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Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:23 pm**

Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:14 pm

+1. Wife's family used to own a cottage in Ontario and we spent many weeks over several summers there, including on our honeymoon. We often had up to a dozen friends and family members staying with us. I've long been quite fond of Canada. Before the craft beer revolution in the late '80s to early '90s, you had better beer than we did. I drank many gallons of Molson Brador and considered it a treat.

Would that have been in the Muskokas?

Sadly, I don't think the housing market is any better here. You generally want to avoid living in the big cities like Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver unless you want to spend an arm and a leg, and be able to venture out a bit further north for more affordable prices.

LordMortis wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:21 pm

Between pipeline, lumber, and auto supply chain the symbiosis is huge. To say nothing tech supply chain. Grinding one to a halt will grind the other.

Absolutely huge, not to mention the resource extractions for say EV batteries and the like. And it shows how importantly linked both of our countries are, in a number of things. So as far as trade goes, I think it will affect Canada quite a bit, as we've often relied on being neighbours for the trade to work. I don't think we've ever had to think about looking elsewhere for other our main trade deals.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:14 pm**

Trump senses weakness and that he can add territory. He's not going to stop and his cult will bear the pain longer than rational people. My thoughts are getting too dark

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:47 pm**

IceBear wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:14 pm Trump senses weakness and that he can add territory. He's not going to stop and his cult will bear the pain longer than rational people. My thoughts are getting too dark

I really think you can relax. Trump doesn't want Canada. Trump wants media attention.

If he opts for an action (such an annexing an ally) that would absolutely crash the world economy and hurt billionaires, those billionaires will talk him away from it and distract him with another shiny object. A new Trump hotel and casino in Dubai will attract him more than the logistics and politics of control of Canadian territory.

Only the middle class and the poor are allowed to be hurt by Trump's choices and obsessions. They have no one to speak for them. (Democratic Party, are you listening?)

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:54 pm**

Holman wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:47 pm I really think you can relax. Trump doesn't want Canada. Trump wants media attention.

Indeed. If you're focusing on Greenland or Canada you're not providing coverage about RFK Jr., Gabbard or Patel - arguably three of the worst people to be nominated to cabinet positions and all currently undergoing confirmation hearings.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:59 pm**

Holman wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:47 pm I really think you can relax. Trump doesn't want Canada. Trump wants media attention.

If it's anything beyond that, he wants to gin up leverage so he can look like a winner in some negotiation.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:37 pm**

Rumpy wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:23 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:14 pm

+1. Wife's family used to own a cottage in Ontario and we spent many weeks over several summers there, including on our honeymoon. We often had up to a dozen friends and family members staying with us. I've long been quite fond of Canada. Before the craft beer revolution in the late '80s to early '90s, you had better beer than we did. I drank many gallons of Molson Brador and considered it a treat.

Would that have been in the Muskokas?

I don't know that name. It was on Lake Huron, near a tiny town called Forest. Sarnia is the nearest place one might recognize.

They had to sell for two reasons: the town was running water/sewer lines out that way and they were required to connect, and Canada's tax code was (understandably) not friendly to Americans owning property there. The buyer knocked down our rambling rustic cottage and built a McMansion.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:46 pm**

Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:37 pm Canada's tax code was (understandably) not friendly to Americans owning property there. The buyer knocked down our rambling rustic cottage and built a McMansion.

That is still the case. Sarnia is surrounded by a very popular wilderness area for SE Michiganders. From Canadian Expats I know, being a Canadian living in the US, it is not friendly to own property there or wasn't when last I spoke to coworkers past.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:28 am**

Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:37 pm
Rumpy wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:23 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:14 pm

+1. Wife's family used to own a cottage in Ontario and we spent many weeks over several summers there, including on our honeymoon. We often had up to a dozen friends and family members staying with us. I've long been quite fond of Canada. Before the craft beer revolution in the late '80s to early '90s, you had better beer than we did. I drank many gallons of Molson Brador and considered it a treat.

Would that have been in the Muskokas?

I don't know that name. It was on Lake Huron, near a tiny town called Forest. Sarnia is the nearest place one might recognize.

They had to sell for two reasons: the town was running water/sewer lines out that way and they were required to connect, and Canada's tax code was (understandably) not friendly to Americans owning property there. The buyer knocked down our rambling rustic cottage and built a McMansion.

