Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:42 pm

So far:

stessier, bb2112, and Kraegor are the three players who haven't checked in.

Did I miss anyone?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:04 pm

redrun wrote:
triggercut wrote:
redrun wrote:I just attemped to swipe Newcastle's card. Newcastle had no card to swipe.

Newcastle

Whoah. Hey Newcastle? Care to explain why you Deadlined us?
I'm so trustable that you don't even need to ask Newcastle his side of the story, if he has really did play a card, and if so, which card he played?

Did you see me vote against Newcastle?

Do you think maybe, juuuuuuust maaaaybe I was doing some poking?

You probably think this post is about you, Carly.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:05 pm

theohall wrote:And there are lots of cards Newcastle could play with which he would not want to reveal what was played.

Hmm. There are a couple, I guess. I remain suspicious but intrigued by all this.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:41 pm

theohall wrote:And there are lots of cards Newcastle could play with which he would not want to reveal what was played.

No, there are not "lots of cards" that would hurt the village by being revealed.

There are only two cards that he might possibly want to keep secret. One of which I would hope he wouldn't have played, since it would be better used in another's (future) hands. The other of which would have been foolish to play immediately at the start of this game day.

As I mentioned earlier, there's no reason for Newcastle to keep the card he played secret. I can understand wanting to keep the information he learned from the card secret (temporarily), but his not disclosing the card is not helping the village at all. It only serves Newcastlewolf, so that he doesn't name a card that's in a villager's possession. We only have until tomorrow morning at 9:04 to make a decision. Newcastle refusing to name his card is highly suspicious.

The thing I find most amazing is those willing to give Newcastle a pass. He was caught without a card. He refuses to say what card he had, when Lassr's rules make it clear that he is free to talk about his card now. A deadline card was played (which only serves the dark mages). Newcastle is the prime dark mage candidate today, until he reconciles his missing card with the Deadline card. It seems highly likely that either Newcastle, redrun, or both are dark mages.

If Newcastle can somehow offer proof of his card, then redrun moves way up my list. Even should we eventually lynch Newcastle and he comes back dark mage, I'm now looking very suspiciously at redrun for backing off into the "give Newcastle a pass" camp, without an offer of proof.

Newcastle

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:20 pm

Wow. Momentous events unfolding. I was all ready to vote RW today, but NC is also pretty high on the list of suspects after not having a card and not wanting to talk about it. Why not? As someone pointed out, it has left his hand, therefore safe to talk about.

Some interesting/good news depending on how you think about it. I played the "I am Spartacus" card. I played it as soon as I got it for fear of it being swiped. Although, I am not sure it matters. If everyone is to be believed, I think we have used the cards that it would have fooled. And well, our seer, I guess we don't need to worry about him being fooled any more.

Anyway, does anyone have the speak with dead cards? Would like to find out if Bubbles was able to scan anyone before his demise.

Newcastle

I will be around this evening if I need to change my vote before tomorrow.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Can we talk about the card we held yesterday but didn't play? I was debating whether to actually play mine--just to take it out of rotation--but didn't expect the final two votes on CR to land so damn fast and didn't get a chance to play.

As for Newcastle, I see 1, perhaps 2 cards that match the criteria for being something you'd want to play right away and also keep hidden, and I had to really stretch both the definition of those filters to get to two.

Newcastle

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Newcastle at N-2.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:42 pm

triggercut wrote:Newcastle at N-2.

Let's hold off on any more Newcastle votes to keep him out of 1 Extra Vote range to give him a chance to enlighten us.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:43 pm

Qantaga wrote:
triggercut wrote:Newcastle at N-2.

Let's hold off on any more Newcastle votes to keep him out of 1 Extra Vote range to give him a chance to enlighten us.

Yeah, I suppose.

