hillary Goddamn Clinton"?
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:02 am
by Archinerd
Rip wrote:A little ironic that the same people who call you a racist immigrant hater for opposing illegal immigration don't want to compare any walls/fences unless the use and size is exactly the same.
Right.
So in the top left corner there is a scale that gives both Imperial and Metric dimensions (feel free to use which ever you are most comfortable with). The two frames on the right are zoomed out views of the city and of France to provide reference to where Calais is and to give you a sense of scale. The bottom one is of the city itself and the top one shows the location of the city in France. France is a country in Europe, which unfortunately is not shown. That's not a problem though, because it's not in America so it's not significant.
I hope that helps!
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:06 am
by Rip
It is ironic because immigration and illegal immigration are not even close to the same thing. I can be want to do everything possible to stop illegal immigration and still like legal immigration and not be racist at all.
Many of you like to talk about them as though they are the same thing, but then complain about a wall not being the same because one is longer than the other. Despite being used for the same purpose and being pretty effective at it.
In the end it doesn't much matter because in reality what the Tim Kaines of the world fear is that it will be effective. Because the don't want illegal aliens to go home.
Just ask Ray Tranchant.
My 16-year-old daughter, Tessa, was killed by an illegal immigrant in Virginia Beach three years ago while sitting at a stop light. Her friend Ali Kunhardt, 17, also perished instantly.
Beautiful girls with tons of future plans, they had just stopped at a convenience store for a pack of gum at 10 on a Friday night. I can imagine that they were giggling about something as they waited for the red light to turn green. Tessa was in the passenger seat. I’ll never forget her laugh.
The explosion was so loud that witnesses said it sounded like a bomb going off, hit from behind by a black Mitsubishi going more than 70 mph. They were tiny, skinny little girls stuffed somewhere in the floorboards when the police and EMT crew arrived.
When I got to the hospital in what seemed like a dream sequence, Tessa’s bed was lying next to Ali’s, separated by a privacy curtain. Both girls were perfectly still, skin cold to the touch.
Tess was covered with a hospital blanket, and her clothes lay in a bag by her bedside, cut off by the EMT and the ER doctor who tried to revive her, to no avail. I looked at her large brown eyes, pupils dilated, eyes wide open, staring at the ceiling. She still had a mask taped to her mouth with a long rubber tube. The center of the tube was filled with bright red blood. Amazingly, she had only a little bruise on her forehead, and her big toe was bleeding. I noticed that she had had a couple of her nails done with glitter, probably had just enough money to do two. She worked at the Golden Corral; Ali worked at The Fresh Market.
I hadn’t seen Tessa in a few days, and I had to laugh at her forearm. Hard to believe you can laugh with such horror around you, but I did. She had previously told me that she suffered from the “Tranchant curse” — dark hair on her skinny little perfect arms — and apparently she had shaved it all off (her way of getting even, I guess).
Alfredo Ramos, a previous DUI offender and alcoholic, seemed invisible in a system that was good at looking the other way. Virginia Beach and Chesapeake were being accused of being “sanctuary cities” as Bill O’Reilly and Geraldo Rivera screamed at each other during the national news hour. O’Reilly was right.
I know what sanctuary means more than most ever will.
Ramos was actually smug at the trial and took his lumps: 40 years in prison. There was nothing I could do but forgive him; forgiveness cleanses the soul. He was an uneducated foreigner patronized by local merchants who needed cheap labor.
Hundreds of thousands of illegals in Virginia do the same. We don’t share a border with Mexico, so the awareness here isn’t as great as Arizona or California.
But the dilemma in Arizona is more important to Virginians than it seems.
Tranchant said that when asked, Kaine’s office indicated that he was “not interested” in enforcing U.S. immigration law.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:08 am
by Rip
I want to kick out and prevent from entering ALL illegal immigrants. I don't give a crap what color their skin is.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:10 am
by Isgrimnur
Nice to know that stopping illegal immigration will also solve our DUI problem.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:14 am
by Archinerd
Isgrimnur wrote:Nice to know that stopping illegal immigration building an impractical wall will also solve our DUI problem.
FTFY
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:55 am
by hepcat
Rip wrote:It is ironic because immigration and illegal immigration are not even close to the same thing. I can be want to do everything possible to stop illegal immigration and still like legal immigration and not be racist at all.
Many of you like to talk about them as though they are the same thing, but then complain about a wall not being the same because one is RW than the other. Despite being used for the same purpose and being pretty effective at it.
In the end it doesn't much matter because in reality what the Tim Kaines of the world fear is that it will be effective. Because the don't want illegal aliens to go home.
That's not even coincidence, irony's closest relative.
The rest of your post is your usual attempt to move the goalpost after you realize you've either gone down an indefensible path, or you're simply not understanding the responses to your posts.
Rip wrote:I want to kick out and prevent from entering ALL illegal immigrants. I don't give a crap what color their skin is.
The moment they round up someone who looks like you, you'll start bitching about the government going too far.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:58 am
by LawBeefaroni
Archinerd wrote:Isgrimnur wrote:Nice to know that stopping illegal immigration building an impractical wall will also solve our DUI problem.
FTFY
Seems like making it harder for illegal immigrants to do things like get cars and drive them, and penalizing those who enable them, would be a much easier solution, if the problem is drunk illegal immigrants causing road fatalities.
Tilting at windmillsBuilding an impossible wall is overkill.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:04 am
by Isgrimnur
Dallas Morning News
What does it mean to be a Republican?
For generations, the answer had been clear: A belief in individual liberty. Free markets. Strong national defense.
But what does it mean to be a Republican today? With Donald Trump as the party's new standard-bearer, it's impossible to say.
...
