OO MTT NLHE 2007 Poker Tournament: Table Varkonyi
Moderator: Zaxxon
- Remus West
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Looks that way to me but I would guess that is Austin's call since he does not officially get on the clock until the player before him acts or is placed "away" by The Meal.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- Austin
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- Remus West
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- Location: Not in Westland
did you PM dedwhale?
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- Austin
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- RunningMn9
- Posts: 24785
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I don't see any action from godhugh - why did we skip him?
Am I correct that there's one limper ahead of me and the big blind behind me?
Am I correct that there's one limper ahead of me and the big blind behind me?
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
- godhugh
- Forum Admin
- Posts: 10016
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:18 pm
- Location: Plano, TX
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Sorry about missing my turn. I was on vacation and was trying to keep up with my PM's but I haven't had a chance to really deal with much OO stuff until this evening
.

To my Wife:
"Life's only life with you in this song" -Whistles the Wind, Flogging Molly
Not to my Wife:
- "When someone smiles at me, all I see is a chimpanzee begging for his life."
"Life's only life with you in this song" -Whistles the Wind, Flogging Molly
Not to my Wife:
- "When someone smiles at me, all I see is a chimpanzee begging for his life."
- RunningMn9
- Posts: 24785
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:55 pm
- Location: The Sword Coast
- Contact:
Action: Call
Next to Act: Shinjin
Next to Act: Shinjin
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
- The Meal
- Posts: 28192
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:33 pm
- Location: 2005 Stanley Cup Champion
You guys played the godhugh timeout perfectly. Thanks for the precedent linkage, Shinjin.
Varkonyi HAND014 Blinds 11/22/5
Incoming bankrollls:
009991 godhugh
009982 Austin
009615 dedewhale [button]
009851 RunningMn9 [SB]
010278 Shinjin [BB]
009745 stimpy
010556 Remus West
009991 LawBeefaroni
009991 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 5 each (pot: 45)
RunningMn9 (9835) in SB for 11 (pot: 56)
Shinjin (10251) in BB for 22 (pot: 78)
stimpy (9740) folds (pot: 78)
Remus West (10529) calls 22 (pot: 100)
LawBeefaroni (9986) folds (pot: 100)
rshetts1 (9986) folds
godhugh (8886) folds {FIRST TIMEOUT}
Austin (9977) folds
dedewhale (9610) folds (pot: 100)
RunningMn9 (9824) calls 11 more for 22 (pot: 111)
Shinjin (10251) BB22 (pot: 111)
Three to the flop:
The flop comes
:Ks::4d:
ACTION ON RunningMn9 (9824)
RunningMn9, Shinjin, and Remus West still in the pot.
~Neal
Varkonyi HAND014 Blinds 11/22/5
Incoming bankrollls:
009991 godhugh
009982 Austin
009615 dedewhale [button]
009851 RunningMn9 [SB]
010278 Shinjin [BB]
009745 stimpy
010556 Remus West
009991 LawBeefaroni
009991 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 5 each (pot: 45)
RunningMn9 (9835) in SB for 11 (pot: 56)
Shinjin (10251) in BB for 22 (pot: 78)
stimpy (9740) folds (pot: 78)
Remus West (10529) calls 22 (pot: 100)
LawBeefaroni (9986) folds (pot: 100)
rshetts1 (9986) folds
godhugh (8886) folds {FIRST TIMEOUT}
Austin (9977) folds
dedewhale (9610) folds (pot: 100)
RunningMn9 (9824) calls 11 more for 22 (pot: 111)
Shinjin (10251) BB22 (pot: 111)
Three to the flop:
The flop comes

