Canada 2015-25 and Beyond: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

[Rumpy]

If he's reviewing his tariffs,

You guys are still giving the role of logic way too much credit in this scenario. There is no logic, there is no plan - there are feelings and speeches. He could wake up tomorrow and put 100% tarriffs on everything even if a country did everything he wanted. There is no rhyme or reason - you'll go crazy trying to find one.

I'm just going by what's already been posted. But I agree, he seems to be making it up as it goes along.

[waitingtoconnect]

Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping

I firmly believe that while good people exist evil cannot triumph. Canadians are overwhelmingly good people in my experience, and that basic goodness is acknowledged around the world.

I hope you are ok, and I will share my story in the hopes it helps you. Late last year about a month before the election my wife took her own life. The results have been devastating to those of us she left behind. I found her body and now I truly know what PTSD is.

The problems don’t go away with ending your life this way, it complicates things greatly for your loved ones and your family.

[waitingtoconnect]

If he's reviewing his tariffs,

You guys are still giving the role of logic way too much credit in this scenario. There is no logic, there is no plan - there are feelings and speeches. He could wake up tomorrow and put 100% tarriffs on everything even if a country did everything he wanted. There is no rhyme or reason - you'll go crazy trying to find one.

I'm just going by what's already been posted. But I agree, he seems to be making it up as it goes along.

Someone in his inner circle who stands to make a lot of money by a forced union is whispering in his ear. Just like trump 1.0. We just have to hope that person falls out of favor.

[GreenGoo]

Well at least he's finally dispensing with the bullshit that these tariffs had anything to do with border security.

Well at least that removes Smith's excuses about "saving" the eastern provinces.

[Rumpy]

If he's reviewing his tariffs,

You guys are still giving the role of logic way too much credit in this scenario. There is no logic, there is no plan - there are feelings and speeches. He could wake up tomorrow and put 100% tarriffs on everything even if a country did everything he wanted. There is no rhyme or reason - you'll go crazy trying to find one.

I'm just going by what's already been posted. But I agree, he seems to be making it up as it goes along.

Someone in his inner circle who stands to make a lot of money by a forced union is whispering in his ear. Just like trump 1.0. We just have to hope that person falls out of favor.

We have to hope all of them fall out of favor by doing something stupid enough that it ends up hindering them. Someone sooner or later is bound to run head first into a tripwire due to rushing into things with a lack of awareness, so to speak.

[Kraken]

Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping

I firmly believe that while good people exist evil cannot triumph. Canadians are overwhelmingly good people in my experience, and that basic goodness is acknowledged around the world.

I hope you are ok, and I will share my story in the hopes it helps you. Late last year about a month before the election my wife took her own life. The results have been devastating to those of us she left behind. I found her body and now I truly know what PTSD is.

The problems don’t go away with ending your life this way, it complicates things greatly for your loved ones and your family.

Geez man, really sorry to read that. Puts my little worries and problems in perspective.

[Sudy]

Late last year about a month before the election my wife took her own life. The results have been devastating to those of us she left behind. I found her body and now I truly know what PTSD is.

I'm so sorry, waitingtoconnect.

[GreenGoo]

Geez man, really sorry to read that. Puts my little worries and problems in perspective.

Yeah, I missed that. I'm so sorry waitingtoconnect.

[hepcat]

I’m so sorry for your loss, Waiting. And I’m truly touched that you use that pain to help others rethink such a tragedy.

[Rumpy]

Wow, that's terrible. I'm sorry you've had to go through with all that! Thank you for the kind words about us. I feel like our complaints must sound so petty in comparison.

IceBear, I think that everyone deals with the stress and anxiety differently, and I think this is no different. What is different is the kind of situation that we've been put into, one that we don't exactly know how to process due to all the undue attention. But I firmly believe that we'll all get through this, and as a Country, I think we'll have learned a thing or two in the end, and we'll be stronger for it. It will be but a bump in the road to the future. We've faced worse.

[Victoria Raverna]

Maybe Canada and Mexico should join BRICS?

[IceBear]

Things look so bleak in my mind, my thoughts are straying to suicidal. I don't want to live in a world where Trump and evil wins. I'm not actively there yet, but I slept 0 last night so that's not helping

I firmly believe that while good people exist evil cannot triumph. Canadians are overwhelmingly good people in my experience, and that basic goodness is acknowledged around the world.

