hepcat wrote:This is the very definition of a win/meh scenario for me. I really hate tik tok and won't be sad to see it go away. But if it stays, I can just continue to ignore the narcissistic generation it's creating.
There aren’t enough tik toks in the world to allow Gen Z to top the Boomers in this department. Also, Tik tok doesn’t make narcissists. You’re just crabby old man.
There are more than enough tik tok dance videos to prove me right. We live in a world filled with more people famous for being famous than any previous generation. These are scientifically proven facts.
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Because your head is so far up your ass that you have shit in your eyeballs. Try cleaning them off, then read what people actually say before you try to prove them wrong with some tangent.
Blackhawk wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 9:53 pm
Because your head is so far up your ass that you have shit in your eyeballs. Try cleaning them off, then read what people actually say before you try to prove them wrong with some tangent.
hepcat wrote:There are more than enough tik tok dance videos to prove me right. We live in a world filled with more people famous for being famous than any previous generation. These are scientifically proven facts.
I was mostly taking a swipe at Boomers, but felt like a public service announcement not minimizing what narcissism actually is might help (it’s not people being famous for being famous, or watching videos).
But perhaps this isn’t the place to explore that trigger.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
hepcat wrote:There are more than enough tik tok dance videos to prove me right. We live in a world filled with more people famous for being famous than any previous generation. These are scientifically proven facts.
I was mostly taking a swipe at Boomers, but felt like a public service announcement not minimizing what narcissism actually is might help (it’s not people being famous for being famous, or watching videos).
But perhaps this isn’t the place to explore that trigger.
A need for admiration is one of the defining traits of narcissism.
hepcat wrote:There are more than enough tik tok dance videos to prove me right. We live in a world filled with more people famous for being famous than any previous generation. These are scientifically proven facts.
I was mostly taking a swipe at Boomers, but felt like a public service announcement not minimizing what narcissism actually is might help (it’s not people being famous for being famous, or watching videos).
But perhaps this isn’t the place to explore that trigger.
A need for admiration is one of the defining traits of narcissism.
And is the name for people who don't like to be admired?
Blackhawk wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 9:53 pm
Because your head is so far up your ass that you have shit in your eyeballs. Try cleaning them off, then read what people actually say before you try to prove them wrong with some tangent.
So fallback to insult me? Really? How mature.
You like to completely ignore whatever people offer that disagrees with you, and make snarky little insinuations that those people aren't smart enough to understand/support genocide/whatever. There is no rational discourse with you. There is your opinion, and there is you explaining why your opinion is the only right answer. That's it. My actively aggressive response pales next to the passive-aggressive crap you've been shoveling for months.
I honestly don't know what you're going for here. You clearly have very little regard for the opinions of the people here, so why do you put so much effort into soliciting them?
In any case, that was wave-off. There's no point in reasoning with a brick wall.
Blackhawk wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 9:53 pm
Because your head is so far up your ass that you have shit in your eyeballs. Try cleaning them off, then read what people actually say before you try to prove them wrong with some tangent.
So fallback to insult me? Really? How mature.
You like to completely ignore whatever people offer that disagrees with you, and make snarky little insinuations that those people aren't smart enough to understand/support genocide/whatever. There is no rational discourse with you. There is your opinion, and there is you explaining why your opinion is the only right answer. That's it. My actively aggressive response pales next to the passive-aggressive crap you've been shoveling for months.
I honestly don't know what you're going for here. You clearly have very little regard for the opinions of the people here, so why do you put so much effort into soliciting them?
In any case, that was wave-off. There's no point in reasoning with a brick wall.
If I don't have any regard of other's opinion, I am not going to try to argue or debate. I'm always try to explain why I disagree on something and to try to defend my opinions because I care about other's opinions. I can accept that I can be wrong, just need to convince me with a fact or a better argument.
But if you think there is no point in reasoning with me. Then feel free to ignore me. Why bother responding to me?
