Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 am

Blackhawk wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:33 am The candidate, the candidate's campaign manager, and the RNC chairwoman are all in isolation a month before the election.

Rolled for Divine Intervention, got a 20!

Called in a bomb threat before a final exam.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:38 am

There are more cases of Covid in the White House than in New Zealand.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:39 am

Christie may know today. It never ceases to amaze how Trump gets anyone to work for him. We know how he jettisons people whenever it harms him. Still, Christie has been chasing Trump looking for table scraps for years and spent the week prepping him for the debate...and they don't give him the heads up. Hey Christie...enough's enough. He isn't into you.

https://twitter.com/alweaver22/status/1 ... 7186814977

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:41 am

Grifman wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:38 am There are more cases of Covid in the White House than in New Zealand.

Theres more stupid in the WH than NZ.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:57 am

Update at 11am today by the president’s doctor at Walter Reed. Will be interesting to see if he takes questions.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:11 am

It's interesting that the media has started asking what will happen if Trump can no longer able to perform the duties of the office.

And here I am thinking.... now? What about the last four years?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:27 am

Backlash as Twitter says posts wishing harm on Trump violate social network’s rules

Those who publicly express on Twitter the hope that anyone may die or come to serious harm could be suspended from the site, the social network announced, shortly after news broke that US President Donald Trump has Covid-19.

It also comes after Mr Trump himself retweeted a video in late May of a right-wing activist claiming that “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat”, and which is still up.

“So... you mean to tell us you could‘ve done this the whole time?” Tweeted New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who last year said she often starts her day by reading the death threats sent to her.

Facebook and Tiktok follow suit.

Shitty social platforms.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:34 am

Why only comments made ‘publicly’

Shouldn’t a direct message be just as bad ?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:57 am

Unagi wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:34 am Why only comments made ‘publicly’

Shouldn’t a direct message be just as bad ?

As if the social media networks have principles, this is about the public image of the social network. Full stop.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:31 am

Wisconsin Supreme Court says Governor doesn't have emergency powers to manage COVID-19. What a shit show. Good luck Wisconsin. I'm sure as shit glad I don't live there. It is sort of ironic that one of their Senators was announced positive only hours later.

Whitmer issued a statement condemning the ruling.
"Today's Supreme Court ruling, handed down by a narrow majority of Republican justices, is deeply disappointing, and I vehemently disagree with the court's interpretation of the Michigan Constitution," she said. "Right now, every state and the federal government have some form of declared emergency. With this decision, Michigan will become the sole outlier at a time when the Upper Peninsula is experiencing rates of Covid infection not seen in our state since April."

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:54 am

How many is this now?

https://twitter.com/GovChristie/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw

I just received word that I am positive for COVID-19. I want to thank all of my friends and colleagues who have reached out to ask how I was feeling in the last day or two. I will be receiving medical attention today and will keep the necessary folks apprised of my condition.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:03 pm

These GOP shits should be barred from treatment. They ignored ALL science and warnings and now they waste tax payer funds and medications to treat their dumbass selves....usually much better than citizens can get treated. Fuck them. Hope they all bite it.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:38 pm

malchior wrote:Wisconsin Supreme Court says Governor doesn't have emergency powers to manage COVID-19. What a shit show. Good luck Wisconsin. I'm sure as shit glad I don't live there. It is sort of ironic that one of their Senators was announced positive only hours later.

Whitmer issued a statement condemning the ruling.
"Today's Supreme Court ruling, handed down by a narrow majority of Republican justices, is deeply disappointing, and I vehemently disagree with the court's interpretation of the Michigan Constitution," she said. "Right now, every state and the federal government have some form of declared emergency. With this decision, Michigan will become the sole outlier at a time when the Upper Peninsula is experiencing rates of Covid infection not seen in our state since April."

How did they ever get such a ridiculous court? Oh....

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stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:08 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:31 am Wisconsin Supreme Court says Governor doesn't have emergency powers to manage COVID-19. What a shit show. Good luck Wisconsin. I'm sure as shit glad I don't live there. It is sort of ironic that one of their Senators was announced positive only hours later.

Whitmer issued a statement condemning the ruling.
"Today's Supreme Court ruling, handed down by a narrow majority of Republican justices, is deeply disappointing, and I vehemently disagree with the court's interpretation of the Michigan Constitution," she said. "Right now, every state and the federal government have some form of declared emergency. With this decision, Michigan will become the sole outlier at a time when the Upper Peninsula is experiencing rates of Covid infection not seen in our state since April."