I hope you are ok, and I will share my story in the hopes it helps you. Late last year about a month before the election my wife took her own life. The results have been devastating to those of us she left behind. I found her body and now I truly know what PTSD is.

The problems don’t go away with ending your life this way, it complicates things greatly for your loved ones and your family.

OMG I am so sorry to hear that...really puts my worries into perspective. Sorry for bringing up such painful memories

[LordMortis]

Maybe Canada and Mexico should join BRICS?

You presumably are being cynical but that is what the US is doing to long standing allies and why wouldn't their allies look elsewhere? We are, at our best possibility, unreliable at this point while stability and reliability had been the selling point of our alliances for nearly a century. We're in a very bad way and have a large populace that at best remain ignorant, at the middle probably don't care, or at worst keep pushing us along.

[Victoria Raverna]

Maybe Canada and Mexico should join BRICS?

You presumably are being cynical but that is what the US is doing to long standing allies and why wouldn't their allies look elsewhere? We are, at our best possibility, unreliable at this point while stability and reliability had been the selling point of our alliances for nearly a century. We're in a very bad way and have a large populace that at best remain ignorant, at the middle probably don't care, or at worst keep pushing us along.

I'm serious that Canada and Mexico should join BRICS since US is declaring a trade war against those two countries.

One of BRICS's goal is to reduce dependence on US and the U.S. dollar.

[LordMortis]

For Canada, I don't see that at all. I would think it reasonable though to strengthen ties directly with the EU as we isolate ourselves. That seems completely reasonable to me. Mexico OtOH, has only been working this way since NAFTA, so that's the Clinton era. Their ties to Western Europe could be undone with nationalization like that as their relationship with US collapses. With many of their partners in SA already moving in that direction, it is not unreasonable to think we could drive them into BRICS arms.

[waitingtoconnect]

OMG I am so sorry to hear that...really puts my worries into perspective. Sorry for bringing up such painful memories

Thanks for everyone’s kind words. I’ve learnt from that experience to take these things very seriously. I hope you are feeling ok.

[IceBear]

Yeah, I keep getting annoyed at people up here blaming all of this on Trudeau. Sure, he might not have helped, but it's been this way since 1935 and since Trump says there's nothing we could do to stop the tariffs, it means it's purely arbitrary on his part. I dunno, maybe he is a genius and everything will work out for you guys as he's promising, but the bulk of experts disagree.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-tar ... -1.7447878

[IceBear]

I'm starting to side with those that say we shouldn't counter-tariff. I know we should stand up to bullies, but I fully expect that if we counter tariff, he's going to raise the tariffs on us to 50 or 100% and only accept us becoming a US territory to end it. He's drunk with power.

[LordMortis]

Yeah, I keep getting annoyed at people up here blaming all of this on Trudeau. Sure, he might not have helped, but it's been this way since 1935 and since Trump says there's nothing we could do to stop the tariffs, it means it's purely arbitrary on his part. I dunno, maybe he is a genius and everything will work out for you guys as he's promising, but the bulk of experts disagree.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-tar ... -1.7447878

If you just stopped fetinol abuse in US he would... come up with some other reason to use border control against you...

[Blackhawk]

As one of the de facto bullies, I hope someone stands up to us and knocks us on our ass.

[IceBear]

Given how he reacted when Colombia stood up to him, I expect the 25% tariffs to jump to 50 or 100% as a start.

[LordMortis]

Given how he reacted when Colombia stood up to him, I expect the 25% tariffs to jump to 50 or 100% as a start.

By doing absolutely nothing on either side and then having this GOP Administration proclaim some sort of victory and back down? Colombia should have exposed him for a fraud but that this is just one in a long list of fraudulent things that just don't matter.

I truly hope ally'all kick us in the nads. How else are we going to learn? And I truly hope it's the conservative sociopathic billionaire class in the US that somehow suffers for it. It wouldn't be and as we all know hope is not a strategy but that's still my hope.

[Blackhawk]

If those nations targeted (be that Canada or Colombia) quietly acquiesce, he is emboldened and continues, and has his methods justified.

If they fight back, he retaliates and hurts them more.

And the only hope for us (the sane minority?) is for them to sacrifice their own well-being to teach us a lesson. That's not something I would expect any nation to do.

