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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:43 pm Which will be overturned by the SC in 3, 2, 1....

YellowKing wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:47 pm We may have changed the young voter demographic forever with this election.

I confess I've never mailed in a ballot before this election, and the only reason I did so was because of all the uncertainty with Covid. Yet after I did it, all I could think was, "Damn, that was easy. Why haven't I been doing this the whole time?"

I imagine there are a lot of young voters out there coming to the same realization. I'm sure a lot of young people don't typically vote because it's (at least perceived as) kind of a pain in the ass. Once they realize there's an easy option, look out.

Alefroth wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:14 pm

YellowKing wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:47 pm We may have changed the young voter demographic forever with this election.

I confess I've never mailed in a ballot before this election, and the only reason I did so was because of all the uncertainty with Covid. Yet after I did it, all I could think was, "Damn, that was easy. Why haven't I been doing this the whole time?"

I imagine there are a lot of young voters out there coming to the same realization. I'm sure a lot of young people don't typically vote because it's (at least perceived as) kind of a pain in the ass. Once they realize there's an easy option, look out.

I've lived in a state that has had mail only voting for years, and there is still an embarrassing amount of people that can't be bothered.

Kraken wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:25 pm My mail-in ballot was the best-informed I've ever cast, because I had the leisure of researching all the candidates for down-ballot races that I usually pay no heed.

YellowKing wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:47 pm We may have changed the young voter demographic forever with this election.

I confess I've never mailed in a ballot before this election, and the only reason I did so was because of all the uncertainty with Covid. Yet after I did it, all I could think was, "Damn, that was easy. Why haven't I been doing this the whole time?"

I imagine there are a lot of young voters out there coming to the same realization. I'm sure a lot of young people don't typically vote because it's (at least perceived as) kind of a pain in the ass. Once they realize there's an easy option, look out.

stessier wrote:
My state only changed the rules to allow absentee for everyone for this one election.

Alefroth wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:59 amI can't think of much that could be done to make it more convenient or advantageous to the voter.

The Meal wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:49 am

Alefroth wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:59 amI can't think of much that could be done to make it more convenient or advantageous to the voter.

Not having to mail or deliver my ballot would be more convenient, but I'm not about to advocate for on-line voting. Though it would be more convenient.

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 pm You know the three words that strike the most fear into my heart right now? Lame duck Trump.

Kraken wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 pm You know the three words that strike the most fear into my heart right now? Lame duck Trump.

One hopes his last days will be consumed with not becoming convicted felon trump. He's gonna need the mother of all golden parachutes.

El Guapo wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:11 pm

Kraken wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 pm You know the three words that strike the most fear into my heart right now? Lame duck Trump.

One hopes his last days will be consumed with not becoming convicted felon trump. He's gonna need the mother of all golden parachutes.

A couple times recently he's "joked" about how he might leave the country if he loses the election.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:12 pm I’m not actually super encouraged by those younger voting totals. In Florida, for instance, 1.6 million people aged 18 - 29 voted in 2016. The 250K totals so far is only ~16% of that vote total. Considering how many people are voting early or absentee this year, that doesn’t seem like a great percentage to me...

Kraken wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 pm You know the three words that strike the most fear into my heart right now? Lame duck Trump.

One hopes his last days will be consumed with not becoming convicted felon trump. He's gonna need the mother of all golden parachutes.

Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Kraken wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 pm You know the three words that strike the most fear into my heart right now? Lame duck Trump.

One hopes his last days will be consumed with not becoming convicted felon trump. He's gonna need the mother of all golden parachutes.

Here's maybe an interesting dilemma to ponder if Trump loses.

Does Joe Biden, in the spirit of healing the country, and the ever-widening partisan divide (now even amongst Republicans), pardon The Don? I don't think he would, but SHOULD he, IF the result is a more peaceful transition of power, and more importantly, a potential return to pre-Trump domestic peace? Personally I think that's a very big IF (that Trumpkins would be ameliorated by anything, even a Trump pardon). They would likely claim it was all a setup for some nefarious child fondling, devil worshipping scheme.

I'm sad to admit that with no guarantee of healing, I hope to hell it doesn't go down like that. I do sincerely, and honestly believe we need to take some kind of action to try and heal the country, on several fronts, but a pardon of the monster we've apparently created would also piss a LOT of people off. You MAYBE get some peace and quiet for a while from Trumpkins with a pardon, but you DEFINITELY get never-Trumpers riled up and mad as hell as a result.