Ok, the reason I asked, is because the Muskokas is generally the area where Americans tend to have a cottage when they talk about owning a cottage in Canada. It's generally referred to as cottage country.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:52 am**

Rumpy wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:28 am
Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:37 pm
Rumpy wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:23 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:14 pm

+1. Wife's family used to own a cottage in Ontario and we spent many weeks over several summers there, including on our honeymoon. We often had up to a dozen friends and family members staying with us. I've long been quite fond of Canada. Before the craft beer revolution in the late '80s to early '90s, you had better beer than we did. I drank many gallons of Molson Brador and considered it a treat.

Would that have been in the Muskokas?

I don't know that name. It was on Lake Huron, near a tiny town called Forest. Sarnia is the nearest place one might recognize.

They had to sell for two reasons: the town was running water/sewer lines out that way and they were required to connect, and Canada's tax code was (understandably) not friendly to Americans owning property there. The buyer knocked down our rambling rustic cottage and built a McMansion.

Ok, the reason I asked, is because the Muskokas is generally the area where Americans tend to have a cottage when they talk about owning a cottage in Canada. It's generally referred to as cottage country.

It wasn't resort country. More like cow country. The aroma told us when they were fertilizing. But that was 40 years ago so maybe they banished the sweet smell of manure. I kinda hope not.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:25 am**

Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:37 am**

IceBear wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:25 am Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping

Take a deep breath and unplug. It looks like the Canadian Suicide Prevention hotline is 988 - give them a call.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:41 am**

He’s 78 and eats like a 14 year old. Satan will call him back soon.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:48 am**

Smith says she's against cutting off oil to the US because it might hurt the Eastern provinces (which get their gas and oil from the US). Lol.

It's not that she's wrong, It's that she thinks we believe that a Premier from Alberta gives a crap about any other province.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:21 am**

hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:41 am He’s 78 and eats like a 14 year old. Satan will call him back soon.

People keep saying this, but I don't buy it. He will have access to the best health care money can buy. I'm very confident that natural causes won't do him in during his term.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:32 am**

hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:41 am He’s 78 and eats like a 14 year old. Satan will call him back soon.

Took until my third reading to realize this wasn't about IceBear.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:33 am**

stessier wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:21 am
hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:41 am He’s 78 and eats like a 14 year old. Satan will call him back soon.
People keep saying this, but I don't buy it. He will have access to the best health care money can buy. I'm very confident that natural causes won't do him in during his term.

He will also have access to as many Big Macs as he wants.

Let me have this one dream, for Christ’s sake!

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:47 pm**

Kraken wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:52 am
Rumpy wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:28 am
Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:37 pm
Rumpy wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:23 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:14 pm

+1. Wife's family used to own a cottage in Ontario and we spent many weeks over several summers there, including on our honeymoon. We often had up to a dozen friends and family members staying with us. I've long been quite fond of Canada. Before the craft beer revolution in the late '80s to early '90s, you had better beer than we did. I drank many gallons of Molson Brador and considered it a treat.

Would that have been in the Muskokas?

I don't know that name. It was on Lake Huron, near a tiny town called Forest. Sarnia is the nearest place one might recognize.

They had to sell for two reasons: the town was running water/sewer lines out that way and they were required to connect, and Canada's tax code was (understandably) not friendly to Americans owning property there. The buyer knocked down our rambling rustic cottage and built a McMansion.

Ok, the reason I asked, is because the Muskokas is generally the area where Americans tend to have a cottage when they talk about owning a cottage in Canada. It's generally referred to as cottage country.
It wasn't resort country. More like cow country. The aroma told us when they were fertilizing. But that was 40 years ago so maybe they banished the sweet smell of manure. I kinda hope not.

Oh hah, I know that smell all too well

That brings up memories of us camping at a campground surrounded by farmland. It wasn't very pleasant, especially when the wind blew just the right way. Eventually we ended up choosing a different one elsewhere, but we had used it for several years before we gave up on it.

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:48 am Smith says she's against cutting off oil to the US because it might hurt the Eastern provinces (which get their gas and oil from the US). Lol.

It's not that she's wrong, It's that she thinks we believe that a Premier from Alberta gives a crap about any other province.

What does she know about the Eastern Provinces anyway?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:47 pm**

Healthcare can keep him alive, but it can't make him healthy. Debilitating health problems are just 1 big mac away!

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:51 pm**

US actuarial tables put a 78yo male at a >5% probability of death within a year.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:54 pm**

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:51 pm US actuarial tables put a 78yo male at a >5% probability of death within a year.

We'll see. There's an awful lot of healthy individuals skewing the stats. Drumpf is not one of them.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:56 pm**

Breaking news on ctvnews.com

U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to announce new tariffs against Canada and Mexico that will begin on March 1, but will include a process for the countries to seek specific exemptions for certain imports, three people familiar with the planning told Reuters.

