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Rip wrote:

Zarathud wrote:Seriously, Rip.

Rip wrote:The clean energy failures don't have anything to do with energy production. Oil and gas failed because of costly extraction that isn't viable on market change.

Mortoned. The issue for SUNE isn't core profitability, it's that the costs of debt fueled expansion exceeds immediate cash flow. Extraction of solar and wind is competitive after construction. Bankruptcy will clear up the financial balance sheets. Much like when the railroads were built.

Oil and gas DID pursue expensive to extract reserves that are now uncompetitive with lower oil prices. As usual, Rip has the economics ass backwards.

Thus costly extraction that isn't viable in the current market. That isn't backwards, I was spot on.

On SUNE you sound like at the CLECs investors that kept saying "but we have a positive EBITA", having a positive cash flow when you throw out a crapload of your business costs does not a healthy investment make. Those CLECs failed as these solar companies are/will. In the case of the telcoms the investors and bondholders lost pretty much everything they invested. The big difference is the solar power firms are taking tax dollars down with them.

Blackadar wrote:Want to try again?

Blackadar wrote:

Rip wrote:

Zarathud wrote:Seriously, Rip.

Rip wrote:The clean energy failures don't have anything to do with energy production. Oil and gas failed because of costly extraction that isn't viable on market change.

Mortoned. The issue for SUNE isn't core profitability, it's that the costs of debt fueled expansion exceeds immediate cash flow. Extraction of solar and wind is competitive after construction. Bankruptcy will clear up the financial balance sheets. Much like when the railroads were built.

Oil and gas DID pursue expensive to extract reserves that are now uncompetitive with lower oil prices. As usual, Rip has the economics ass backwards.

Thus costly extraction that isn't viable in the current market. That isn't backwards, I was spot on.

On SUNE you sound like at the CLECs investors that kept saying "but we have a positive EBITA", having a positive cash flow when you throw out a crapload of your business costs does not a healthy investment make. Those CLECs failed as these solar companies are/will. In the case of the telcoms the investors and bondholders lost pretty much everything they invested. The big difference is the solar power firms are taking tax dollars down with them.

CLECs failed because Michael Powell became the FCC chairman, changed the rules of the Telecom Act of 1996 to favor incumbent telcos, made negative public comments about CLECs which dried up their financing almost overnight. It is a perfect example of a regulatory systematic destruction of an industry by someone in power who is beholden to entrenched competitors. It had nothing to do with actual free market competition. He's also the same scumbag who is the head of the NCTA lobbying group trying to get rid of net neutrality.

Want to try again?

It makes three months in a row that the monthly record has been broken by the largest margin ever, and seven months in a row that are at least 1C above the 1951-80 mean for that month. When the string of record-smashing months started in February, scientists began talking about a “climate emergency”.

Figures released by Nasa over the weekend show the global temperature of land and sea was 1.11C warmer in April than the average temperature for April during the period 1951-1980.

It all but assures that 2016 will be the hottest year on record, and probably by the largest margin ever.

Five soldiers were killed and four were missing after an Army troop carrier was washed from a low-water crossing and overturned Thursday in a rain-swollen creek at Fort Hood, the Texas Army post said.

America's warm, wild and costly weather broke another record with the hottest June, federal meteorologists say. And if that's not enough, they calculated that 2016 is flirting with the U.S. record for most billion-dollar weather disasters.

The month's average temperature in the Lower 48 states was 71.8 degrees, 3.3 degrees above normal, surpassing the Dust Bowl record set in 1933 by a couple tenths of a degree, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported Thursday. Every state in the nation was warmer than normal in June, with Utah and Arizona having their hottest Junes.

"2016 has been hot, wet and wild for the contiguous U.S.," NOAA climate scientist Jake Crouch said Thursday.

The nation had its third hottest first half of the year. June's record heat is from a combination of natural variability and long-term global warming, Crouch said. Records go back to 1895.

But there's been a wet and wild aspect of the year, too. So far, NOAA calculates that there have been eight billion-dollar weather disasters in the first half of this year, not counting the West Virginia flooding, which is still being calculated. They've been a combination of severe storms with tornadoes and heavy rains and downpours that cause damaging flooding. Seven of those have hit Texas.

NOAA calculates billion-dollar disasters , adjusting for inflation, to show trends in the most extreme and damaging weather. Since 1980, the U.S. has averaged five billion-dollar disasters a year, but in the last five years the country has averaged nearly 11 a year. There were eight in 2015. The record is 16 different billion-dollar disasters in 2011.