I think the problem is the WI Court is making rulings based on the Michigan constitution.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:24 pm

Smoove_B wrote:How many is this now?

https://twitter.com/GovChristie/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw
I just received word that I am positive for COVID-19. I want to thank all of my friends and colleagues who have reached out to ask how I was feeling in the last day or two. I will be receiving medical attention today and will keep the necessary folks apprised of my condition.

I like to call it the "Pantene" effect where "I infected two friends, and they infected two friends, and so on, and so on, and so on..."

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:32 pm

I was driving around yesterday more than my usual ~2 mile daily commute. Saw an unusually high number of out of state plates, particularly Florida, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Indiana too but that's not unusual. Not sure if it's just fewer locals on the road making the out of state plates stand out more than usual.

But I wonder if fleeing a state about to implode to stay with friends/family is a thing. I know early on lots of people from the neighborhood were going to their places in Wisconsin. Until Wisconsin got stupid and they came home.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:40 pm

The press conference on the President's condition was very evasive, and likely untruthful:

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/ ... 10592?s=20

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:40 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:31 am Wisconsin Supreme Court says Governor doesn't have emergency powers to manage COVID-19. What a shit show. Good luck Wisconsin. I'm sure as shit glad I don't live there. It is sort of ironic that one of their Senators was announced positive only hours later.

Whitmer issued a statement condemning the ruling.
"Today's Supreme Court ruling, handed down by a narrow majority of Republican justices, is deeply disappointing, and I vehemently disagree with the court's interpretation of the Michigan Constitution," she said. "Right now, every state and the federal government have some form of declared emergency. With this decision, Michigan will become the sole outlier at a time when the Upper Peninsula is experiencing rates of Covid infection not seen in our state since April."

This is MI, not WI.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:46 pm

stessier wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:08 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:31 am Wisconsin Supreme Court says Governor doesn't have emergency powers to manage COVID-19. What a shit show. Good luck Wisconsin. I'm sure as shit glad I don't live there. It is sort of ironic that one of their Senators was announced positive only hours later.

Whitmer issued a statement condemning the ruling.
"Today's Supreme Court ruling, handed down by a narrow majority of Republican justices, is deeply disappointing, and I vehemently disagree with the court's interpretation of the Michigan Constitution," she said. "Right now, every state and the federal government have some form of declared emergency. With this decision, Michigan will become the sole outlier at a time when the Upper Peninsula is experiencing rates of Covid infection not seen in our state since April."

I think the problem is the WI Court is making rulings based on the Michigan constitution.

I had to click through to figure that out.

Sucks to be a Michigander. AFAIK, all of my friends and family there are playing it safe, but that's going to get harder and harder to do as the virus starts galloping again.

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:53 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:33 am The candidate, the candidate's campaign manager, and the RNC chairwoman are all in isolation a month before the election.

Rolled for Divine Intervention, got a 20!

(That's a percentile die roll under your level, but I get where you were going with this.

)

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:02 pm

Unagi wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:40 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:31 am Wisconsin Supreme Court says Governor doesn't have emergency powers to manage COVID-19. What a shit show. Good luck Wisconsin. I'm sure as shit glad I don't live there. It is sort of ironic that one of their Senators was announced positive only hours later.

Whitmer issued a statement condemning the ruling.
"Today's Supreme Court ruling, handed down by a narrow majority of Republican justices, is deeply disappointing, and I vehemently disagree with the court's interpretation of the Michigan Constitution," she said. "Right now, every state and the federal government have some form of declared emergency. With this decision, Michigan will become the sole outlier at a time when the Upper Peninsula is experiencing rates of Covid infection not seen in our state since April."

This is MI, not WI.

Right. Mental blip there. I was talking to my direct report in Wisconsin yesterday about how wacky it was going for him there and wires badly crossed.

Edit: Worse I have been reading the order because I wanted to see what the great Conservative legal minds there did here and saw Michigan over and over. That said, some interesting things. The right is crowing that she was a tyrant who clearly abused the law.