The tariff situation remained fluid on Friday and no decision is final until Trump makes a public announcement.

The sources, who asked not to be named because they are not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said they did not have details on a final tariff rate, but noted Trump has consistently said that he plans to impose a 25% tariff on imports from the two countries on Saturday.

Separately, an administration official said Trump on Friday was reviewing tariff plans, which may allow for some exemptions. Still, any exemptions would be “few and far between,” the official said.

While the announcement of tariffs may roil financial markets and strain the U.S. relationship with its top two trading partners, offering a 28-day window before implementation and a process for exemptions would suggest a more careful approach by the Trump administration.

It also would buy time for negotiations over actions by Canada and Mexico to meet Trump’s stated goals for the duties, to pressure the two U.S. neighbors to halt the flow of illegal immigrants and deadly fentanyl across the U.S. border.

This is a breaking news story. More details to come.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:00 pm**

Jesus, is the Trade War the new Infrastructure Week, perpetually arriving in 2-4 weeks?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:02 pm**

I know right? Even him mentioning tariffs screws the dollar and investments and he keeps moving the goalposts

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:16 pm**

Yeah, first Feb 1st, then March 1st. I think he's prolonging the suspense, which may be part of his tactic. If he's reviewing his tariffs, my hope is that it won't be nearly as bad as we've feared. On the other hand, there's a clip making the rounds with one of his advisors, Zolnick, I think it is, parroting the usual "Canada must do better to stop fentanyl and immigrants", so who knows. To that end, we'd like the U.S Border to stop the flow of guns and cocaine into our Country.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:32 pm**

Rumpy wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:16 pm If he's reviewing his tariffs,

You guys are still giving the role of logic way too much credit in this scenario. There is no logic, there is no plan - there are feelings and speeches. He could wake up tomorrow and put 100% tarriffs on everything even if a country did everything he wanted. There is no rhyme or reason - you'll go crazy trying to find one.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:52 pm**

Nope, back to Feb 1st

The White House on Friday said U.S. President Donald Trump's deadline on tariff still stands as Feb. 1, despite earlier reporting to the contrary.

"I was just with the president in the Oval Office and I can confirm that tomorrow, the February 1st deadline that President Trump put into place in a statement several weeks ago, continues," White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said during a briefing.

"The president will be implementing tomorrow a 25 per cent tariff on Mexico, 25 per cent tariff on Canada and a 10 per cent tariff on China."

The comments came after Reuters, citing sources familiar with planning, said Trump was planning to announce tariffs that would begin March 1.

The Reuters sources, who asked not to be named because they are not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said they did not have details on a final tariff rate, but noted Trump has consistently said that he plans to impose a 25 per cent tariff on imports from the two countries on Saturday.

"I saw that [Reuters] report and it is false," Leavitt said.

Separately, an administration official told Reuters the president was reviewing tariff plans, which may allow for some exemptions. Still, any exemptions would be "few and far between," the official said. Leavitt did not offer details on any potential exemptions on Friday.

"I don't have an update or readout for you on the exemptions. But those tariffs will be for public consumption in about 24 hours, tomorrow, so you can read them then."

The decision to impose tariffs stands to seriously harm both the diplomatic and economic relationships between two countries which are typically close allies, with significant implications for major industries — like energy and automotive — that have long thrived under a variety of free trade agreements. If Ottawa retaliates with its own tariffs as promised, it would amount to a trade war, which could mean higher prices and job losses nationwide.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:13 pm**

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:54 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:51 pm US actuarial tables put a 78yo male at a >5% probability of death within a year.
We'll see. There's an awful lot of healthy individuals skewing the stats. Drumpf is not one of them.

Access to top quality medical care skews them as well.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:20 pm**

Blackhawk wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:13 pm
GreenGoo wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:54 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:51 pm US actuarial tables put a 78yo male at a >5% probability of death within a year.
We'll see. There's an awful lot of healthy individuals skewing the stats. Drumpf is not one of them.
Access to top quality medical care skews them as well.

There's no magic fix for cheese burgers, particularly with a non-compliant patient.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:21 pm**

stessier wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:32 pm
Rumpy wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:16 pm If he's reviewing his tariffs,
You guys are still giving the role of logic way too much credit in this scenario. There is no logic, there is no plan - there are feelings and speeches. He could wake up tomorrow and put 100% tarriffs on everything even if a country did everything he wanted. There is no rhyme or reason - you'll go crazy trying to find one.