"The main lesson is that it shows us how vulnerable we are to climate change," Texas A&M climate scientist Andrew Dessler said in an email. "People frequently think that, 'Oh, we'll just adapt to climate change.' But we're learning that it's going to be a lot harder than people realize to do that. How do you adapt to the amount of rain that West Virginia got?"

There are at least 35 named glaciers in Glacier National Park (U.S.). In 1850, the area now comprising the national park had 150 glaciers. There are 25 active glaciers remaining in the park today. Since the ice ages stopped 10,000 years ago, there have been many slight climate shifts causing periods of glacier growth or melt-back. The glaciers are currently being studied to see the effect of global warming[1] It is estimated that if current warming trends continue, there will be no glaciers left in the park by 2030.[2]

LordMortis wrote:
Is it common through out the US to name a cluster development after the wildlife it kills?

Blue Heron Meadows
Fox Hills
Pinewood

It always makes me sad to see subdivisions named after wilderness habitats that are no longer sustained.

Researchers at the University of Illinois at Chicago have engineered a potentially game-changing solar cell that cheaply and efficiently converts atmospheric carbon dioxide directly into usable hydrocarbon fuel, using only sunlight for energy.

The finding is reported in the July 29 issue of Science and was funded by the National Science Foundation and the U.S. Department of Energy. A provisional patent application has been filed.

Pyperkub wrote:On the good news side - SCIENCE!

Researchers at the University of Illinois at Chicago have engineered a potentially game-changing solar cell that cheaply and efficiently converts atmospheric carbon dioxide directly into usable hydrocarbon fuel, using only sunlight for energy.

The finding is reported in the July 29 issue of Science and was funded by the National Science Foundation and the U.S. Department of Energy. A provisional patent application has been filed.

Rip wrote:Missing the Ice Age are we?

Isgrimnur wrote:

Rip wrote:Missing the Ice Age are we?

People that read the title text aren't.

Isgrimnur wrote:Except it doesn't. The distance between 1900-2000 and 2000-2100 is 59 px in both cases. And, it appears, the previous 500 years, well before the rapid upswing.

Rip wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:Except it doesn't. The distance between 1900-2000 and 2000-2100 is 59 px in both cases. And, it appears, the previous 500 years, well before the rapid upswing.

Wake me in 2100 if it is up to +2.

GreenGoo wrote:Assuming you're not underwater there in Louisiana, will do.

And by wake, I assume you mean unfreeze and reanimate your cryo-frozen corpse.

Rip wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:Assuming you're not underwater there in Louisiana, will do.

And by wake, I assume you mean unfreeze and reanimate your cryo-frozen corpse.

Meh, 6 metres is nothing.

No I fully intend to still be alive, no cryo needed. It's only another 84 years. If Hillary can make it another 4 years surely I can make it another 84.

Scraper wrote:

Rip wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:Assuming you're not underwater there in Louisiana, will do.

And by wake, I assume you mean unfreeze and reanimate your cryo-frozen corpse.

Meh, 6 metres is nothing.

No I fully intend to still be alive, no cryo needed. It's only another 84 years. If Hillary can make it another 4 years surely I can make it another 84.

6 meters puts a large portion of the South under water (Including Louisiana). Hey wait a minute maybe global warming isn't such a bad thing after all!

Rip wrote:
6 meters doesn't put ANY state underwater.

Holman wrote:

Rip wrote:
6 meters doesn't put ANY state underwater.

Right. It merely devastates them beyond recovery.

Rip wrote:

Holman wrote:

Rip wrote:
6 meters doesn't put ANY state underwater.

Right. It merely devastates them beyond recovery.

Puts me on the ocean front. No matter southern Louisiana has been disappearing for a long time no matter what sea level does.

Scraper wrote:

Rip wrote:

Holman wrote:

Rip wrote:
6 meters doesn't put ANY state underwater.

Right. It merely devastates them beyond recovery.

Puts me on the ocean front. No matter southern Louisiana has been disappearing for a long time no matter what sea level does.

So you have gone from denying global warming, to accepting it and saying it doesn't matter because it doesn't affect you personally. That's very Republican of you.

Scraper wrote: So you have gone from denying global warming, to accepting it and saying it doesn't matter because it doesn't affect you personally. That's very Republican of you.

Rip wrote:I didn't say it doesn't matter.

A lot of things matter.

It is all a matter of what priorities a person places on them.

malchior wrote:

Rip wrote:I didn't say it doesn't matter.

A lot of things matter.

It is all a matter of what priorities a person places on them.

So you can understand when it is an issue that has an effect on every human and the entire ecosystem of the only planet we can live on...some people might think it is way up the list of priorities towards the top of the list?

Rip wrote:Surprisingly I can understand many things I disagree with.