[WW-Monty Python]Remus' first game - END ENGLISH WIN

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:29 am

Chaosraven wrote:
Yes it was a Silly Trick to lure out the ones who feel the need to point out how many bad guys there are... often they are the bad guys themselves.

guess I should have let someone else point out your tricky error but since I was about the only one on line at the time I guess I fell victim.

After I verified it was 3 I then thought it could be a ploy on your part to look English.

But enough on that for now. I'll check this in the morning and see what is happening and then cast my vote.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:46 am

Yeah thats everyone Chaos, but pr0ner has been minimalistic in this game so far.. Im watching him!

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:32 am

1. Mr Bubbles - Chaosraven
2. UsulofDoom
3. pr0ner
4. ChrisGrenard
5. Cesare - Dead
6. Kelric - Mr Bubbles
7. brettmcd - Grundbegriff
8. ArmyOfOne
9. Lassr
10. ezmate
11. Orinoco
12. PR_GMR - Mr Bubbles
13. Chaosraven - Lassr
14. Grundbegriff
15. Kraegor
16. Ralph-Wiggum - Chaosraven

If I have not missed any the votes stand at:
Mr Bubbles - 2
Chaosraven - 2
Lassr - 1
Grundbegriff - 1

Currently 15 players majority is 8.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:42 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:Yeah thats everyone Chaos, but pr0ner has been minimalistic in this game so far.. Im watching him!

We know how that worked out for him in the last game.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:04 am

Remus, Question: Since all the games I played before had only 2 bad guys and this one has 3, do the bad guys all have to agree on the one they kill or is it a majority, 2 of the 3 have to agree?

Just curious. Because if one hasn't been active at OO at all he could still be a Frechy since it would only take the other 2 to be active.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:00 pm

For now changing my vote to Armyofone

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:11 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:For now changing my vote to Armyofone

You can change your vote all you want, frenchie. I know who you are!

(PR goes off to eat some arroz con habichuelas.)

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:01 pm

Lassr wrote:Remus, Question: Since all the games I played before had only 2 bad guys and this one has 3, do the bad guys all have to agree on the one they kill or is it a majority, 2 of the 3 have to agree?

Just curious. Because if one hasn't been active at OO at all he could still be a Frechy since it would only take the other 2 to be active.

Majority rules. 2 French choosing the same player kills him, they do not need a consensus.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:10 pm

How about a spot of Spurious Logic based on who died and who didn't die on the first night for some Random Accusations?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:15 pm

Kelric wrote:The killing of Cesare seems to me to be an attempt to 1) remove a good player and 2) frame me. This move seems like it comes from someone who has played several games that have held Cesare and I. Such as the last game.

Mr. Bubbles and Grund are my prime suspects.

Starting with the Game Opener.

14 minutes after Cesare is found, Kelric leads the way.
I refer you to 2) frame me.

It strikes me odd that the Instantaneous Response of the Guy who May be Blamed based on Prior Games is the STANDARD cry of IT CAN'T BE ME, I'M BEING FRAMED.

So an immediate defense looks extra suspicious.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:23 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Kelric wrote:The killing of Cesare seems to me to be an attempt to 1) remove a good player and 2) frame me. This move seems like it comes from someone who has played several games that have held Cesare and I. Such as the last game.

2) frame me.

It strikes me odd that the Instantaneous Response of the Guy who May be Blamed based on Prior Games is the STANDARD cry of IT CAN'T BE ME, I'M BEING FRAMED.

So an immediate defense looks extra suspicious.

Yea, that struck me as odd also. I'm leaning toward Army of One since he hasn't been around, but Kelric also smells of BO & perfume.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:24 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Kelric wrote:stuff
response to stuff

Although the 3 minute window it took to read and respond to Kelric is also rather small...

A pair of partners (out of a Trio, yes) trying to establish a public rivalry?
So if the Fit hits the Shan and one of them is Exposed upon Death to be Bearing the Croissant then the other has a post to point back to wherein they said J'Accuse?

By that standard it may just be Kelric, Mr Bubbles, and Grundbegriff based on the first post.

Two bickering brothers and a public silly who posts everything in french?

