Presidential Debates 2024

[Holman]

Aren't most of them about leaving behind the wrong person?

Like what America is trying to do now?

[Alefroth]

It occurred to me today that it's possible we are in a timeline where Taylor Swift literally saves the world.

Are any of her songs about choosing the wrong woman?

[naednek]

It occurred to me today that it's possible we are in a timeline where Taylor Swift literally saves the world.

Are any of her songs about choosing the wrong woman?

I'll ask my daugther.

[Unagi]

Are any of her songs about choosing the wrong woman?

[YellowKing]

Some of her songs are also about the double standard women are held to in regards to criticizing their dating history...

[Holman]

Trump is still out there citing a poll that claims 92-8 that he won the debate. (This was apparently an online poll by Newsmax conducted on Trump's own Truth Social.)

Obviously it's bullshit. But the real question is whether he thinks his followers are stupid enough to credit it or whether he himself is stupid enough to credit it.

[stessier]

Some of her songs are also about the double standard women are held to in regards to criticizing their dating history...

See The Man... Which Kamala played.

[Smoove_B]

he himself is stupid enough to credit it.

I genuinely believe he is one of the dumbest people to have ever been put into the public spotlight. He might have business "savvy" and some type of magical charisma that somehow mesmerizes people, but the ability to think through things? Understand what's real and what's not? I think he absolutely believes people are eating pets in Ohio because he saw it on TV. I believe he thinks anything said by certain hate muppets on Fox News is true - because they said it. He's not an amazing actor, able to convince his MAGA followers - he's sincere in his belief that insane asylums and political asylum are the same thing. He genuinely believes windmills are causing cancer. He knows immigrant caravans are coming to the border - because he saw it on TV.

[raydude]

Some of her songs are also about the double standard women are held to in regards to criticizing their dating history...

See The Man... Which Kamala played.

This. This right here.

[Blackhawk]

But the real question is whether he thinks his followers are stupid enough to credit it or whether he himself is stupid enough to credit it.

Yes.

[Kurth]

Two Springfield public schools evacuated, one closed due to threats

Two Springfield City School District elementary schools were evacuated and a middle school was closed Friday morning after threats against the buildings were made, according to school officials.

Perrin Woods Elementary School and Snowhill Elementary School students were evacuated from their buildings Friday morning and moved to an "alternate district location," according to a SCSD news release. The district is currently dismissing students to their parents.

Additionally, Roosevelt Middle School was closed before the start of the school day related to the same threats.
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Friday marks the second day in a row that Springfield public school students were evacuated after the city gained national attention for unfounded right-wing rumors about the community's Haitian immigrant population.
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Thursday's evacuation of Fulton Elementary School was based on information received from the state fire marshal, school officials said.

A copy of Thursday's bomb threat acquired by the USA Today Network disparaged Springfield's Haitian community and referenced false claims, spread by prominent conservative figures like former president Donald Trump, that immigrants were eating pets and wildlife.

The author of Thursday's bomb threat said they had planted bombs in Springfield City Hall, Springfield Driver Exam Station, Ohio License Bureau Southside, Springfield Academy of Excellence and Fulton Elementary School.

Even if you buy the absurdity that this community is in crisis because Haitian immigrants are eating people’s pets, can someone please explain why threatening to bomb an elementary school is the response? Like . . . Like, no matter how twisted your world view may be and no matter how susceptible to crackpot craziness you may be, how so you end up with, “Time to bomb the elementary schools.”

Seriously. Taking crazy to a whole new level.

[Alefroth]

I don't think anyone intended to bomb the schools. They just want to sow chaos and fear.

[Unagi]

no matter how twisted your world view may be and no matter how susceptible to crackpot craziness you may be, how so you end up with, “Time to bomb the elementary schools.”

Clearly it's some liberal cat lover...

See, if you are a childless cat-lady, you have no vested interest in the schools, but you damn well want the government to do something about all these cats being eaten.

[El Guapo]

Two Springfield public schools evacuated, one closed due to threats

Two Springfield City School District elementary schools were evacuated and a middle school was closed Friday morning after threats against the buildings were made, according to school officials.