Deadline actually seems right within reach though, and I'm heartened that bb has checked in.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:47 pm

qantaga

.....why be like that? its almost as if you want a rushed vote on me.....

quick on the draw guys....seriously...quick on the draw...am waiting for a few clarification PM's to come back from Lassr. Otherwise am gonna have to hint what i did for you guys to figure it out what i did....and i will do it with clear enough time before the deadline if i cant come out and say it. Because...even though its out of my hands...it hasnt come to pass ya know....so yeah i(read WE) have a HUGE incentive to not say anything until i know FOR SURE that if i do say something it wont wreck the effect...

but i wouldnt expect you to think that qantaga-wolf...

You guys ever wonder why teh deadlines card was played? like maybe to compress time..maybe to go after folks whom you guys talked about at night (ie me...since my massive train derailment on CR).

Also, am sure i am not the only who has played their card straightaway....so yeah am pretty sure there are quite a few of us who dont have cards...but i wouldnt expect folks to rationally think this through....

Also i think i have 3 votes right: Q, BB, and trigg....

Look at them carefully should i go over guys. Seriously.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:49 pm

Newcastle wrote: qantaga

.....why be like that? its almost as if you want a rushed vote on me.....

quick on the draw guys....seriously...quick on the draw...am waiting for a few clarification PM's to come back from Lassr. Otherwise am gonna have to hint what i did for you guys to figure it out what i did....and i will do it with clear enough time before the deadline if i cant come out and say it. Because...even though its out of my hands...it hasnt come to pass ya know....so yeah i(read WE) have a HUGE incentive to not say anything until i know FOR SURE that if i do say something it wont wreck the effect...

but i wouldnt expect you to think that qantaga-wolf...

You guys ever wonder why teh deadlines card was played? like maybe to compress time..maybe to go after folks whom you guys talked about at night (ie me...since my massive train derailment on CR).

Also, am sure i am not the only who has played their card straightaway....so yeah am pretty sure there are quite a few of us who dont have cards...but i wouldnt expect folks to rationally think this through....

Also i think i have 3 votes right: Q, BB, and trigg....

Look at them carefully should i go over guys. Seriously.

bb2112 is a villager. I KNOW he is a villager. So barking up that tree makes me want to place the N-1 vote on you, Newcastle.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:49 pm

Newcastle at 4: El Guapo, Qantaga, bb2112, triggercut.

I think those votes are all current and operative.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:50 pm

theohall wrote:
Newcastle wrote: qantaga

.....why be like that? its almost as if you want a rushed vote on me.....

quick on the draw guys....seriously...quick on the draw...am waiting for a few clarification PM's to come back from Lassr. Otherwise am gonna have to hint what i did for you guys to figure it out what i did....and i will do it with clear enough time before the deadline if i cant come out and say it. Because...even though its out of my hands...it hasnt come to pass ya know....so yeah i(read WE) have a HUGE incentive to not say anything until i know FOR SURE that if i do say something it wont wreck the effect...

but i wouldnt expect you to think that qantaga-wolf...

You guys ever wonder why teh deadlines card was played? like maybe to compress time..maybe to go after folks whom you guys talked about at night (ie me...since my massive train derailment on CR).

Also, am sure i am not the only who has played their card straightaway....so yeah am pretty sure there are quite a few of us who dont have cards...but i wouldnt expect folks to rationally think this through....

Also i think i have 3 votes right: Q, BB, and trigg....

Look at them carefully should i go over guys. Seriously.
bb2112 is a villager. I KNOW he is a villager. So barking up that tree makes me want to place the N-1 vote on you, Newcastle.

If you do I'm pulling my vote off him.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:51 pm

triggercut wrote:Newcastle at 4: El Guapo, Qantaga, bb2112, triggercut.

I think those votes are all current and operative.

ah elg, i forgot about him.

Still have the spartacus card Theo...and of all of the villagers, i'd lean BB as being most likely....but we'll know for sure soon.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:52 pm

Qantaga wrote:
theohall wrote:And there are lots of cards Newcastle could play with which he would not want to reveal what was played.

No, there are not "lots of cards" that would hurt the village by being revealed.

