"Meet the Robinsons" WW game - Robinsons win!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:17 pm

Issy, could we get a vote totals when you get a chance. Thank you.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:29 pm

I was waiting on a new page to get it near the top. Glad to oblige.

Scoop20906 (0): theohall, msteelers, Lassr, msteelers, Unagi, Remus West, msteelers, stessier
Chaosraven (0): theohall, Lassr
Grundbegriff (0): Scoop20906, Newcastle, Unagi, theohall
theohall (1): stessier, Qantaga, Qantaga
Unagi (0): Grundbegriff, stessier, Remus West, msteelers, Newcastle
stessier (3): Newcastle, Remus West, Newcastle, Lassr, theohall, Unagi, Chaosraven
msteelers (1): stessier, stessier
Lassr (0): Scoop20906, Chaosraven, msteelers, Remus West, Unagi, stessier

No active votes: Scoop20906, msteelers, Remus West, Newcastle, Chaosraven, Grundbegriff

Majority is six.

So we're grounding "No active votes" then?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:35 pm

stessier

he is at n-2 now...sooo "finish him!"

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:57 pm

I'm not sure where to vote. I'd really like this to be my first no "good" death game so I'm taking this vote seriously.

Grund and Unagi have made their points about Stessier. He is not a bad choice to test today. Is he the final baddie who didn't advise his partner to claim Seer?

If I am profiling (how un-PC of me) then this is a strong data point to me. There are two types of individuals who would not push Lagom to claim Seer. Players who tend to ignore the strategy (Me and theohall for example) and players who were too busy or not involved at the time Lagom was in side-shuffle mode.

That leaves two sets (again this is my opinion):

Ignore the Strategy Types:
Theohall
Scoop20906 (Uncontested Wilbur)
msteelers (was an early voter for Lagom)

Too Busy or Not Involved During Lagom's Struggles:
Grundbegriff
Chaosraven
Theohall

Using my subjective criteria, theohall manages to show up on both lists. I'm cool with voting theohall today.

Ground theohall

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:58 pm

uncle stessier

n-1, baby

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:05 pm

Scoop20906 (0): theohall, msteelers, Lassr, msteelers, Unagi, Remus West, msteelers, stessier
Chaosraven (0): theohall, Lassr
Grundbegriff (0): Scoop20906, Newcastle, Unagi, theohall
theohall (2): stessier, Qantaga, Qantaga, Scoop20906
Unagi (0): Grundbegriff, stessier, Remus West, msteelers, Newcastle
stessier (5): Newcastle, Remus West, Newcastle, Lassr, theohall, Unagi, Chaosraven, Newcastle, Chaosraven
msteelers (1): stessier, stessier
Lassr (0): Scoop20906, Chaosraven, msteelers, Remus West, Unagi, stessier

No active votes: msteelers, Remus West, Grundbegriff

Majority is six.

stessier is at n-1

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:06 pm

For what it is worth, I think stessier is wrong about who Lewis is.

I'm not feeling as though stessier is evil but I do feel he is going to need to be lynched or scanned. Given the "proof" of Lassr and the role claim of Scoop I think it would be a waste to scan either of them this round. Thus we could easily leave stessier to be scanned. I am a bit worried about Grund, who mentioned the idea of leaving a specific target for scanning as somewhat clever when I applied it to Scoop doesn't even mention it as a possibility regarding stessier yet he does mention the doubt he has regarding stessier's guilt.

Grundbegriff

The problem is I do think Chaosraven needs to be scanned too but I think the bad guy is between stessier, Grund, and Chaosraven.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:10 pm

Scan me, baby. But I am a Robinson.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:26 pm

Remus West wrote:For what it is worth, I think stessier is wrong about who Lewis is.

I'm not feeling as though stessier is evil but I do feel he is going to need to be lynched or scanned. Given the "proof" of Lassr and the role claim of Scoop I think it would be a waste to scan either of them this round. Thus we could easily leave stessier to be scanned. I am a bit worried about Grund, who mentioned the idea of leaving a specific target for scanning as somewhat clever when I applied it to Scoop doesn't even mention it as a possibility regarding stessier yet he does mention the doubt he has regarding stessier's guilt.