That's a feature of narcissism, not the definition. The positive opposite of narcissism is altruism (the desire to help others for their sake.) The negative opposite is echoism (the constant need to help others at the expense of one's own needs.)
Blackhawk wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 10:40 pm
That's a feature of narcissism, not the definition.
Never said it was THE definition . It is one of the defining traits, as I wrote.
And just to be clear: my calling an entire generation narcissistic was more tongue in cheek than anything. I may dislike Tik Tok for numerous reasons, but I also think social media platforms like Facebook aren’t that bad in many ways. They allow us a connection to others that might not exist in many situations. Long distance family and friends for instance.
Blackhawk wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 10:40 pm
That's a feature of narcissism, not the definition.
Never said it was THE definition . It is one of the defining traits, as I wrote.
I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to...
What is the opposite of narcissism? What is "hate or dislike of admiration" a trait of? Shy? Introvert?
...specifically pointing out that the two halves of the question aren't the same. The opposite of narcissism and the opposite of dislike admiration are different things (disliking compliments is most often an indicator of low self esteem - it feels undeserved, as you're not good enough, so it makes you uncomfortable.)
hepcat wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 9:59 pm
When did this go from being about tik tok being a potential security risk to an overall discussion about social media platf….
….oh….internet. Sorry, forgot for a second.
Carry on.
You're right: Content is beside the point. TikTok can keep right on ticking under new ownership. The issue is whether it's a Chinese spyware/propaganda tool. Both Congress and the administration agree that it is. I'm willing to believe that they probably know more about it than I do.
My nephew regularly posts TikTok videos in our family Facebook channel. I never click on them, because Chinese spyware. Plus his taste in videos doesn't overlap much with mine.
If you want completely focused discussion, you need to have an actively moderated platform. Otherwise the topic is always going to touch on secondary issues (in this case, the suggestion that TikTok was on the same level as YouTube/Instagram.)
No issue is so narrow that there aren't peripheral elements to be considered.
About tiktok vs youtube from content creators (influencers?) viewpoint is that you don't need to have huge subscription for tiktok to recommend/promote your videos. So a smaller content creators have easier playing field in tiktok vs youtube.
Most content creators that make videos for tiktok also have youtube channels, it is just that it is harder to get notice and views. Some content creators use tiktok to attract people to their youtube channels. Same with those that stream on twitch. Tiktok is how they get people to watch them when they started.
I guess that is also why young people like tiktok, it is easier for them to get notice and fulfill their need of admiration.
Victoria Raverna wrote:The evil youtube algorithm promoted that video to my youtube main page and I watched it and thought it might be interesting to share here. Is that not a good thing to do? To post something that is related to the topic?
The lack of awareness that this quote could be used in this thread is pretty entertaining IMO.
VR now reminds me of the mindless zombies in Dawn of the Dead, but posting on social media rather than eating brains in person. No algorithm necessary.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on." -Terry Pratchett, The Truth "The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to those who think they've found it." -Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment
Victoria Raverna wrote:The evil youtube algorithm promoted that video to my youtube main page and I watched it and thought it might be interesting to share here. Is that not a good thing to do? To post something that is related to the topic?
The lack of awareness that this quote could be used in this thread is pretty entertaining IMO.
VR now reminds me of the mindless zombies in Dawn of the Dead, but posting on social media rather than eating brains in person. No algorithm necessary.
LOL. Seriously?
For someone that claimed to be a lawyer, you're a disappointment. What kind of lawyer are you? Ambulance chaser?
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Blackhawk wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 12:04 am
If you want completely focused discussion, you need to have an actively moderated platform. Otherwise the topic is always going to touch on secondary issues (in this case, the suggestion that TikTok was on the same level as YouTube/Instagram.)
No issue is so narrow that there aren't peripheral elements to be considered.
The irony is that I'M the one that initially made it about tik tok being annoying for other reasons.
Also, I want Blackhawk, Zarathud and VR to hug it out. Things are getting way too rough. I'll have my mentat Issie contact you with the details of an upcoming OO summit, along with the square root of pi.
hepcat wrote:And just to be clear: my calling an entire generation narcissistic was more tongue in cheek than anything.