There are only two cards that he might possibly want to keep secret. One of which I would hope he wouldn't have played, since it would be better used in another's (future) hands. The other of which would have been foolish to play immediately at the start of this game day.

As I mentioned earlier, there's no reason for Newcastle to keep the card he played secret. I can understand wanting to keep the information he learned from the card secret (temporarily), but his not disclosing the card is not helping the village at all. It only serves Newcastlewolf, so that he doesn't name a card that's in a villager's possession. We only have until tomorrow morning at 9:04 to make a decision. Newcastle refusing to name his card is highly suspicious.

The thing I find most amazing is those willing to give Newcastle a pass. He was caught without a card. He refuses to say what card he had, when Lassr's rules make it clear that he is free to talk about his card now. A deadline card was played (which only serves the dark mages). Newcastle is the prime dark mage candidate today, until he reconciles his missing card with the Deadline card. It seems highly likely that either Newcastle, redrun, or both are dark mages.

If Newcastle can somehow offer proof of his card, then redrun moves way up my list. Even should we eventually lynch Newcastle and he comes back dark mage, I'm now looking very suspiciously at redrun for backing off into the "give Newcastle a pass" camp, without an offer of proof.

Newcastle

Newcastle's callout to Bubbles interests me. I would expect a wolf with a card to speak with deak would have used it on Chaoraven. I'm not sure what a wolf with raise dead would do. Either way, I would not expect a wolf to take a chance on using the card on the seer. So, if Mr. Bubbles shows up, I would expect Newcastle to have caused it to happen, which would tend to make him good.

While looking at the cards I noticed death - kill a player with at least one vote on them. Since I was the only vote on Newcastle, and I'd be around (working today, plenty of chance to check the forum), I saw no reason to leave my vote up.

If Mr. Bubbles does not show up, Newcastle looks to me to be today's lynch.

I'd love to see your logic map that has both Newcastle and I as dark mage.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:54 pm

And all of a sudden am really tired of being on teh defensive....anyway, i am heading out for the day. I'd hope you guys let me have the last word...but am simply getting tired guys...just tired and sick of it all. I'll probably tell you guys what id id, should i be alive when i come back tonight. But...i dont expect to be alive.

So good luck and enjoy if i am out. I've laid my cards on the table, well almost...

and now i got to think of witty hints to leave should i be restricted....
/perks up
"already thought of one...even star wars related!"

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:55 pm

theohall wrote:
Newcastle wrote: qantaga

.....why be like that? its almost as if you want a rushed vote on me.....

quick on the draw guys....seriously...quick on the draw...am waiting for a few clarification PM's to come back from Lassr. Otherwise am gonna have to hint what i did for you guys to figure it out what i did....and i will do it with clear enough time before the deadline if i cant come out and say it. Because...even though its out of my hands...it hasnt come to pass ya know....so yeah i(read WE) have a HUGE incentive to not say anything until i know FOR SURE that if i do say something it wont wreck the effect...

but i wouldnt expect you to think that qantaga-wolf...

You guys ever wonder why teh deadlines card was played? like maybe to compress time..maybe to go after folks whom you guys talked about at night (ie me...since my massive train derailment on CR).

Also, am sure i am not the only who has played their card straightaway....so yeah am pretty sure there are quite a few of us who dont have cards...but i wouldnt expect folks to rationally think this through....

Also i think i have 3 votes right: Q, BB, and trigg....

Look at them carefully should i go over guys. Seriously.
bb2112 is a villager. I KNOW he is a villager. So barking up that tree makes me want to place the N-1 vote on you, Newcastle.

Also, he's not really "barking up that tree" with regards to bb2112, is he? Also remember: while you say you're good none of us knows that and as such we still have zero reason to trust you or your scan.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:55 pm

I can guarantee you i did not play the seance card....

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:56 pm

do remember i'm on pacific time...and i do HOPE that i can leave at least 1 hint if my hands are bound...but i'll just say it has not come to pass yet...