By the standard that it's so ridiculous nobody would expect it, these three are smart enough to use just such an obvious yet sneaky ploy.

But I think keeping an eye on the Kelric/Mr Bubbles dynamic is important.

Mr Bubbles seems to be a more active player when a bad guy.
Kelric is too active this early for his usual bad guy behavior... you would expect to see him louder later.

Grund has no actual stats to post just yet, as his vulcan mind is ruled by logic. So his posts aren't suspicious to me YET

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:26 pm

yeah he's supposedly innocent and asks me to prove Im not French. Coming off pretty strong there. I think he might be playing the hiding in plain sight stratagy. Im sticking with my pick at the moment, because I honestly believe the silents work against you more then the enemy. I will be here the entire game to give my feedback, but unless we have everyone participating then we are working uphill.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:30 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
By that standard it may just be Kelric, Mr Bubbles, and Grundbegriff based on the first post.

Two bickering brothers and a public silly who posts everything in french?

By the standard that it's so ridiculous nobody would expect it, these three are smart enough to use just such an obvious yet sneaky ploy.

But I think keeping an eye on the Kelric/Mr Bubbles dynamic is important.

Or you could be presenting alternative theories to muddy the waters. You kill me.. You find out Im innocent. Plain and simple. Kill me if you must, but you'll be sorely disappointed in your outcome. The idea is nice, but off base. It would be way too easy for the innocent if this was true. I highly doubt the French would do something so bold at this early stage in the game.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:30 pm

ezmate wrote:I say we pick off the least involved (even if it turns out to be me).

If we have 2 vocal and One Silent French, my Euros are on EZMATE as the silent partner, for the record.

Thsi would allow his partners to Agree in Public with eliminating silent Players but as it is something HE is in favor of (including HIMSELF, you will note) it puts him staunchly in the Good Guy Column. Tactic: Sneaky Groundwork Laid Here

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:36 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:standard random tripe
Or you could be presenting alternative theories to muddy the waters.

I ALWAYS present alternative theories... where have you been?

For that matter... PR_GMR seems to be following you pretty closely through the first few pages...

A couple of French Men PMing each other with a Public Ploy?

Or is it A Stalking of Mr Bubbles... PR_GMR, what is your Bubblicious Fixation?

(YES, BOLD IS A VOTE... I ACCUSE PR_GMR)

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:37 pm

Lassr wrote:Remus, Question: Since all the games I played before had only 2 bad guys and this one has 3, do the bad guys all have to agree on the one they kill or is it a majority, 2 of the 3 have to agree?

Just curious. Because if one hasn't been active at OO at all he could still be a Frechy since it would only take the other 2 to be active.

I know Remus already answered, but I just wanted to add in that in my past experience (PAST, experience) as a bad guy, the baddies generally have one player act as the go between for them to whomever is running the game. I admit I tend to try and take over that role. It's only cause I'm better than all of you, really. Sorry.

Chaosraven wrote:
Kelric wrote:The killing of Cesare seems to me to be an attempt to 1) remove a good player and 2) frame me. This move seems like it comes from someone who has played several games that have held Cesare and I. Such as the last game.

Mr. Bubbles and Grund are my prime suspects.
Starting with the Game Opener.

14 minutes after Cesare is found, Kelric leads the way.
I refer you to 2) frame me.

It strikes me odd that the Instantaneous Response of the Guy who May be Blamed based on Prior Games is the STANDARD cry of IT CAN'T BE ME, I'M BEING FRAMED.

So an immediate defense looks extra suspicious.

Honestly, I really saw it as a frame on myself. I've killed off Cesare in the past and last game I almost recruited him to the bad guys. Turned out he enabled my victory last time, so why would I want to get rid of him this time? 'To make yourself look innocent, of course!' some would say. They'd be wrong. I am innocent. Anyways, a frame of me was the first thought that came into my head upon seeing his death. And the fact that I posted 14 minutes after Remus is nothing special, I post on OO a lot if you hadn't noticed.

Chaosraven wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
Kelric wrote:stuff
response to stuff
Although the 3 minute window it took to read and respond to Kelric is also rather small...

