Game Over - Team Zero (Brendan and Unagi) has won.

[theohall]

I can buy the idea that Triggercut had to soften his play after Bubbles got fingered as he's clearly toned it down in the aftermath. As obvious a candidate theohall is for his overt statements of support for Bubbles, it would be insanely tone-deaf for a second evil player to support someone so demonstrably if he knew he was a baddie.

Anyway, I'm good with  Triggercut 
 

Keep in mind that there are two evil teams and if one of them were to want to try and play doctor he would need some ground work.......not that I think you forgot that.

triggercut is near the top of my list but there are others more in need of having their heads examined IMO.

So triggercut is near the top of your list; he needs some ground work to play doctor; so you want to examine someone else's head giving triggercut more groundwork??? But he's excused from your N-1 statement for some unknown reason. which is implied by the non-vote.

[sarcasm]Nice to see you sticking to your guns on your N-1 statement.[/sarcasm] Makes me think you know something the rest of us don't - and it's not about good guys.

[theohall]

And trig has lingered at 5 votes for seven hours.

 withdraw triggercut 
 

Doesn't that increase his odds of being evil?

 triggercut 
 

FYI - I don't think you are evil any more Austin. Remus just jumped to the top of my list, right behind triggercut.

[Unagi]

I'm 100% on board testing Triggercut, it would be nice if he could chime in here.

[Chaosraven]

And trig has lingered at 5 votes for seven hours.

 withdraw triggercut 
 

Doesn't that increase his odds of being evil?

 triggercut 
 

Depends.

Who has voted for him, who hasn't, and what does it mean?

The Remus stuff is bothering me.

[theohall]

I'm 100% on board testing Triggercut, it would be nice if he could chime in here.

IMO - this either moves today (Friday Aug 7) or we wind up waiting until Monday for something to happen. Especially with Sean's limited internet on weekends and everyone doing stuff on weekends - like we all should.

It would be nice to hear from trig, but if he's gonna pull the silent treatment without letting anyone know why - like everyone else whose disappeared in this ship has managed before disappearing - we shouldn't keep waiting all weekend.

[Chaosraven]

 triggercut 
 


And let the dice fall where they may.

[Newcastle]

so that's 6 for triggercut....now i only wonder if i'll see the result before i leave

(aside meta - i dont know if its sad or not, but am curious to see what triggercut is before i leave for a bachelor party in 6 hours... )

[Sean, Minister of KtSP]

 Voting is closed. 
 

[Sean, Minister of KtSP]

Major Koch appears on the view screen. "So, you decided to put Triggercut in the brain slicing machine, eh? Well the Brain Slicing machine is broken, so we'll just have to use this..."

He activates a switch somewhere out of frame. A large rectangular section of the wall pops free and rolls over to Triggercut. Two robotic limbs pop out of the wall section and grab him by the wrists, pulling him splayed. Two more robotic limbs with large metal fists appear, and begin punching him repeatedly in the face.

It takes several minutes for Triggercut to die, and blood, bone and brains are flung all over everyone's faces.

Major Koch says, "According to the initial reports, you guys just killed another good guy. And he wasn't infected, either. Good job. Go to bed."

[Austin]

Super.

[Vorret]

haha owned.
ok I'm out sorry.

[Lassr]

<Golf Clap>

[Unagi]

Ok, I honestly thought his total abscence while this train (wreck) was forming, was perhaps his only play to make to try and just ride it out and come out 'accepted'

[Isgrimnur]

So what's your defense, Brendan?

[stessier]

Why didn't we wait until he said something? I don't see that explained anywhere.

[Brendan]

So what's your defense, Brendan?

What sort of defense can I mount other than "Based on his play, I thought he was a reasonably good bet to be a bad guy"?

Why didn't we wait until he said something? I don't see that explained anywhere.

Yeah - all that waiting for him to make a case for himself and, y'know, reveal any role we might not wanted to have executed and it all ends abruptly. Was the goal to satisfy theohall's curiosity prior to the weekend??

As obvious a candidate theohall is for his overt statements of support for Bubbles, it would be insanely tone-deaf for a second evil player to support someone so demonstrably if he knew he was a baddie.

Anyway, I'm good with  Triggercut 
 

Keep in mind that there are two evil teams and if one of them were to want to try and play doctor he would need some ground work.......not that I think you forgot that.

So triggercut is near the top of your list; he needs some ground work to play doctor; so you want to examine someone else's head giving triggercut more groundwork???

I'm pretty sure Remus was saying that you're the one preparing to play doctor as a potential (probable?) member of the second evil team. "Y'all just killed an innocent janitor!" followed at some later date by "I, theohall, am the doctor, ergo my claim for Bubbles' innocence!" That plan seems to have been squelched by Bubbles', y'know, guilt.

[theohall]

So what's your defense, Brendan?

What sort of defense can I mount other than "Based on his play, I thought he was a reasonably good bet to be a bad guy"?

Why didn't we wait until he said something? I don't see that explained anywhere.

Yeah - all that waiting for him to make a case for himself and, y'know, reveal any role we might not wanted to have executed and it all ends abruptly. Was the goal to satisfy theohall's curiosity prior to the weekend??