My response was meant to be that too (but refocusing it on Boomers).
It’s a hot button topic for me, having suffered at the hands of a narcissist for decades. I didn’t mean to unleash that here.
Narcissism is rooted in *intense* self-loathing. I just meant that being in tik tok videos is mostly about wanting attention, it’s not a reflection of that self-hatred that drives narcissists. That’s all.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
hepcat wrote:Well, I'm glad you came out okay. And I'm sure your faith in L Ron Hubbard helped you through much of that.
I would say I came out. I wouldn’t say I’m okay.
I’m still filled to the brim with thetans, and unfortunately my recent transition to federal service makes it more difficult to afford to clear them.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
After more than two hours of oral argument between TikTok and a group of content creators on one side, and the US government on the other, it remains uncertain how the judges may rule. Today wasn’t the slam dunk that TikTok needed as all three judges asked some very skeptical questions about the ByteDance relationship, but they didn’t let the government off easy, either.
Struggling to find historical and metaphorical precedent, the judges at a federal appeals court in Washington grappled with how TikTok’s foreign ownership affects its constitutional rights under US law.
They leaned on analogies about terrorist propaganda and hypotheticals about a possible shooting war involving the United States and China. They looked to a past case about communist propaganda delivered through the US Postal Service. And some of the Supreme Court’s most recent landmark decisions about online speech, issued just this year, made an appearance, too.
If the law in question targeted only US-based companies, “there’s no doubt that would be a huge First Amendment concern,” said Sri Srinivasan, chief judge of the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, citing a pair of cases decided by the Supreme Court this summer.
But, he added, that isn’t the situation here. Instead, Congress passed a law that targets a US company’s foreign owners and their influence over the algorithm that 170 million Americans use to watch videos about sports, fashion and politics.
A federal appeals court on Friday upheld a law banning TikTok nationwide unless the viral video app was sold off by its China-based parent company, rejecting TikTok's claim that the crackdown violates the free speech rights of millions of Americans.
In its ruling, the court said that it was "precisely" because of TikTok's "expansive reach" that both Congress and the president determined that divesting it from China's control "is essential to protect our national security."
In its opinion, the court wrote that TikTok's ownership by a China-based company, ByeDance, represents a national security threat that surpasses the free speech concerns TikTok raised.
"The First Amendment exists to protect free speech in the United States. Here the Government acted solely to protect that freedom from a foreign adversary nation and to limit that adversary's ability to gather data on people in the United States," the court wrote.
Max Peck wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:29 pm
What's his play? Cancel the ban, or delay it just long enough that he can take credit for it?
I thought he was just in "payback" mode, having met with the CEO of TikTok earlier in the month and a billionaire donor (and TikTok investor) back in March.
Unagi wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:07 am
I secretly wish TicTok was banned, only so I can tell my kid to take it off their phone (*yes, I have no parental control beyond the law).
It'll not solve your problem. If it is banned, your kid is just going to move to something else like youtube short.
The nine justices on the conservative-majority court heard oral arguments from lawyers for TikTok, some of its users and the Biden administration, with at least a preliminary decision likely in days, if not hours.
Although the justices did not appear convinced by TikTok's free speech arguments, there remains some uncertainty over how the court will handle the case, especially with President-elect Donald Trump taking office a day after the Jan. 19 deadline for the law to take effect. The court has the authority to temporarily block the law even if it ultimately rules against TikTok.
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Justice Brett Kavanaugh said the government's arguments about data collection were "very strong," but that the concerns about the Chinese government exerting control over content "raise much more challenging questions."
Chief Justice John Roberts also seemed reluctant to second-guess Congress, citing its findings that ByteDance is subject to Chinese laws that require it to assist with intelligence gathering.
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Among other questions posed by justices were whether TikTok's free speech rights are even at issue given that the law targets its foreign owner, which may not be able to claim First Amendment protections.
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