A pair of partners (out of a Trio, yes) trying to establish a public rivalry?
So if the Fit hits the Shan and one of them is Exposed upon Death to be Bearing the Croissant then the other has a post to point back to wherein they said J'Accuse?

By that standard it may just be Kelric, Mr Bubbles, and Grundbegriff based on the first post.

Two bickering brothers and a public silly who posts everything in french?

I think it'd be too much of a coincidence that both Bubbles and myself are bad guys again after the last game. At best it's only one of us and that one isn't me.

By the standard that it's so ridiculous nobody would expect it, these three are smart enough to use just such an obvious yet sneaky ploy.

There's something I don't get accused of every day.

But I think keeping an eye on the Kelric/Mr Bubbles dynamic is important.

Mr Bubbles seems to be a more active player when a bad guy.
Kelric is too active this early for his usual bad guy behavior... you would expect to see him louder later.

Good point.

I can say with certainty that I have no proof that Bubbles is French. I also have no proof that he isn't. If I find anything out, I'll run straight to you guys and let you know.

And why is Chaosraven posting so quickly after Bubbles, hmmmm?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:38 pm

and Grund speaking french still smells of the hiding in plain sight strategy.

Look I'm speaking French, if I was really French I wouldn't be doing that.

I'm going to cast a vote here soon, I'm just flipping my mental coin at the moment.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:42 pm

Kelric wrote:And why is Chaosraven posting so quickly after Bubbles, hmmmm?

You guys are just interrupting my thought process... I hit submit and rather than editing post another random thought.

And just by RESPONDING to you *I*m going to be suspicious

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:44 pm

I withdraw my vote for Bubbles and change it to Chaosraven. He seems awfully quick to think everybody can be French and is casting suspicions on a lot of different people not named Chaosraven.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:49 pm

chaosraven random suspect list wrote: 2. UsulofDoom - too quiet

3. pr0ner - too quiet

4. ChrisGrenard - hasn't named a soldier chaosraven yet

7. brettmcd - accused Grund. We need Grund. Unless Grund is French.

8. ArmyOfOne - too quiet

10. ezmate - WARNING BELLS GOING OFF

11. Orinoco - too quiet

12. PR_GMR - fixated on one player

15. Kraegor - I want revenge for getting burned in the Thing Game

16. Ralph-Wiggum - Accuses me too often.

Make whatever you will of the names I left off of this Version.

Except mine. I *know* I'm suspicous, as do the rest of you... but only 4 of us in this game know the REAL TRUTH. Well... 3 of them know I'm not French, and the rest of you guys with Names know which one I'm not...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:51 pm

Kelric wrote:I withdraw my vote for Bubbles and change it to Chaosraven. He seems awfully quick to think everybody can be French and is casting suspicions on a lot of different people not named Chaosraven.

I will change my vote to chaosraven again after PR-GMR explains himself.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:21 pm

Night Post:

Mr Bubbles 3
PR_GMR 3
UsulofDoom 2
pr0ner 1
Lassr 1
Kelric 1
Ralph 1
Grund 1
Orinoco 1
Kraegor 1
ezmate 1

silent before day: ChrisGrenard, brettmcd, ArmyofOne, Chaosraven

Day Post (to this point)
Chaosraven 17
Mr Bubbles 9
Lassr 8
ChrisG 5
Kelric 4
PR_GMR 3
Kraegor 2
Ralph 2
ezmate 2
Grund 1
Brett 1

silent so far during the day: UsulofDoom, pr0ner, ArmyofOne, Orinoco

ArmyofOne has no post since game started. All others have posted at least once during night or day.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:40 pm

A couple of items that caught my attention:

Mr Bubbles will post a retaliatory vote against me, but didn't against Kelric or PR_GMR when those votes came first, and he responded to them. Why?

Mr Bubbles has noted that ArmyOfOne is MIA, and makes a point to keep his eye on pr0ner with minimal presence... but brettmcd, Orinoco also have one post since game start. Grund and Usul have 2. Why pr0ner?

And FIVE times is the Coincidental Overlap of Quoting each other, Responding to Each other, or Posting right next to each other for the PR_GMR Bubbles thing.