Thank you.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:59 pm**

IceBear wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:25 am Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping

Stay with us IceBear.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:02 pm**

hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:33 am
stessier wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:21 am
hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:41 am He’s 78 and eats like a 14 year old. Satan will call him back soon.
People keep saying this, but I don't buy it. He will have access to the best health care money can buy. I'm very confident that natural causes won't do him in during his term.
He will also have access to as many Big Macs as he wants.

Let me have this one dream, for Christ’s sake!

Has anyone introduced him to that KFC sandwich where the bun is fried chicken?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:06 pm**

Alefroth wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:02 pm
hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:33 am
stessier wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:21 am
hepcat wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:41 am He’s 78 and eats like a 14 year old. Satan will call him back soon.
People keep saying this, but I don't buy it. He will have access to the best health care money can buy. I'm very confident that natural causes won't do him in during his term.
He will also have access to as many Big Macs as he wants.

Let me have this one dream, for Christ’s sake!
Has anyone introduced him to that KFC sandwich where the bun is fried chicken?

The Double Down is no worse than eating a couple of pieces of fried chicken. And bacon. And cheese.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:09 pm**

Geez, so there's not an actual filling? What a missed opportunity.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:11 pm**

Alefroth wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:59 pm
IceBear wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:25 am Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping
Stay with us IceBear.

We are still allowed to experience joy and love, and we get to model the kindness and empathy the world needs every time we engage with other humans. We're still dancing for the universe, let's keep kicking up our heels and allow ourselves to exist as our best selves. I have been really struggling too, but damned if I will let those fuckers win over my autonomy and integrity. I have been reading your posts for decades and can't imagine a world where I come back to GG/OO and you've left us early. Glad you are here and we all should be in therapy to keep strong. It's my personal health goal for myself for the next month to find a therapist. Want to join me?

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:18 pm**

Alefroth wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:09 pm Geez, so there's not an actual filling? What a missed opportunity.

That was my great disappointment. It's not a filthily indulgent sandwich, it's a double-boobied pile of meat without a bun. The filling is a couple of slices of bacon and some cheese and some sauce. I don't understand how it wasn't an even bigger bomb. You need that bread as a counterbalance.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:23 pm**

To paraphrase Joey: "What's not to like? Fried chicken, good! Bacon, good! Cheese, good!"

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:24 pm**

So, it's a... stuffed chicken breast. What an innovation!

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:36 pm**

IceBear wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:25 am Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping

Yeah, hang in there man. I don't know how "serious" of a comment that was, but if you ever want to talk, send me a PM. I've zero issue with gallows humour among friends, but I also know what it's like to experience intrusive thoughts. If you're still living in Ontario and are interested in mental health supports (if that's not something you've considered before), I'm happy to share my experiences.

My own anxiety has elevated to a fever pitch. Unplugging entirely isn't really an option or something I want, but tuning more stuff out and limiting my exposure to news and commentary and discussions is something I've had to do, and still am not doing enough. Avoidance isn't the best path forward, but strategic implementation may be required if it's bothering you this much. Some things you legitimately can't impact, yet you still need to be informed of them. But your conscious focus has to be on something else for your own sanity. There's so much good to be done in the world in this circumstance. And if there aren't many practical opportunities for you there or it's just too much, well, there's still a ton of good media to consume. Ideally some of both.

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:37 pm**

Enough wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:11 pm
Alefroth wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:59 pm
IceBear wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:25 am Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping
Stay with us IceBear.
We are still allowed to experience joy and love, and we get to model the kindness and empathy the world needs every time we engage with other humans. We're still dancing for the universe, let's keep kicking up our heels and allow ourselves to exist as our best selves. I have been really struggling too, but damned if I will let those fuckers win over my autonomy and integrity. I have been reading your posts for decades and can't imagine a world where I come back to GG/OO and you've left us early. Glad you are here and we all should be in therapy to keep strong. It's my personal health goal for myself for the next month to find a therapist. Want to join me?

It's just that it's going to be disastrous for the Canadian economy and with his constant threats to join the US to make them go away, it feels like my known world Is about to change forever...but I'm a pessimist

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:48 pm**

Well at least he's finally dispensing with the bullshit that these tariffs had anything to do with border security.

U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters on Friday nothing can be done by Canada, Mexico and China to forestall tariffs and vowed to tariff items such as chips, oil and gas.

Trump added that tariffs on oil and gas are likely by Feb. 18.

Earlier in the day, the White House said Trump on Saturday will implement tariffs of 25 per cent on Canadian and Mexican imports and 10 per cent on Chinese goods with immediate effect.

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