Donald Trump is no Republican and certainly no conservative.
Individual liberty? Trump has displayed an authoritarian streak that should horrify limited-government advocates.
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Free markets? Economic conservatism? Ronald Reagan once said that "protectionism is destructionism." Trump, on the other hand, has called the Trans-Pacific Partnership "a rape of our country."
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Strong national defense? Trump pledges to make our military "so big, so powerful, so strong that nobody — absolutely nobody — is going to mess with us." But what does he want to do with that military? He says he supports killing the families of Muslim terrorists and allowing interrogation methods "a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding." And if the military balks at obeying such orders? "If I say do it, they're gonna do it," he says.
...
It's not easy to offer a shorthand list of such tenets, since Trump flips from one side to the other, issue after issue, sometimes within a single news cycle. Regardless, his ideas are so far from Republicanism that they have spawned a new description: Trumpism.
We have no interest in a Republican nominee for whom all principles are negotiable, nor in a Republican Party that is willing to trade away principle for pursuit of electoral victory.
Trump doesn't reflect Republican ideals of the past; we are certain he shouldn't reflect the GOP of the future.
Donald Trump is not qualified to serve as president and does not deserve your vote.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:15 am
by hepcat
Rip has all the facts he needs to convince him that Trump is his man: the majority of us don't like him.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:36 am
by tgb
I'll believe this country is serious about stopping illegal immigration when they start raiding Motel 6, Wal-Mart, and the kitchens of fine dining restaurants.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:48 am
by Skinypupy
tgb wrote:I'll believe this country is serious about stopping illegal immigration when they start raiding Motel 6, Wal-Mart, and the kitchens of fine dining restaurants.
It's fascinating to me that while Trump screams about building walls, immigrants taking our jobs, mass deportations, etc., there's never been a single peep about cracking down on the businesses that employ the illegal immigrants. Wouldn't that be step one?
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:50 am
by Isgrimnur
Skinypupy wrote:tgb wrote:I'll believe this country is serious about stopping illegal immigration when they start raiding Motel 6, Wal-Mart, and the kitchens of fine dining restaurants.
It's fascinating to me that while Trump screams about building walls, immigrants taking our jobs, mass deportations, etc., there's never been a single peep about cracking down on the businesses that employ the illegal immigrants. Wouldn't that be step one?
Why do you support job-killing regulation?
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:52 am
by Isgrimnur
End of the
blacklist:
CNN reports that Donald Trump will tear up his media blacklist Thursday and extend credentials to The Washington Post, Politico, BuzzFeed and other news outlets previously barred from the press section at campaign events because of what the candidate deemed unfair coverage.
"I figure they can't treat me any worse!" Trump told CNN.
As a practical matter, the move doesn't change much. With few exceptions, reporters from blacklisted media companies have managed to cover Trump rallies by mingling with the crowd. But the Republican presidential nominee's olive branch could signal a new era of relative civility for the stretch run to Election Day.
Last week, the Trump campaign instituted a print pool that included in its rotation several news organizations on the blacklist. Trump running mate Mike Pence had suggested in July that he would push for the campaign to lift its ban on certain outlets after a Washington Post reporter was denied general admission to an event in Wisconsin.
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Trump has, however, scaled back the number of interviews he grants to TV networks other than Fox News in recent weeks, suggesting that there are limits to his new press openness.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:12 pm
by El Guapo
Rip wrote:It is ironic because immigration and illegal immigration are not even close to the same thing. I can be want to do everything possible to stop illegal immigration and still like legal immigration and not be racist at all.
I see you consulted with Alanis Morrissette on your irony analysis.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:12 pm
by Isgrimnur
It's like ten thousand mules when all you need is a coyote.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:21 pm
by hepcat
You two are just being ironic.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:23 pm
by Isgrimnur
I prefer to be pedantic. Cardio beats weight training for long-term benefits.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:23 pm
by LordMortis
Coyote doesn't sound like knife. I'm disappointed.
How about Kiang?
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:27 pm
by hepcat
I think Rip was actually closer to the definition of ironing than he was to irony.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:32 pm
by El Guapo
USA Freedom Kids are officially suing Trump.
Hopefully their attorney is dealing from strength.
Seriously though, if Trump wins I might literally go insane. If being actively sued in federal court for fraud AND being sued by cute children for stiffing them AND attacking POWs AND everything else isn't enough to defeat him, it might unmoor my understanding of cause and effect in the universe.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:43 pm
by hepcat
They should contract out to Kim Jong-un. At least he doesn't stiff people. You might get shot with a howitzer for wearing blue on a Tuesday, but the check will clear.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:44 pm
by LordMortis
El Guapo wrote:USA Freedom Kids are officially suing Trump.
Hopefully their attorney is dealing from strength.
Seriously though, if Trump wins I might literally go insane. If being actively sued in federal court for fraud AND being sued by cute children for stiffing them AND attacking POWs AND everything else isn't enough to defeat him, it might unmoor my understanding of cause and effect in the universe.
I wonder if he fancies himself the righteously wronged by the treachery of humanity Elrond from the movies. "Our list of allies grows thin, Gandalf."
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:53 pm
by El Guapo
hepcat wrote:They should contract out to Kim Jong-un. At least he doesn't stiff people. You might get shot with a howitzer for wearing blue on a Tuesday, but the check will clear.
It's a hardcore communist state - I'm not sure you get a check. You might get 'paid' in Kim Jong-un propaganda and Juche-related reading material.
Re: The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:57 pm
by hepcat
You get paid in Jong Dollars. 1 Jong Dollar equals 8 seconds of phone time with a prerecorded Kim Jong-un telling you about that time he golfed a perfect game...while blindfolded...and riding backwards on a unicorn.