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Newcastle, if this is true:

redrun wrote:I just attemped to swipe Newcastle's card. Newcastle had no card to swipe.

then, you are free to say anything you want about your card.

Lassr's rule leaves no doubt in that regard:

Lassr wrote:If you publicly state which card you have in some form that makes it obvious then you lose the ability to use the card. You are free to talk about your card after it is used.You can talk about any card that was in your possession after the card leaves your hand. You are free to talk about strategy that can be used IF someone is in possession of a certain card.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:02 pm

Qantaga wrote:Newcastle, if this is true:

redrun wrote:I just attemped to swipe Newcastle's card. Newcastle had no card to swipe.

then, you are free to say anything you want about your card.

Lassr's rule leaves no doubt in that regard:

Lassr wrote:If you publicly state which card you have in some form that makes it obvious then you lose the ability to use the card. You are free to talk about your card after it is used.You can talk about any card that was in your possession after the card leaves your hand. You are free to talk about strategy that can be used IF someone is in possession of a certain card.

Q - i think i'm done talking to you...i'm not going to jeopardize talking bout this until I KNOW FOR SURE FROM HORSES MOUTH!

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:09 pm

Let me know where I should place my vote... If newcastle did not play the time limit card, then it was someone else...I know that is a big IF.. But still.

And I think El Guapo has been acting wolfish. <shrug> He usually hasa lot more thought and insight, but seems to be keeping to the shadows... I will switch my vote if you all need/want me too. As I would rather have a lynch, then a free day for the wolves. As everytime I have played everyone has said that a pass for a day is bad for the village and good for the wolves..

<shrug>

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:37 pm

a. i'm leaving for most of hte day. I hope to be back online by 6PM PST (9EST). I'll be back at some point before tomorrows AM deadline.
b. i hope you let me live until i can properly respond and i know what i can or cant do. I might have to leave hints.
c. after i state what i want to state, and you feel as if i am still the best lynch...that's cool.
d. when i come up human...please figure out the hint (or if its direct) please...well follow through.

e. please, please do not kill me off until i've been able to say something. I'd hate for this to go to waste.
f. I am very cognizant of our time deadline.

I'd really like all of you to put your thinking caps on and ask yourself...why slap a deadline card in play and who that would benefit...why would i play that...when i know i've hit a lot of heat.

The wolves want us to make a rash, knee jerk vote...think that through.

ok now am off (beach time!)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:23 pm

Day 2
Newcastle ---------- Qantaga --------
BB2112 ---------- Newcastle --------
theohall ---------- Remus West --------
kraegor ---------- --------
Remus West ---------- --------
El Guapo ---------- Newcastle --------
stessier ---------- --------
triggercut ---------- Remus West -------- Newcastle
Qantaga ---------- Newcastle --------
RMC ---------- El Guapo --------
redrun ---------- Newcastle --------
.
.
Newcastle -4 ---------- El Guapo, Qantaga, bb2112, triggercut
Remus West -1 ---------- theohall
El Guapo -1 ---------- RMC
Qantaga -1 -------- Newcastle
---------
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----------
----------

Majority = 6

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:41 pm

RMC wrote:Let me know where I should place my vote...

Thanks, that's awfully solicitous of you.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Newcastle wrote:a. i'm leaving for most of hte day. I hope to be back online by 6PM PST (9EST). I'll be back at some point before tomorrows AM deadline.

The wolves want us to make a rash, knee jerk vote...think that through.

So... you place a deadline inside the deadline... who does that benefit? Ya know, I think yer on to something! It does benefit the wolves. Twice! Good work, detective!

<brought to you by the committee for the irony impaired>

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:59 pm

Well, I hope NC comes back this evening. I really don't understand his reluctance to talk about a used card, but I am interested to find out.

Also, an interesting question. What if NC has a really good reason and we all end up believing him? (Like if he rez's Mr B.) Are we going to have enough time to switch to a new vote?

