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I hope Trump and everyone else from his campaign never got within sixtwenty feet of Biden and his campaign during the debate.

https://twitter.com/jenniferjjacobs/sta ... 23905?s=21

So maybe not asymptomatic.

Agree with Grif about the scariest possibility here. Trump gets completely incapacitated (remember when B Johnson had it so bad that there were rumors that at one point power was transferred to...the next guy?) and Boom Pence is on the ticket.

That’s some Shallow State conspiracy shit right there, but imagine our oligarchs, and the powerful ppl with the most to lose with a blue wave kind of election. They see the disastrous writing on the wall, Trump has become too much of a wildcard, and the only way to reverse things is to try and get Pence in power. A VERY willing and slimy toady. He’s like a puppet master’s wet dream he’s so sycophantic.

Some holes in my conspiracy theory:
1. Too late to get Pence on ballot (I presume) since voting has already begun.
2. HUGE risk that your evil plan backfires spectacularly and the country implodes, politically, and you end up under the proverbial guillotine.

I say all that mostly in jest of course, but there ARE insanely wealthy and powerful people with a lot to lose with not just a Trump loss, but a complete national pivot away from the sheep-like populism that has been front and center the past 4 years.

Now I just need a logo and a name for my newly created anti-oligarch conspiracy theory movement. Is “CPAnon” taken? u

Pence is negative.

Mnuchin is also negative which is important because he's been meeting with Congress often, including with Pelosi.

Defiant wrote:I hope Trump and everyone else from his campaign never got within sixtwenty feet of Biden and his campaign during the debate.

This our concern, Dude.


We know that the COVID is spread more...effectively with extreme breathing like from athletics, singing and in this case, bloviating.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:29 am Pence is negative.

Mnuchin is also negative which is important because he's been meeting with Congress often, including with Pelosi.

Negative now.

Holman wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:11 am

Paingod wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:48 am
My hope is that he has to ride out the election from a hospital bed, where his uncertain health has him stricken from the ballot. His followers will have to vote Pence.

Isn’t it too late to strike him from the ballot? Voting has already begun.

I suppose my thought was that you'd have to be a complete ninny to vote for someone who's laying in a hospital bed and still has a shot at dying there. They'd be casting their votes for Pence, even if Trump had his name there.

Would MAGA cultists still scrawl their X over his name and hope their combined love for liberal tears could bring their man-child demigod through to wellness?

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:31 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:29 am Pence is negative.

Mnuchin is also negative which is important because he's been meeting with Congress often, including with Pelosi.

Negative now.

Right. But hopefully if they flip positive they'll have been lockdown during the transmissible phase. Such as we know it, anyway. Load is important.

$iljanus wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:35 am If Trump is incapacitated and Pence goes down next the acting president will be...Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

I wonder (just dreaming here) if she would be allowed to withdraw the SCOTUS nomination...

Grifman wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:24 am Pence would have a much better chance against Biden than Trump.

I don't know if that's entirely accurate.

One may say the same thing if Mitch McConnel was suddenly on the presidential ticket.... but he actually polls worse than Trump in Kentucky right now (vs his challenger). I think Trump is a special person to a lot of 'his base', and that Pence wouldn't really light the fire.

I read earlier that a 74-year-old With the virus still has only about a 5% chance of dying from it (although Trump’s obesity does bump up that up somewhat).

Considering that he has constant access to the best health care in the world, I think we should assume Trump will survive this.

Unagi wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:45 am

$iljanus wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:35 am If Trump is incapacitated and Pence goes down next the acting president will be...Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

I wonder (just dreaming here) if she would be allowed to withdraw the SCOTUS nomination...

There might be the possibility that there would be lawsuits. There is at least some uncertainty around the Succession Act. There are definitional Constitutional issues and there is some ground to think that in this atmosphere that someone might potentially contest a very unlikely scenario where both go down -- especially Pompeo since he is directly after the 'potentially un-Constitutional' Congress members.