Grundbegriff

The problem is I do think Chaosraven needs to be scanned too but I think the bad guy is between stessier, Grund, and Chaosraven.

I too felt like Grund is trying to guide things again. I've felt like he has been up to this all game and also was not involved (probably because of work) when Lagom was scrambling. I could vote for Grund too.

Remus, what is your opinion of Theohall and my theory about him from before? Why are you giving him a pass?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:40 pm

Grund's dissection of the game has also sent tingles down my spine. It did feel like the evil Grund directing us again. But I can't be sure and am willing to wait a little longer on grounding him.

I still want to ground stessier this round.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:08 pm

Heh, Grund directing things is just Grund being Grund imo. I just think he has left some things out that I find interesting AND his analysis during the first day was out of character. It reads as though he was gently trying to buy Lagom another day.

Scoop, I find theohall to be acting much as he claims. Uninterested. Evil theohall tends to be hyper focused. I doubt his ability to play the lay low type of evil guy (much like myself, just can't do it) as his interest in the outcome would force the urge to comment out of him and onto his keyboard. I also don't think evil Theohall gets all impatient and casts that vote on Lagom. I think evil admits their partner is going down much earlier than that and jumps on or stays away entirely. Day 1 there are plenty of reasons to avoid joining a bandwagon. Easily as many as there are for joining one. Why would evil help lynch their partner when it would put such pressure on them?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:26 pm

Remus West wrote:Heh, Grund directing things is just Grund being Grund imo. I just think he has left some things out that I find interesting AND his analysis during the first day was out of character. It reads as though he was gently trying to buy Lagom another day.

Scoop, I find theohall to be acting much as he claims. Uninterested. Evil theohall tends to be hyper focused. I doubt his ability to play the lay low type of evil guy (much like myself, just can't do it) as his interest in the outcome would force the urge to comment out of him and onto his keyboard. I also don't think evil Theohall gets all impatient and casts that vote on Lagom. I think evil admits their partner is going down much earlier than that and jumps on or stays away entirely. Day 1 there are plenty of reasons to avoid joining a bandwagon. Easily as many as there are for joining one. Why would evil help lynch their partner when it would put such pressure on them?

You got it right, Remus West, for whatever that is worth.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:37 pm

Remus' list is the same as my list.
I'm fine with Grund today or tomorrow.

My Lagom analysis points to Grund mostly (as I've stated previously)

Stessier has done nothing to help us. And a bit to flounder us. And really, his posts seem almost already defeated (anyone else get that feel?)

Chaos has played the straight and narrow.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:40 pm

theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:Heh, Grund directing things is just Grund being Grund imo. I just think he has left some things out that I find interesting AND his analysis during the first day was out of character. It reads as though he was gently trying to buy Lagom another day.

Scoop, I find theohall to be acting much as he claims. Uninterested. Evil theohall tends to be hyper focused. I doubt his ability to play the lay low type of evil guy (much like myself, just can't do it) as his interest in the outcome would force the urge to comment out of him and onto his keyboard. I also don't think evil Theohall gets all impatient and casts that vote on Lagom. I think evil admits their partner is going down much earlier than that and jumps on or stays away entirely. Day 1 there are plenty of reasons to avoid joining a bandwagon. Easily as many as there are for joining one. Why would evil help lynch their partner when it would put such pressure on them?
You got it right, Remus West, for whatever that is worth.

And, evil Theohall doesn't reply to Remus right out of the gate.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:41 pm

Unagi wrote: Stessier has done nothing to help us. And a bit to flounder us. And really, his posts seem almost already defeated (anyone else get that feel?)

yup

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:46 pm

Unagi wrote:Stessier has done nothing to help us. And a bit to flounder us. And really, his posts seem almost already defeated (anyone else get that feel?)
.

Defeated? I don't think so. But then things never seem to work out how I envision.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:00 pm

Unagi wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote: withdraw Unagi

My sentiments have shifted.
I actually think that's the first time you have ever put a vote on me and then removed it.
Damn... I think I proved both of us once with magic hilt, and you still didn't remove your vote for me.