Victoria Raverna wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:46 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Kraken wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 pm You know the three words that strike the most fear into my heart right now? Lame duck Trump.

One hopes his last days will be consumed with not becoming convicted felon trump. He's gonna need the mother of all golden parachutes.

Here's maybe an interesting dilemma to ponder if Trump loses.

Does Joe Biden, in the spirit of healing the country, and the ever-widening partisan divide (now even amongst Republicans), pardon The Don? I don't think he would, but SHOULD he, IF the result is a more peaceful transition of power, and more importantly, a potential return to pre-Trump domestic peace? Personally I think that's a very big IF (that Trumpkins would be ameliorated by anything, even a Trump pardon). They would likely claim it was all a setup for some nefarious child fondling, devil worshipping scheme.

I'm sad to admit that with no guarantee of healing, I hope to hell it doesn't go down like that. I do sincerely, and honestly believe we need to take some kind of action to try and heal the country, on several fronts, but a pardon of the monster we've apparently created would also piss a LOT of people off. You MAYBE get some peace and quiet for a while from Trumpkins with a pardon, but you DEFINITELY get never-Trumpers riled up and mad as hell as a result.

Or maybe Trump resigns then Pence pardon Trump?

Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am Does Joe Biden, in the spirit of healing the country, and the ever-widening partisan divide (now even amongst Republicans), pardon The Don? I don't think he would, but SHOULD he, IF the result is a more peaceful transition of power, and more importantly, a potential return to pre-Trump domestic peace? Personally I think that's a very big IF (that Trumpkins would be ameliorated by anything, even a Trump pardon). They would likely claim it was all a setup for some nefarious child fondling, devil worshipping scheme.

Zarathud wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:03 amTrump went after Joe’s son, so I rxpect no pardon.

Paingod wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:07 am

Zarathud wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:03 amTrump went after Joe’s son, so I rxpect no pardon.

Except Joe is likely above petty revenge plots and finds Trump's bluster and attacks pathetic, not enraging.

I sincerely hope, with every fiber, that Trump and his cronies are dragged through legal razor-wire for the next decade. The US needs healing, but to get there we need to amputate the cancer - not give it a pass and pretend it won't come back.

You can bet your ass that if they're not decimated after 2020, the Trump family will come back into politics; they've had a taste of what it's like to shape police and reap the benefits. I worry that the GOP will put forth Ivanka as their first woman for president, and she might actually get it. Their whole family needs to be burned so badly by this that they never consider trying.

A Boston man has been arrested in connection with a fire that was set inside a ballot drop box in the city, according to police.

The Boston Election Department notified the Secretary of the Commonwealth's Office that the fire was set at about 4 a.m. Sunday in the ballot drop box outside of the Boston Public Library's main branch in Copley Square.

Boston police said officers responded at 4:11 a.m. to the area of 700 Boylston St., which is the location of the library's main branch. When they arrived at the scene, the officers saw Boston firefighters tending to smoke coming from the ballot box.
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Police released photos of a suspect Sunday evening, and officers on patrol in the area of Copley Square saw a man matching the description at about 10:50 p.m. While speaking with the man, 39-year-old Worldy Armand, police discovered that he had an active warrant out of Ipswich District Court for receiving stolen property and took him into custody.

While he was in police custody, members of the fire investigation unit were able to identify Armand as the suspect in the ballot box fire and charged him with willful and malicious burning.

Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am Here's maybe an interesting dilemma to ponder if Trump loses.

Does Joe Biden, in the spirit of healing the country, and the ever-widening partisan divide (now even amongst Republicans), pardon The Don? I don't think he would, but SHOULD he, IF the result is a more peaceful transition of power, and more importantly, a potential return to pre-Trump domestic peace? Personally I think that's a very big IF (that Trumpkins would be ameliorated by anything, even a Trump pardon). They would likely claim it was all a setup for some nefarious child fondling, devil worshipping scheme.

I'm sad to admit that with no guarantee of healing, I hope to hell it doesn't go down like that. I do sincerely, and honestly believe we need to take some kind of action to try and heal the country, on several fronts, but a pardon of the monster we've apparently created would also piss a LOT of people off. You MAYBE get some peace and quiet for a while from Trumpkins with a pardon, but you DEFINITELY get never-Trumpers riled up and mad as hell as a result.