Defiant wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:50 am https://twitter.com/iamKimRL/status/1311901236082298880

Nice one.

Biyobi wrote:"How are we going to prevent the President from making an ass of himself again during the next debate?"

"Tell him he's got COVID and quarantine him."

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Holman wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:52 am I read earlier that a 74-year-old With the virus still has only about a 5% chance of dying from it (although Trump’s obesity does bump up that up somewhat).

Considering that he has constant access to the best health care in the world, I think we should assume Trump will survive this.

Right but even a small (1-5% chance) of death within 30 days is a high risk considering the political situation here.

I imagine one story that comes from all this will be the level of care the President gets , vs the average American.

Holman wrote:https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1311 ... 56096?s=21

I don’t get it. Why is that critical? That they knew about Hicks 24h earlier than they disclosed it?

Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:05 am

Holman wrote:https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1311 ... 56096?s=21

I don’t get it. Why is that critical? That they knew about Hicks 24h earlier than they disclosed it?

We only know this because it was leaked. We don't know if they would have disclosed it. In fact, Trump knew about Hicks and had cabinet and staff meetings in person.

Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:05 am I don’t get it. Why is that critical? That they knew about Hicks 24h earlier than disclosing it?

It would be entirely consistent with this administration to try to hide bad news as long as possible and to bury it if Trump showed no symptoms.

Trump attended a meet and greet fundraiser on Wednesday after he already knew of Hicks’ positive test.

malchior wrote:

Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:05 am

Holman wrote:https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1311 ... 56096?s=21

I don’t get it. Why is that critical? That they knew about Hicks 24h earlier than they disclosed it?

We only know this because it was leaked. We don't know if they would have disclosed it. In fact, Trump knew about Hicks and had cabinet and staff meetings in person.

Ah. Wow, that is pretty big, but completely aligned and consistent with how this shitshow admin operates.

Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:11 am

malchior wrote:

Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:05 am

Holman wrote:https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1311 ... 56096?s=21

I don’t get it. Why is that critical? That they knew about Hicks 24h earlier than they disclosed it?

We only know this because it was leaked. We don't know if they would have disclosed it. In fact, Trump knew about Hicks and had cabinet and staff meetings in person.

Ah. Wow, that is pretty big, but completely aligned and consistent with how this shitshow admin operates.

To be fair this is chaotic so people might be getting their time lines wrong but the NY Times story today says that staffers thought he was lethargic all day yesterday and fell asleep on the way home from the debate. This will all come down to when did the President know what he knew and what did he do. What he did yesterday was meet 100 people at his golf course here in NJ.

Edit: Also, I can't help but think this is already unmanageable within the government. He has been holding his super spreader events, plus all the meetings and campaigning, plus the weekend SCOTUS stuff. We'll have to see how far this spreads but Trump's malpractice doesn't seem to have a bottom.

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:20 amTo be fair this is chaotic so people might be getting their time lines wrong but the NY Times story today says that staffers thought he was lethargic all day yesterday and fell asleep on the way home from the debate. This will all come down to when did the President know what he knew and what did he do. What he did yesterday was meet 100 people at his golf course here in NJ.

NPR has a rough timeline of the last week.

Am I a bad person that I wish that the Hannity interview was in person?

Smoove_B wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:21 am

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:20 amTo be fair this is chaotic so people might be getting their time lines wrong but the NY Times story today says that staffers thought he was lethargic all day yesterday and fell asleep on the way home from the debate. This will all come down to when did the President know what he knew and what did he do. What he did yesterday was meet 100 people at his golf course here in NJ.

NPR has a rough timeline of the last week.

Right it still is missing some of the key stuff. Hicks supposedly came down with symptoms pre-debate and was tested again yesterdayWednesday or Thursday. Again unconfirmed yet I believe. Trump was at least known exposed by sometime yesterday yet went on to hold events/meetings though he himself might have been feeling ill. In any case, the circle is really wide on this one. I'm expecting turbulence here.