Yeah, but that time I knew exactly what was going on!

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:02 pm

Unagi wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
Unagi wrote:Which was actually just me saying that I felt Newcastle was good, and would be annoyed if I was wrong.
I didn't take that as some big revelation. Just the expression of an intuition or inference. Did you mean it as some big revelation?
Like I said - I was just saying that I felt Newcastle was good, and would be annoyed if I was wrong.

That has to be toward the bottom on the 'some big revelation' scale, wouldn't you say?

Definitely. That's why stessier's move seems inexplicable. If he ends up good and he's not Lewis, then it's just an outright blunder, I think.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:06 pm

Remus West wrote:I am a bit worried about Grund, who mentioned the idea of leaving a specific target for scanning as somewhat clever when I applied it to Scoop doesn't even mention it as a possibility regarding stessier yet he does mention the doubt he has regarding stessier's guilt.

You do know that there's only one scanner, right?

The problem is I do think Chaosraven needs to be scanned too but I think the bad guy is between stessier, Grund, and Chaosraven.

Since you must be Good, you're clearly not trying to be tricksy. But that makes your neglect of every low-profiler except Chaosraven somewhat puzzling.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:16 pm

Remus West wrote:Scoop, I find theohall to be acting much as he claims. Uninterested. Evil theohall tends to be hyper focused.

Who was it that time who kept an extremely uninvolved profile and then turned out to be evil. Was that Newcastle? theohall? I know it happened, but I can't recall who did it.

I also don't think evil Theohall gets all impatient and casts that vote on Lagom. I think evil admits their partner is going down much earlier than that and jumps on or stays away entirely.

How that might play out would depend in part on whether theohall was forging his own path or rather being prompted by Lagom.

Why would evil help lynch their partner when it would put such pressure on them?

Some people like a crucible.

Of course, I don't have theohall pegged as someone who would invite that sort of scrutiny. But I can tell you this: some players who don't have much experience playing Evil panic when the heat is on and think, far too early, that their cover is blown. Many times, playing on the Evil team, I've had to calm down my panicky partners and help them ride a wave to which they might otherwise have overreacted. If Lagom (whose experience is in fact fairly limited despite the strength of his showing) felt the tide had already turned against him and mistook probing for persecution, he might've overreacted in that way and urged his partner into buy-some-cred mode.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:20 pm

Unagi wrote:
theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:Heh, Grund directing things is just Grund being Grund imo. I just think he has left some things out that I find interesting AND his analysis during the first day was out of character. It reads as though he was gently trying to buy Lagom another day.

Scoop, I find theohall to be acting much as he claims. Uninterested. Evil theohall tends to be hyper focused. I doubt his ability to play the lay low type of evil guy (much like myself, just can't do it) as his interest in the outcome would force the urge to comment out of him and onto his keyboard. I also don't think evil Theohall gets all impatient and casts that vote on Lagom. I think evil admits their partner is going down much earlier than that and jumps on or stays away entirely. Day 1 there are plenty of reasons to avoid joining a bandwagon. Easily as many as there are for joining one. Why would evil help lynch their partner when it would put such pressure on them?
You got it right, Remus West, for whatever that is worth.
And, evil Theohall doesn't reply to Remus right out of the gate.

That's actually a good point. On the other hand, Lassr used to be transparent like that and somehow evolved into a sneaky Babbage.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:22 pm

All caught up.

I see analysis from many quarters -- include some I naturally disagree with -- and nothing gives me second thoughts about trying stessier. So....

stessier

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:22 pm

or you may have stayed away from voting him as you calmly waited for the tide to turn another direction. Newcastle did the extreme low profile evil.

As for being paranoid regarding the dark bird, who else is as prone to attack me?