What a fucked up mess.

[IceBear]

And while he's ruining the economies of his two neighbours and biggest trading partners, he's golfing. Not surprised

[Rumpy]

Maybe Canada and Mexico should join BRICS?

One thing I've been seeing floating around the news feeds over the years is the possibility of ANZUK, an alliance between Australia, New Zealand and the UK. We're already more closely aligned with our interests, being that we're in the commonwealth.

I'm starting to side with those that say we shouldn't counter-tariff. I know we should stand up to bullies, but I fully expect that if we counter tariff, he's going to raise the tariffs on us to 50 or 100% and only accept us becoming a US territory to end it. He's drunk with power.

If we give in and let him take advantage of us, he'll continue to walk all over us. We need to be strong against him at all costs and show him what it's like when Canadians get angry. I bet he hasn't seen an angry beaver! No, we just need to present a united front. We won't be toyed with.

[Blackhawk]

Just kidding - those we respect and like (as most Americans do Canadians) getting genuinely pissed and turning on us would be a good thing.

[GreenGoo]

If you just stopped fetinol abuse in US he would... come up with some other reason to use border control against you...

Thank you.

[LordMortis]

If you just stopped fetinol abuse in US he would... come up with some other reason to use border control against you...

Thank you.

I mean if he wanted to at least make it sound like real thing, he should have demanded stopping Calmato abuse from across the border instead.

[IceBear]

So the thought of annexation is now being more seriously considered

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump- ... -1.7447927

[IceBear]

Yeah, reports are saying that the tariffs will go up if we retaliate

[Smoove_B]

Will go into effect starting on Tuesday:

President Donald Trump launched a trade war against Canada on Saturday by imposing a 25 per cent tariff on virtually all goods from this country — an unprecedented strike against a longstanding ally that has the potential to throw the economy into a tailspin.

Trump's long-threatened plan to inflict economic pain on Canada has materialized on the day he said it would, and it includes a 10 per cent tariff on Canadian energy products, according to a senior Canadian official who shared details of Trump's plan with CBC News.

...

Canada is expected to hit back later Saturday with retaliatory tariffs of its own to make Trump think twice about taking on his country's biggest customer.

Ottawa was warned that Trump's tariffs could go higher if Canada does retaliate, the government source said.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is meeting with premiers to brief them on what Canada is prepared to do in response to Trump's trade action. Trudeau is expected to make an announcement at 6 p.m. ET, sources told CBC News.

...

Some $800 billion worth of goods crossed the Canada-U.S. border in the first nine months of 2024 alone, according to Canadian government data.

I don't know what the right move is here, but JFC.

[Alefroth]

I regularly order tea from Murchie's in Vancouver. The US wouldn't be able to apply the tariff to that, would they?

[Rumpy]

Well, he's messed with the wrong Country, I'll tell you that.

[Holman]

As much as I don't want to suffer from economic distress, I really hope that Canada and Mexico and everyone else can make Trump look like a loser. That kind of personal and shared suffering might be necessary to save my country.

[LordMortis]

As much as I don't want to suffer from economic distress, I really hope that Canada and Mexico and everyone else can make Trump look like a loser. That kind of personal and shared suffering might be necessary to save my country.

Yep.

[Alefroth]

As much as I don't want to suffer from economic distress, I really hope that Canada and Mexico and everyone else can make Trump look like a loser. That kind of personal and shared suffering might be necessary to save my country.

Or make him even more dangerous.

[Alefroth]

I think it is unlikely that it will come down to military action, but as a commonwealth nation, if it does, are there agreements that oblige other commonwealth nations to come to your defense?

[IceBear]

We have noted how quiet the UK have been so far, but we're also a NATO member

[Max Peck]

I think it is unlikely that it will come down to military action, but as a commonwealth nation, if it does, are there agreements that oblige other commonwealth nations to come to your defense?

The commonwealth isn't a military alliance, so no.

[Max Peck]

We have noted how quiet the UK have been so far, but we're also a NATO member

I doubt that NATO would intervene. Since there is no mechanism to expel a member state, I expect that NATO would cease to exist as all the other members would withdraw and reform as an EU-centric alliance to defend against Russia in the east and Fascist Magamerica in the west. I'd also expect China to take advantage of the turmoil to make their move on Taiwan.