If we assume that Trump and/or someone in his entourage was infectious at the debate (and it seems like Hicks was, though I'm not sure whether she was present at the debate)...how soon would we know whether Biden contracted it? I assume (under the assumption that Biden and his people are getting tested daily) within a few days? I also assume that the Biden people are smart enough to isolate Biden from everyone on his team that was present.

I figure (given the format) that he *probably* didn't get it...but sure would be good to know.

El Guapo wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:29 am If we assume that Trump and/or someone in his entourage was infectious at the debate (and it seems like Hicks was, though I'm not sure whether she was present at the debate)...how soon would we know whether Biden contracted it? I assume (under the assumption that Biden and his people are getting tested daily) within a few days? I also assume that the Biden people are smart enough to isolate Biden from everyone on his team that was present.

I figure (given the format) that he *probably* didn't get it...but sure would be good to know.

Let's say he was exposed Tuesday - I think the range is 5-14 days. So 10/5 - 10/13 onset would be a possible range under that guidance. That is a real though perhaps again small risk now. But this could really get out of control.

Regarding the actual exposure scenarios, in short...it's complicated. And given the Trump administration's general attitude towards recommended safety protocols for COVID, I'm not sure they're going to figure out exactly what happened.

https://twitter.com/MoNscience/status/1 ... 2566049794

Holman wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:54 am https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1311 ... 56096?s=21

Well that makes some of the conspiracy theories much less plausible then; at least I think it does...
If you're going for sympathy don't u announce this asap? OTOH, this administration is a cluster F. They could have just bungled it.
So many endless rabbit holes to dive down in the conspiracy theory realm.

GungHo wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:36 amSo many endless rabbit holes to dive down in the conspiracy theory realm.

When it comes to Trump, it's best to look down the path of depraved indifference to anyone but himself first. The answers usually lie that way.

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:33 amBut this could really get out of control.

Biden is definitely in the danger window here, particularly when you consider he was ~6 feet from Trump yelling for ~90 minutes. I think it would be safe to assume Trump had the virus on Tuesday night at the debate. Whether or not it was circulating at levels that made him infectious, that's the $750 question. It wouldn't surprise me to learn he was teetering on the edge of being visibly symptomatic, and the stress of dealing with the debate put his immune system over the edge and finally gave the advantage to the virus.

Regardless, Team Biden needs to be on ultra-high alert right now. Basically the complete opposite of what Trump and his goons have been doing since March.

I've also seen two time lines. One where she get symptoms on debate night and one where it is Wednesday. Either way we're talking a day off but someone in his circle was showing symptoms at best on Wednesday and Trump still recklessly continued on. Not that I'm surprised but the whole thing is pretty crappy.

The circle expands. She was with Trump on Friday and tested positive Wednesday. Can we call this the 'Trump COVID-19 outbreak' yet? Pretty please.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 9538749440

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status ... 3961729024

Oh, he's definitely in the thoughts of quite a lot of people, I would think.

Unagi wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:45 am

$iljanus wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:35 am If Trump is incapacitated and Pence goes down next the acting president will be...Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

I wonder (just dreaming here) if she would be allowed to withdraw the SCOTUS nomination...

I would say 100% yes - I don't see how that would even be a debatable question. She would be the president, so she would then have the power to submit and withdraw nominations at her discretion.

HOWEVER, I also assume that McConnell would fast-track a confirmation vote while Trump and Pence were on their last hours, in this scenario.

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:49 am Can we call this the 'Trump COVID-19 outbreak' yet? Pretty please

Technically right now it should be the Trump COVID-19 cluster, but it's still early and as you're seeing, the circle is expanding.

Name this band!

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1311872299268800518

I hope he lives, especially through the election, but my mind keeps flashing to the movie trope where, at the very end, the villain lies dying. The villain's last sight through fading vision is watching his grand plan crumble to dust, making all of his acts meaningless. And when that flashes through my mind, what I see is Trump lying in bed, watching the election results.