As for being tricksy, I think it more an issue of being aware that I should be killed tonight as I am the only sure bet they have. Thus I felt there was no need to hedge my bets or ideas before going out.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:23 pm

Grundbegriff wrote: On the other hand, Lassr used to be transparent like that and somehow evolved into a sneaky Babbage.

you make it sound like the village idiot can never learn.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:25 pm

Scoop20906 (0): theohall, msteelers, Lassr, msteelers, Unagi, Remus West, msteelers, stessier
Chaosraven (0): theohall, Lassr
Grundbegriff (1): Scoop20906, Newcastle, Unagi, theohall, Remus West
theohall (2): stessier, Qantaga, Qantaga, Scoop20906
Unagi (0): Grundbegriff, stessier, Remus West, msteelers, Newcastle
stessier (6): Newcastle, Remus West, Newcastle, Lassr, theohall, Unagi, Chaosraven, Newcastle, Chaosraven, Grundbegriff
msteelers (1): stessier, stessier
Lassr (0): Scoop20906, Chaosraven, msteelers, Remus West, Unagi, stessier

No active votes: msteelers

Majority is six.

Voting is closed Writeup will come later this evening.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:26 pm

Lassr wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote: On the other hand, Lassr used to be transparent like that and somehow evolved into a sneaky Babbage.
you make it sound like the village idiot can never learn.

It's not that I doubted you'd become more sneaky; it's that your sneakiness came upon me suddenly. Remember? It felt like I went from being able to read you every time to having no idea what you were up to.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:28 pm

Lassr wrote:you make it sound like the village idiot can never learn.

The only thing I saw him write about Chaosraven was that I ignored the other silent ones in favor of doubting him. Who is this idiot you are talking about?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:13 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote: On the other hand, Lassr used to be transparent like that and somehow evolved into a sneaky Babbage.
you make it sound like the village idiot can never learn.
It's not that I doubted you'd become more sneaky; it's that your sneakiness came upon me suddenly. Remember? It felt like I went from being able to read you every time to having no idea what you were up to.

a good general must adapt.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:22 pm

Fingers crossed that we've ended the evil right here and now.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:28 pm

Alright Isg. It has been an hour already since you closed the voting.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:14 pm

Qantaga wrote:Fingers crossed that we've ended the evil right here and now.

for not being one of the 'majority six', you seem to have a misplaced "we". You are awfully interested in being a part of the team.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:18 pm

Remus West wrote:Alright Isg. It has been an hour already since you closed the voting.

Well, when you get home to find out that the NIC port you've been using is bad, it tends to throw a wrench into things. Luckily, there's a second port that seems to be working just fine.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:26 pm

Having decided that stessier has exhibited a bit too much interest in the china patterns and was found to have little bits of spring stuck to his costume, it was decided that he was the culprit of the breakfast disaster.

Having finished cleaning up the dining area, stessier is sent off to the other wing of the house. Before retiring from another day of interrupted revelry, Grundbegriff runs off to chide stessier again, reading off another long list of suspicions and recriminations. stessier sits through the lecture silently before Grund wishes him a good night and both prepare for sleep and another day of partying.

stessier was a Robinson.

It is the beginning of the night phase:

Lewis: Who will you scan?
Wilbur: Who will you protect?

Bowler Hat Guy: Who will you kidnap?
DOR-15: Who will you scan?

*any other players identified are for story purposes only and do not represent any game information.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:31 pm

I must say, it doesn't feel so bad when I know stessier is just playing in his room in his little footy jamas before nighty night.

Sorry stessier, you really did nothing to help yourself there.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:32 pm

CR, Grund or Theohall - my top picks

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:33 pm

I'm kicking myself for moving off Grund.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:34 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Qantaga wrote:Fingers crossed that we've ended the evil right here and now.
for not being one of the 'majority six', you seem to have a misplaced "we". You are awfully interested in being a part of the team.

And here, I thought all the Robinsons together were a collective "we." I didn't realize you divided along voting lines in the family. I thought we were all trying to uncover evil working together. Thus, I will always support the majority family decision. I didn't vote for stessier because I thought theohall more evil than stessier.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:41 pm

Unagi wrote:I'm kicking myself for moving off Grund.

Don't. I'm not the perp.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:40 pm

I'm protecting myself tonight, Theohall, so don't get any ideas.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:42 pm

I can't do anything, so you might want to ask someone else about that protection thing, Scoop