Maybe some of us should set up a second vote that we can switch to in a short time if we need to.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:11 pm

bb2112 wrote:Well, I hope NC comes back this evening. I really don't understand his reluctance to talk about a used card, but I am interested to find out.

Also, an interesting question. What if NC has a really good reason and we all end up believing him? (Like if he rez's Mr B.) Are we going to have enough time to switch to a new vote?

Maybe some of us should set up a second vote that we can switch to in a short time if we need to.

Not a bad idea. Suggestions? I fear anything I'd put out there would be anti-productive.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:40 pm

redrun wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
Maybe some of us should set up a second vote that we can switch to in a short time if we need to.
Not a bad idea. Suggestions? I fear anything I'd put out there would be anti-productive.

I'll be around tonight to hear what he has to say. It sounds like enough of us will be around to make adjustments, if necessary. I just hope he doesn't make us wait too late or there will be very little time for someone to respond if they can counter his claim.

bb2112 wrote:
Also, an interesting question. What if NC has a really good reason and we all end up believing him? (Like if he rez's Mr B.) Are we going to have enough time to switch to a new vote?

Not to be overly nit-picky, but it wouldn't be Mr. B. on a rez. It would have to be Chaos. I would also imagine that the rez is not dependent on the rezzed person showing up. My guess is that Lassr would announce that the person has been rezzed in the thread as soon as he receives the rez card order (if it wasn't blocked). Is that correct Lassr, or would it be up to the rezzed player to post for the rez order to be complete?

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:17 pm

While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.

Remus West

He has been acting goofy all game, and he jumped the gun on the vote with CR.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:25 pm

bb2112 wrote:While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.

So, you're pre-approving Newcastle's as yet untold story?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:28 pm

Qantaga wrote:
bb2112 wrote:While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.

So, you're pre-approving Newcastle's as yet untold story?

By the way, that is not meant to be snarky. I'm curious because it sounds like you're already planning on Newcastle having a bulletproof reason for his missing card and his actions today.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:35 pm

Qantaga wrote:
bb2112 wrote:While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.

So, you're pre-approving Newcastle's as yet untold story?

Absolutely not. I just know I will be around to switch back tonight if NC doesn't come through.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:54 pm

Qantaga wrote:
. My guess is that Lassr would announce that the person has been rezzed in the thread as soon as he receives the rez card order (if it wasn't blocked). Is that correct Lassr, or would it be up to the rezzed player to post for the rez order to be complete?

I would announce it in the game thread

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:19 pm

bb2112 wrote:While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.

Remus West

He has been disagreeing with me all game, and he jumped the gun on the vote with CR.

I fixed that to make it much more accurate for you.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:33 pm

bb2112 wrote:While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.

Again, all we need is a simple majority by tomorrow morning. Not 6 votes, but a simple majority. That's why I'm not real concerned at this point if Newcastle weighs in again or not. If things stay the way they are, he's hanging in the morning.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:34 pm

Remus West wrote:
bb2112 wrote:While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.

Remus West

He has been disagreeing with me all game, and he jumped the gun on the vote with CR.
I fixed that to make it much more accurate for you.

Your disagreements are fueled by your ridiculous arguments, so I'm ok with your fix.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:35 pm

triggercut wrote:
bb2112 wrote:While I do think some people will be around tonight, I'm not convinced there will be enough to switch if we decide to do so last second.
Again, all we need is a simple majority by tomorrow morning. Not 6 votes, but a simple majority. That's why I'm not real concerned at this point if Newcastle weighs in again or not. If things stay the way they are, he's hanging in the morning.

and if he has a good story that people believe and things stay the way they are........

That is the part bb2112 is getting at. He wants to redirect you all to me after Newcastle makes up a little story. At least he is committed though. Unlike redrun.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:36 pm

Whoa. I'm here. Have to put the girls to bed then I'll read everything after the Lassr deadline announcement. Could be a few hours though.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:43 pm

Cool. I think stessier was the last person to check in, so everyone with a good card to play can play them.