As obvious a candidate theohall is for his overt statements of support for Bubbles, it would be insanely tone-deaf for a second evil player to support someone so demonstrably if he knew he was a baddie.

Anyway, I'm good with  Triggercut 
 

Keep in mind that there are two evil teams and if one of them were to want to try and play doctor he would need some ground work.......not that I think you forgot that.

So triggercut is near the top of your list; he needs some ground work to play doctor; so you want to examine someone else's head giving triggercut more groundwork???

I'm pretty sure Remus was saying that you're the one preparing to play doctor as a potential (probable?) member of the second evil team. "Y'all just killed an innocent janitor!" followed at some later date by "I, theohall, am the doctor, ergo my claim for Bubbles' innocence!" That plan seems to have been squelched by Bubbles', y'know, guilt.

Unfortunately, it seems I'm committing Remuscide - which you will all find out when I'm dead... seeing as I'm more than likely next. No way out of these two colossal blunders.

[triggercut]

You guys are idiots.

[Chaosraven]

:angrybinky:

I'll translate for the dead... we're idiots =

[stessier]

:angrybinky:

I'll translate for the dead... we're idiots =

Cool, I didn't know we had a Medium in this game!

[Sean, Minister of KtSP]

Everyone but Lassr assembles the next morning. After waiting a few minutes to see if he arrives on his own, you all go look in his room, and find chewed bits and pieces all over his bed.

Lassr is dead.

It is day.

[Sean, Minister of KtSP]

15. pr0ner
11. Tru1cy
5. Semaj
1. Mr. Bubbles
7. Lassr
14. Triggercut


2. stessier
3. Theohall
4. Austin
6. Chaosraven
8. Newcastle
9. Isgrimnur
10. Remus West
12. Brendan
13. Unagi



Majority is 5.

[Chaosraven]

15. pr0ner - killed
11. Tru1cy - lynched (no role claimed), uninfected
5. Semaj - killed
1. Mr. Bubbles - Mutant1 (assumed due to no 'splodie)
7. Lassr - killed
14. Triggercut - lynched, uninfected

Therefore we should have:

Mutant2, PZ, IP, and up to 3 infected players:

2. stessier
3. Theohall
4. Austin
6. Chaosraven
8. Newcastle
9. Isgrimnur
10. Remus West
12. Brendan
13. Unagi

----------------------------

Possibilities -
pr0ner, Semaj, or Lassr was PZ.

If Bubbles was M1, then the Mutant Team lost their scan for PZ, making Lassr less likely a kill for that reason.
pr0ner could have been scanned previous to Bubbles demise, making him the target.

[Chaosraven]

2. stessier
3. Theohall
4. Austin
6. Chaosraven
8. Newcastle
9. Isgrimnur
10. Remus West
12. Brendan
13. Unagi

could also contain:

4 Good Specials
Doctor, who should have 4 scans at this point
Nurse, who should have 3 scans of the dead
Medtech1
Medtech2

Now the Doctor cannot be PZ, but could be M2
The Nurse could be PZ, IP, or M2.

However, prior to Lassrs demise we received notification that triggercut was Not Infected -

So either or both of the Doctor Nurse are still alive.
The rules don't seem to reflect loss of Infection reveal based on conversion of either or both, just "alive"

If Medtech2 uses the shot, Medtech2 is "proven" to not be PZ or M2 (albeit only to his partner)

[Chaosraven]

With 9 Players, and possibly 5 Infected (including PZ and IP), we lynch to 8
M2 kill to 7, PZ infects again
Could leave us at 7 Players with 6 infected, and a game loss to Patient Zero tomorrow after 2 Uninfected Lynches (also assuming a noninfected kill)

Worst case of course assuming none of Semaj, pr0ner, or Lassr was infected.

[Lassr]

[Remus West]

I am very alright with testing Theohall right now. Early on I was wary of that because I felt he was hinting at being the Doctor. His play during the Bubbles thing seemed to be more of an evil that felt threatened trying to position himself for a play. I am not likely to check back in before Monday sometime (whenever I get home) so I'm going to wait on the vote for now but that is definitely where my feelings right now are.

[Austin]

I think we might need some help from specials today.

[Unagi]

I agree that we should get a little help from specials today.
I'm also going to be reluctant to fully trust them this late in the game (although the loss of M1 is helpful to some degree in regard to knowing what role to be faked)

I also found theohall's lament at being doomed due to 'his' mistaken triggercut vote to be a little "woe is me".

Newcastle and Theohall are my main picks right now, but we should all wait a little to hear if there is any special direction coming.

[theohall]

Just a thought....

I find it interesting the kill happens late at night on Saturday night/Early Sunday morning and suddenly - within an hour - Chaosraven is suddenly trying to be Mr. Helpful with informative posts. But - do what you will.

I'm just a janitor
everywhere I go
people know the part
I'm playing

Taking out the trash
Trying to stay cool
every night some life
betraying

There will come a day
good will pass away
then what will they say
about me

[Austin]

 theohall 
 


Just to be on record. Still would like to hear from specials but like Unagi, I am a bit suspicious. His theohall and Newcastle picks are also my picks fwiw. I probably should have stuck with theohall yesterday but the stall on Trig made me think about evils refusing to vote for one of their own; but that's more of a 2 team game strat I suppose. Without any clue and with two evil teams it's pretty much a crapshoot every day. /shrug.