If you read the opinion, it is far from that framing. Essentially they agree she was acting under the law as constructed. They however said the law itself was constructed erroneously back in 1945. So the right as usual has no factual basis when they say she was acting out of bounds. She is using powers similar to almost every other state. Now Michigan only has a short-term emergency power on the books that is legal and requires the legislature to authorize emergencies. That sounds workable.

Anyway, she was doing what she thought was right with the tools she thought she had until right-wing judges re-defined them away from under her. The quote below is towards the conclusion. The meat of it is that they essentially said the legislature illegally gave away too much of their own power because they didn't set strong enough statutory standards. The Chief Justice's dissent essentially excoriates them for creating a new legal principle to push this turd through and points out where it knocks heads with Supreme Court decisions. It is hard not to think it was political.

The consequence of such illusory “non-standard” standards in this case is that the
Governor possesses free rein to exercise a substantial part of our state and local legislative
authority-- including police powers-- for an indefinite period of time. There is, in other
words, nothing within either the “necessary” or “reasonable” standards that serves in any
realistic way to transform an otherwise impermissible delegation of legislative power into
a permissible delegation of executive power. This is particularly true in the specific context
of the EPGA, a statute that delegates power of immense breadth and is devoid of all
temporal limitations. These facets of the EPGA-- its expansiveness, its indefinite duration,
and its inadequate standards-- are simply insufficient to sustain this delegation. While, in
the context of a less-encompassing delegation, the standard might be sufficient to sustain
the delegation, that is not the case the Court entertains today.
We accordingly conclude that the delegation of power to the Governor to
“promulgate reasonable orders, rules, and regulations as he or she considers necessary to
protect life and property,” MCL 10.31(1), constitutes an unlawful delegation of legislative
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power to the executive and is therefore unconstitutional under Const 1963, art 3, § 2, which
prohibits exercise of the legislative power by the executive branch. The powers conferred
by the EPGA simply cannot be rendered constitutional by the standards “reasonable” and
“necessary,” either separately or in tandem.21

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:38 pm

https://twitter.com/khivebidenbro/statu ... 45472?s=21

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:57 pm

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:50 pm

Grifman wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:38 pm https://twitter.com/khivebidenbro/statu ... 45472?s=21

I posted that in response to one of Lt. Dan's tweets today. Recall, Lieutenant Governor of Texas Dan Patrick posted back in March that he and other senior citizens were willing to die to get the economy moving again.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:53 pm

Excellent analysis of what Trump’s doctors are and are not telling us:

https://twitter.com/celinegounder/statu ... 11298?s=21

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:00 pm

You know, Trump is already going to go down as one of our worst presidents in history, but if he dies from this, he’s going to go down as our stupidest president because he violated the very guidelines put out by his own CDC and it killed him. You can draw straight line from the very first press briefing right after his first inauguration to this. His lies and stupidity finally caught up with him - the virus didn’t care.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:46 pm

Grifman wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:00 pmYou know, Trump is already going to go down as one of our worst presidents in history, but if he dies from this, he’s going to go down as our stupidest president because he violated the very guidelines put out by his own CDC and it killed him. You can draw straight line from the very first press briefing right after his first inauguration to this. His lies and stupidity finally caught up with him - the virus didn’t care.

I almost had to hang the phone up on my dad because he roped me into a political discussion, and between telling me that historians are going to look back on Trump as one of our greatest presidents, and that all the problems voting in GA in African American communities is really the fault of the African American communities because their leaders are apparently trying to maintain power by not letting any of them vote? It was just too much.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:56 pm

He will surely be remembered as a transformative president. We aren't going to go back to global leadership anytime soon, for example, and it will take a generation to restore trust in experts, the press, our electoral process...if ever. He is "great" in the sense of changing the course of American history (for the worse).

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:04 pm

Kraken wrote:He will surely be remembered as a transformative president. We aren't going to go back to global leadership anytime soon, for example, and it will take a generation to restore trust in experts, the press, our electoral process...if ever. He is "great" in the sense of changing the course of American history (for the worse).

I firmly believe we will look back on Trump as a historical arsonist. If we don’t it will be due to Biden and Congress somehow undoing all of the damage and making these last four years feel like a bad dream.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:13 pm

Kraken wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:56 pm He will surely be remembered as a transformative president. We aren't going to go back to global leadership anytime soon, for example, and it will take a generation to restore trust in experts, the press, our electoral process...if ever. He is "great" in the sense of changing the course of American history (for the worse).