Perrin Woods Elementary School and Snowhill Elementary School students were evacuated from their buildings Friday morning and moved to an "alternate district location," according to a SCSD news release. The district is currently dismissing students to their parents.

Additionally, Roosevelt Middle School was closed before the start of the school day related to the same threats.
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Friday marks the second day in a row that Springfield public school students were evacuated after the city gained national attention for unfounded right-wing rumors about the community's Haitian immigrant population.
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Thursday's evacuation of Fulton Elementary School was based on information received from the state fire marshal, school officials said.

A copy of Thursday's bomb threat acquired by the USA Today Network disparaged Springfield's Haitian community and referenced false claims, spread by prominent conservative figures like former president Donald Trump, that immigrants were eating pets and wildlife.

The author of Thursday's bomb threat said they had planted bombs in Springfield City Hall, Springfield Driver Exam Station, Ohio License Bureau Southside, Springfield Academy of Excellence and Fulton Elementary School.

Even if you buy the absurdity that this community is in crisis because Haitian immigrants are eating people’s pets, can someone please explain why threatening to bomb an elementary school is the response? Like . . . Like, no matter how twisted your world view may be and no matter how susceptible to crackpot craziness you may be, how so you end up with, “Time to bomb the elementary schools.”

Seriously. Taking crazy to a whole new level.

I would guess that the logic (such as it is) is that the Haitian community is taking over the town so that they need to be terrified into leaving. And decent chance that the person calling in the threat is not a local but some crazy person who has drunk all the online madness and has an image of the school as overwhelmed with Haitian children. All in service of rage and the desire to punish some other.

[Jaymann]

I love these billboards. I suspect psychopath.org was involved.

[EvilHomer3k]

Tomorrow is the VP debate on CBS at 8:00 PM CST. Is Vance going to continue to push the Haitian pet eating narrative? I assume he's going to continue to accuse Walz of stolen valor. Hopefully Walz is well prepared.
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/30/nx-s1-51 ... watch-time

[Jaymann]

I have no qualms about Walz being prepared. I hope he schools Vance on how tariffs actually work, as I'm sure any of his social studies students would know.

[YellowKing]

Walz is a self-confessed "not very good debater," and Vance actually is, so it's going to be an interesting matchup. I think Walz is going to have to win on charisma, something which Vance lacks in spades.

[Kraken]

Vance is a vicious attack dog, and that’s entertaining. Viewers who tune in to see blood drawn will not be disappointed. Walz’s strength is being a genuinely relatable good guy. I think if he just sticks to "friendly grandpa" and Vance looks like a bully, Walz can prevail. But I think this one’s more likely to end in a draw.

[El Guapo]

Vance is smart and amoral, so my guess is that he'll basically just pretend to be a normal pre-Trump Republican for an hour or so, and accuse Walz of lying anytime that Walz accurately describes him and Trump's records. I don't think it will be an easy debate for Walz at all.

[LordMortis]

Vance is smart and amoral, so my guess is that he'll basically just pretend to be a normal pre-Trump Republican for an hour or so, and accuse Walz of lying anytime that Walz accurately describes him and Trump's records. I don't think it will be an easy debate for Walz at all.

This. He's a practiced chameleon from what I've seen. Though I hope they ask him about Haitian cat eaters and childless cat ladies and press him on it. They won't but I still hope they do.

[YellowKing]

Even if they press him on those issues, he'll simply smile, deflect, and keep running his mouth while changing the subject. He's already had practice fielding those questions multiple times on the news outlets and he never broke a sweat.

[Jaymann]

Even if they press him on those issues, he'll simply smile, deflect, and keep running his mouth while changing the subject. He's already had practice fielding those questions multiple times on the news outlets and he never broke a sweat.

Like when he admitted his stories were made up?

[Zaxxon]

Even if they press him on those issues, he'll simply smile, deflect, and keep running his mouth while changing the subject. He's already had practice fielding those questions multiple times on the news outlets and he never broke a sweat.

Like when he admitted his stories were made up?

Yeah, I was about to say--he may not break a sweat, but he's fumbled answers badly multiple times recently. That may fly on cable news but may not quite as much to a national debate audience.