Yes, these are all focused on Mr Bubbles, based only on the amount of posts so far.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:56 pm

"Les sanglots longs des violons de l'automne
Blessent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone."

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:58 pm

Ok, I understand I'll get hung cuz I can't shut up.

You do know they'll hang you cuz they can't understand what yer sayin', right?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:59 pm

Chaosraven wrote: Mr Bubbles will post a retaliatory vote against me, but didn't against Kelric or PR_GMR when those votes came first, and he responded to them. Why?

Mr Bubbles has noted that ArmyOfOne is MIA, and makes a point to keep his eye on pr0ner with minimal presence... but brettmcd, Orinoco also have one post since game start. Grund and Usul have 2. Why pr0ner?

I was going with either Mr. Bubbles or ezmate. For now I will vote Mr. Bubbles

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:59 pm

In all the games I've played, at least one "kill the quiet guy" lynching has occured (and usually more than one as the game goes on). As far as I can remember, that strategy has never gotten a bad guy.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:03 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:"Les sanglots longs des violons de l'automne
Blessent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone."

I'm a bit baffled by your strategy. Frenchie hiding in plain sight or English villager taunting his fellow countrymen.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:03 pm

Chaosraven wrote:You do know they'll hang you cuz they can't understand what yer sayin', right?

Mais je m'en fiche, en tout cas....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:04 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:In all the games I've played, at least one "kill the quiet guy" lynching has occured (and usually more than one as the game goes on). As far as I can remember, that strategy has never gotten a bad guy.

I agree and that's why I didn't go that route this time. I think that's the trend because they are not helping the good guys either other than the fact that they are alive.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:09 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:In all the games I've played, at least one "kill the quiet guy" lynching has occured (and usually more than one as the game goes on). As far as I can remember, that strategy has never gotten a bad guy.

To my POV it's a cross between THREAT to PARTICIPATE as the Lack of Participation hurts the good guys and actively Pruning the Bush of the Dead Weight.

But as a Threat it helps to provide some form of info based on what people post. Even silly posting is evidence. Some way to make all players vote each round would be good too.

I know of at least a couple games where the Quieter Players were indeed Bad Guys... and they were hiding among the ones who got killed.

My theory based on three bad guys is One Vocal (very), One Vocal (limited and wishy washy, often contrary to former), One Quiet (though not always MIA).

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:25 pm

Okay, anyone else ready to lynch Grund because of the language thing?

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:26 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:In all the games I've played, at least one "kill the quiet guy" lynching has occured (and usually more than one as the game goes on). As far as I can remember, that strategy has never gotten a bad guy.

Look at the last Padre game. Caine's lack of participation really hurt the game. Look at some of the commentaries after the game were over. I am convinced that a non participating member is just as dangerous as a Frenchie. Thats why I pointed out Army. Its pretty much been a common theme in a couple games. So call it what you will, but I do believe non participating members are just as dangerous and they can be pointed out.

And for those voting for me.. Tools.. the whole lot of you. There are several people shooting for me. Im an easy target which benifits the French greatly. I am not guilty of being French or am I of being any special roled player. Kill me if you must. I suggest you do. Then when you find Im innocent use all the leads for the people gunning against me to develop some patterns that the French used to manipulate the situation. Long live the King.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:29 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:You do know they'll hang you cuz they can't understand what yer sayin', right?
Mais je m'en fiche, en tout cas....

Of course you care.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:33 pm

Actually I think there's still only two votes for you.

Mr Bubbles (2) PR_GMR, Lassr
Chaosraven (2) Ralph-Wiggum, Kelric
Grundbegriff (1) brettmcd
ArmyOfOne (1) Mr Bubbles
PR_GMR (1) Chaosraven

8 votes uncast

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:34 pm

Kelric wrote:Okay, anyone else ready to lynch Grund because of the language thing?

Yes.

Grundbegriff

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:03 pm

SPAM deleted by ImLawBoy

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:21 pm

Hmmm. I think I have an idea what Grund is.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:23 pm

Pretend for a moment that Grund is trying to provoke us into voting for him...