Nope, not transformative, disruptive is a better word. The long term arc of history is not in Trump’s favor.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:13 pm

https://twitter.com/jewdygold/status/13 ... 40577?s=21

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:35 pm

If Trump croaks from COVID it just proves he is weak against Chee'ina. *snicker*

Does make me wonder who Melania will run to for a spending account and plastic surgery. At least she wont be plagiarizing other people's work as her own. Be best!

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:39 pm

Grifman wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:13 pm
Kraken wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:56 pm He will surely be remembered as a transformative president. We aren't going to go back to global leadership anytime soon, for example, and it will take a generation to restore trust in experts, the press, our electoral process...if ever. He is "great" in the sense of changing the course of American history (for the worse).
Nope, not transformative, disruptive is a better word. The long term arc of history is not in Trump’s favor.

This is one of my favorite subjects about Trump. I think disruptive is exactly right. Across so many domains they disrupted well-organized processes and laid them low. If this form of government survives, pretty much no matter what happens, records exists, his words are on video, and the outcomes are clear already.

Heck, his COVID-19 response alone would rank him in the worst ever easily. No real national strategy despite an existing capability and demonstrated performance in past epidemics. He downplayed it intentionally - on the record -- and pushed response down to the states. His lieutenants then systematically undermined the State response where he politically felt he needed to so they looked bad. Consider the Michigan emergency order lawsuit. That was coordinated with AUSAs in Michigan and they just released a propaganda release praising the decision the day the President was admitted to the hospital. In the long term the data will almost certainly eventually be quantified in statistically significant findings of lives lost due to Trump's policy. It'll take time but the picture will emerge that he intentionally took actions that killed Americans and he would have had to know it. The books about the pandemic itself will rightly cast him as the central villain and maybe an ironic victim of his own stupidity and selfishness.

However going past the pandemic across so many domains the picture will be of a chaotic President whose only real 'victory' was to increase corruption, wealth and income inequality, and enable the takeover of the judiciary which are all dubious distinctions. Especially the latter since future historians might hang this whole 'Trump COVID-19 *cluster* -- hat tip to Smoove_B -- on the celebration of their hypocrisy after RBG's death. America might be in irreversible decline but at least it won't be a boring story.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:40 pm

RunningMn9 wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:46 pm I almost had to hang the phone up on my dad because he roped me into a political discussion, and between telling me that historians are going to look back on Trump as one of our greatest presidents, and that all the problems voting in GA in African American communities is really the fault of the African American communities because their leaders are apparently trying to maintain power by not letting any of them vote? It was just too much.

I feel for you. It was that long ago I nearly exploded at my old man. I had never raised my voice to him in my life until just a few months ago.

My dad is slowly coming around and in doing so he is looking at those around him who aren't. He's beginning to understand how it feels to people he cares about seemingly be beyond reach. He's talking to me about the aunts and uncles who don't believe in "...." Oddly enough, I think it started with Trump going on about the old guy spying on NY police and then falling in to them before faking severe head trauma at the hospital. That one thing seems to have opened the door to reject other things.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:43 pm

No real national strategy despite an existing capability and demonstrated performance in past epidemics. He downplayed it intentionally - on the record -- and pushed response down to the states.

That was all Obama era advancements for the most part. Good Lord he isn't going to let Obama win. F Obama he'll die and take 200,000 and counting of us with him before he lets Obama have anything.

If 100 people show up at his funeral why it'll be the biggest funeral crowd ever! All paid in advance of course.

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:46 pm

Daehawk wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:27 am
Shitty social platforms. (banning ill wishes toward Trump)

I thought this article was odd, then I actually read it.

If you're happy President Trum PTest Positive for COVID-19, You're Just as Bad as He Is

Spoiler:

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:50 pm

Huh. Isn't it nice they had the capacity for him to check in?

https://twitter.com/GovChristie/status/ ... 8478889985

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:55 pm

Yeah, seriously. Who was it again that said back in May, "there are going to be deaths, no matter what."

Must be nice to have access to Cadillac care after being around people that couldn't have cared less about your safety and well-being.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:01 pm

In other examples of bad poker players with obvious tells - "documents to review". Yeah this is bullshit.

https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/13 ... 3936605185

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:07 pm

Cue Iraqi Information Minister.