Holman wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:45 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am Here's maybe an interesting dilemma to ponder if Trump loses.

Does Joe Biden, in the spirit of healing the country, and the ever-widening partisan divide (now even amongst Republicans), pardon The Don? I don't think he would, but SHOULD he, IF the result is a more peaceful transition of power, and more importantly, a potential return to pre-Trump domestic peace? Personally I think that's a very big IF (that Trumpkins would be ameliorated by anything, even a Trump pardon). They would likely claim it was all a setup for some nefarious child fondling, devil worshipping scheme.

I'm sad to admit that with no guarantee of healing, I hope to hell it doesn't go down like that. I do sincerely, and honestly believe we need to take some kind of action to try and heal the country, on several fronts, but a pardon of the monster we've apparently created would also piss a LOT of people off. You MAYBE get some peace and quiet for a while from Trumpkins with a pardon, but you DEFINITELY get never-Trumpers riled up and mad as hell as a result.

Pardoning Trump and his cronies wouldn't heal anything. It would convince many, many more people that the system is broken and that the powerful always escape consequences. To see a Democrat do it would demoralize Democrats (the only side currently interested in making the system fair) and embolden Republicans. The end result would be more cynicism and a more broken country.

In the long run, justice heals. And seeing Trump et al face consequences is the only thing that might save Republicans from themselves.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:57 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:45 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am Here's maybe an interesting dilemma to ponder if Trump loses.

Does Joe Biden, in the spirit of healing the country, and the ever-widening partisan divide (now even amongst Republicans), pardon The Don? I don't think he would, but SHOULD he, IF the result is a more peaceful transition of power, and more importantly, a potential return to pre-Trump domestic peace? Personally I think that's a very big IF (that Trumpkins would be ameliorated by anything, even a Trump pardon). They would likely claim it was all a setup for some nefarious child fondling, devil worshipping scheme.

I'm sad to admit that with no guarantee of healing, I hope to hell it doesn't go down like that. I do sincerely, and honestly believe we need to take some kind of action to try and heal the country, on several fronts, but a pardon of the monster we've apparently created would also piss a LOT of people off. You MAYBE get some peace and quiet for a while from Trumpkins with a pardon, but you DEFINITELY get never-Trumpers riled up and mad as hell as a result.

Pardoning Trump and his cronies wouldn't heal anything. It would convince many, many more people that the system is broken and that the powerful always escape consequences. To see a Democrat do it would demoralize Democrats (the only side currently interested in making the system fair) and embolden Republicans. The end result would be more cynicism and a more broken country.

In the long run, justice heals. And seeing Trump et al face consequences is the only thing that might save Republicans from themselves.

If Trump faces any legal consequences for his actions in office, it will be years, probably a decade, away. It will most likely be posthumous.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:57 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:45 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am Here's maybe an interesting dilemma to ponder if Trump loses.

Does Joe Biden, in the spirit of healing the country, and the ever-widening partisan divide (now even amongst Republicans), pardon The Don? I don't think he would, but SHOULD he, IF the result is a more peaceful transition of power, and more importantly, a potential return to pre-Trump domestic peace? Personally I think that's a very big IF (that Trumpkins would be ameliorated by anything, even a Trump pardon). They would likely claim it was all a setup for some nefarious child fondling, devil worshipping scheme.

I'm sad to admit that with no guarantee of healing, I hope to hell it doesn't go down like that. I do sincerely, and honestly believe we need to take some kind of action to try and heal the country, on several fronts, but a pardon of the monster we've apparently created would also piss a LOT of people off. You MAYBE get some peace and quiet for a while from Trumpkins with a pardon, but you DEFINITELY get never-Trumpers riled up and mad as hell as a result.

Pardoning Trump and his cronies wouldn't heal anything. It would convince many, many more people that the system is broken and that the powerful always escape consequences. To see a Democrat do it would demoralize Democrats (the only side currently interested in making the system fair) and embolden Republicans. The end result would be more cynicism and a more broken country.

In the long run, justice heals. And seeing Trump et al face consequences is the only thing that might save Republicans from themselves.

If Trump faces any legal consequences for his actions in office, it will be years, probably a decade, away. It will most likely be posthumous.

wonderpug wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:36 pm I see him fleeing the country or killing himself before ever risking facing a consequence.