[Isgrimnur]

You want help from specials? I'll give you help from the specials. I finally have information that's new and somewhat enlightening.

• tru1cy - Janitor
• Bubbles - Mutant 1
• pr0ner - Doctor

So unfortunately, we're never going to get to see the doctor's scans. Time to start parsing pr0ner's play and see what he was hinting at.

[Unagi]

Ok, just curious as to why you scanned bubbles and not Semaj?

[Chaosraven]

Just a thought....

I find it interesting the kill happens late at night on Saturday night/Early Sunday morning and suddenly - within an hour - Chaosraven is suddenly trying to be Mr. Helpful with informative posts. But - do what you will.

Indeed it is, especially considering my popping in and landing an odd vote here and there, checking in but not posting, and yet generally not ezmating my continual absence. Maybe I'm a sneaky bad guy. You should get me lynched to find out.

[theohall]

Just a thought....

I find it interesting the kill happens late at night on Saturday night/Early Sunday morning and suddenly - within an hour - Chaosraven is suddenly trying to be Mr. Helpful with informative posts. But - do what you will.

Indeed it is, especially considering my popping in and landing an odd vote here and there, checking in but not posting, and yet generally not ezmating my continual absence. Maybe I'm a sneaky bad guy. You should get me lynched to find out.

We all know that's not going to happen - Mr. deciding vote on the triggercut kill

[Brendan]

You want help from specials? I'll give you help from the specials. I finally have information that's new and somewhat enlightening.

• tru1cy - Janitor
• Bubbles - Mutant 1
• pr0ner - Doctor

So unfortunately, we're never going to get to see the doctor's scans. Time to start parsing pr0ner's play and see what he was hinting at.

Presuming this is all valid information, pr0ner's voting pattern (unchanged, I believe, since stessier's last analysis) was:

• pr0ner acc Isgrimnur (1)
  pr0ner wd Isgrimnur (1)
  pr0ner acc stessier (3)
  pr0ner wd stessier (1)
  pr0ner acc theohall (4)
  pr0ner wd theohall (1)
  pr0ner acc Bubbles (6)

[Brendan]

If Medtech2 uses the shot, Medtech2 is "proven" to not be PZ or M2 (albeit only to his partner)

While the shot is non-revealing, clearly if someone announced publically "I'm med tech 2, and I'm shooting X today," prior to the event actually occurring that'd be pretty conclusive (barring the case where they were infected and their shot was redirected by the patient zero team, which would obviously throw a wrench in things for him.)

[Brendan]

Presuming this is all valid information, pr0ner's voting pattern (unchanged, I believe, since stessier's last analysis) was:

• pr0ner acc Isgrimnur (1)
  pr0ner wd Isgrimnur (1)
  pr0ner acc stessier (3)
  pr0ner wd stessier (1)
  pr0ner acc theohall (4)
  pr0ner wd theohall (1)
  pr0ner acc Bubbles (6)

Oh, I'll have to go back and check, but I believe all these votes were made after two nights where the doctor was able to scan. Perhaps three? Regardless, he clearly couldn't have verified all 4 people on this list.

[Unagi]

The 'accuse' and 'withdraw' pattern, IMO, seems to imply a doctor who had yet to find anythng condeming. I'd have to go back and read the language around the withdraws to see if any if them could sound "clearing" in nature.

It seems clear to me that isgrimnur is indeed the holder of the nurse role.


Regarding the shooter, I think it's clear he can 'prove' he was assigned the shooter role (via the foreshadowing of a shot), but there is no telling if he was infected or m2ed.

Pehaps the medtechs should indeed just stay hidden. Not sure (regarding infections) if there is any point in us learning who they are, just to talk endlessly about the odds that they are infected

I'll wait until work tomorrow to place my vote.

I also do want to talk a little about "the chaos thing", but gotta run right now.

[Newcastle]

Am sorry guys. I really am. I was wrong, and well...crud-ola. Again thought that since he decided to stay so quiet despite popping in and out (through the course of the game) was an indication of guilt...again am wrong.

From the triggercut bandwagon that I helped orchestrate, can see why you guys would think i'd be guilty as sin...but I am good guy here (unsure if infected though). If you think it would be best to lynch go right on ahead, only thing you will lose is a hit point for the village though. But if it's clouding people's vision, might be a good thing.

Not sure how many misses we got left. We also have to factor in the exploding bad dude. Something that we might want to contemplate (will do that tomorrow, am pretty fricking tired right now, so not thinking too straight)

Thanks isgrinmur with our dead scans, thats actually pretty critical so now we know that hte doctor was in fact proner, so that way we do know for certain that that role can not be spoofed (assumingn you are the nurse, but am taking it at face value).

As far as proner...i think we'd probably want to go through his statements and see if he found anything in anything. It wont be a heavy amount, but at the same time, maybe he left some sort of trace indicating someones innocence or guilt.