[El Guapo]

Even if they press him on those issues, he'll simply smile, deflect, and keep running his mouth while changing the subject. He's already had practice fielding those questions multiple times on the news outlets and he never broke a sweat.

Like when he admitted his stories were made up?

Yeah, I was about to say--he may not break a sweat, but he's fumbled answers badly multiple times recently. That may fly on cable news but may not quite as much to a national debate audience.

Did anyone watch his debate(s) when he was running for the Senate? I haven't, but they're probably the best clue as to how he'll perform tomorrow. I will say that there are a lot of indications so far that he may not be that good at running for office.

[gilraen]

Did anyone watch his debate(s) when he was running for the Senate?

I'm sure the Harris-Walz campaign has

[YellowKing]

Whichever way it goes, the big advantage for Team Harris is that Walz is riding a positive favorability rating and Vance is completely underwater. I think it's safe to say that this debate is unlikely to make Walz less likeable and JD more likeable, so ultimately it probably doesn't matter what comes out of their mouths.

[Holman]

Vance reminds me of Ted Cruz: he's verbally adept but smarmy and self-satisfied. He believes he's the smartest person in the room, even when he's peddling bullshit and knows it.

There's a reason debates never improved anyone's opinion of Ted Cruz.

[Zarathud]

JD Vance almost makes Ted Cruz look better.

[Unagi]

It's like that donut shop lady said:

Vance: "I'm JD Vance. I'm running for Vice President!"
Donut Shop Lady: "oh yeah? What can I get you."

[waitingtoconnect]

Anyone else tired of the media describing this debate in equal terms; like “the debate will be a fascinating contrast between two men with very different styles and political beliefs and two campaigns with distinct strategies for winning the White House”

[YellowKing]

I FULLY expect the mainstream media to spin this debate as a bit of a comeback for the Trump campaign. They're going to laud Vance's coherence, because all we've seen for the last years (aside from Pence's one debate) is complete insanity from the Republicans on the debate stage.

Always remember, the media wants a horse race, coin flip contest. That's their cash cow. Right now the Harris horse is ahead by a length, and they're going to do everything in their power to rein that horse back in.

I hope I'm dead wrong.
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Case in point, CNN recently ran articles on Walz being nervous about the debate, while the Vance article was positive and talked about his preparedness.

[Unagi]

I wonder if Walz will be bringing up any of the many things JD Vance has said about Trump in the before-times.

I wish there was some way for them to work that in. Not as a 'what do you really believe' thing - - but more of a 'this guy will back anything, if he can gain from it', while also delivering the baked-in argument that we all know, even JD Vance, that Trump is complete trash.

[LordMortis]

Yeah, I would love to see Walz somehow show the demonstrables of Shady's acts of chameleon before Thiel and then between Thiel and TFG.

[LawBeefaroni]

Whichever way it goes, the big advantage for Team Harris is that Walz is riding a positive favorability rating and Vance is completely underwater. I think it's safe to say that this debate is unlikely to make Walz less likeable and JD more likeable, so ultimately it probably doesn't matter what comes out of their mouths.

See, I see it as Vance really has nothing to lose and Walz does, as far a favorability goes. Any shift, however small, will be a win for Team MAGA.

Expect an attack on Walz's DUI and military record. Both are relatively minor issues when compared to his competition and peers but it's what they got.

I predict an unexpected moment of Dark Walz when he goes on the offense to defend his family. It will take an error in judgement on Vance's part but I think he makes it.

[Zaxxon]

Preview:

https://bsky.app/profile/jesseltaylor.b ... f23t32ou2n

[LordMortis]

That feel like a series of snapshots encompassing the last nine years. The added favor this time around would be "what is the Harris plan for bringing that cost down?"

[Zaxxon]

Governor Walz, you in fact would never buy skim milk!

[Isgrimnur]

He would if one of his kids asked for it.

[$iljanus]

With the current attack on Israel I think Walz wins the debate if he looks Vice Presidential and competent. Vance won’t make it easy by having a meltdown but Walz needs to portray him as not a serious person. And during these times of Middle East turmoil and natural disasters at home, we need serious people.