ACTION ON RunningMn9 (9824)
RunningMn9, Shinjin, and Remus West still in the pot.
~Neal
"Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet." — Elontra
- RunningMn9
- Posts: 24785
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:55 pm
- Location: The Sword Coast
- Contact:
Bet: 100
Next to Act: Shinjin
Next to Act: Shinjin
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
- Remus West
- Posts: 33598
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 5:39 pm
- Location: Not in Westland
Action Raise 300 to 400
Action on RM9
Action on RM9
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- RunningMn9
- Posts: 24785
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:55 pm
- Location: The Sword Coast
- Contact:
- The Meal
- Posts: 28192
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:33 pm
- Location: 2005 Stanley Cup Champion
Varkonyi HAND014 Blinds 11/22/5
Incoming bankrollls:
009991 godhugh
009982 Austin
009615 dedewhale [button]
009851 RunningMn9 [SB]
010278 Shinjin [BB]
009745 stimpy
010556 Remus West
009991 LawBeefaroni
009991 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 5 each (pot: 45)
RunningMn9 (9835) in SB for 11 (pot: 56)
Shinjin (10251) in BB for 22 (pot: 78)
stimpy (9740) folds (pot: 78)
Remus West (10529) calls 22 (pot: 100)
LawBeefaroni (9986) folds (pot: 100)
rshetts1 (9986) folds
godhugh (8886) folds {FIRST TIMEOUT}
Austin (9977) folds
dedewhale (9610) folds (pot: 100)
RunningMn9 (9824) calls 11 more for 22 (pot: 111)
Shinjin (10251) BB22 (pot: 111)
Three to the flop:
The flop comes
:Ks::4d:
RunningMn9 (9724) bets 100 (pot: 211)
Shinjin (10251) folds (pot: 211)
Remus West (10129) raises by 300 to 400 (pot: 611)
RunningMn9 (9724) folds (pot: 611)
Remus West wins a pot of 611 chips
Hand Summary and Chip Count:
009986 godhugh (fold preflop, FIRST TIMEOUT)
009977 Austin (fold preflop)
009610 dedewhale (fold preflop)
009724 RunningMn9 (call 22 preflop, bet 100-fold flop)
010251 Shinjin (BB22 preflop, fold flop)
009740 stimpy (fold flop)
010740 Remus West (call 22 preflop, raise to 400 flop, win without showdown)
009986 LawBeefaroni (fold preflop)
009986 rshetts1 (fold preflop)
I'll be back in a few minutes with the new hand.
~Neal
Incoming bankrollls:
009991 godhugh
009982 Austin
009615 dedewhale [button]
009851 RunningMn9 [SB]
010278 Shinjin [BB]
009745 stimpy
010556 Remus West
009991 LawBeefaroni
009991 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 5 each (pot: 45)
RunningMn9 (9835) in SB for 11 (pot: 56)
Shinjin (10251) in BB for 22 (pot: 78)
stimpy (9740) folds (pot: 78)
Remus West (10529) calls 22 (pot: 100)
LawBeefaroni (9986) folds (pot: 100)
rshetts1 (9986) folds
godhugh (8886) folds {FIRST TIMEOUT}
Austin (9977) folds
dedewhale (9610) folds (pot: 100)
RunningMn9 (9824) calls 11 more for 22 (pot: 111)
Shinjin (10251) BB22 (pot: 111)
Three to the flop:
The flop comes

RunningMn9 (9724) bets 100 (pot: 211)
Shinjin (10251) folds (pot: 211)
Remus West (10129) raises by 300 to 400 (pot: 611)
RunningMn9 (9724) folds (pot: 611)
Remus West wins a pot of 611 chips
Hand Summary and Chip Count:
009986 godhugh (fold preflop, FIRST TIMEOUT)
009977 Austin (fold preflop)
009610 dedewhale (fold preflop)
009724 RunningMn9 (call 22 preflop, bet 100-fold flop)
010251 Shinjin (BB22 preflop, fold flop)
009740 stimpy (fold flop)
010740 Remus West (call 22 preflop, raise to 400 flop, win without showdown)
009986 LawBeefaroni (fold preflop)
009986 rshetts1 (fold preflop)
I'll be back in a few minutes with the new hand.
~Neal
"Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet." — Elontra
- The Meal
- Posts: 28192
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:33 pm
- Location: 2005 Stanley Cup Champion
Varkonyi HAND019 Blinds 12/24/6
Incoming bankrollls:
009986 godhugh (ONE TIMEOUT)
009977 Austin
009610 dedewhale
009724 RunningMn9 [button]
010251 Shinjin [SB]
009740 stimpy [BB]
010740 Remus West
009986 LawBeefaroni
009986 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 6 each (pot: 54)
Shinjin (10233) in SB for 12 (pot: 66)
stimpy (9710) in BB for 24 (pot: 90)
ACTION ON Remus West (10734)
Cards are on their way...
~Neal
Incoming bankrollls:
009986 godhugh (ONE TIMEOUT)
009977 Austin
009610 dedewhale
009724 RunningMn9 [button]
010251 Shinjin [SB]
009740 stimpy [BB]
010740 Remus West
009986 LawBeefaroni
009986 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 6 each (pot: 54)
Shinjin (10233) in SB for 12 (pot: 66)
stimpy (9710) in BB for 24 (pot: 90)
ACTION ON Remus West (10734)
Cards are on their way...
~Neal
"Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet." — Elontra
- Remus West
- Posts: 33598
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 5:39 pm
- Location: Not in Westland
Action: Raise to 100
action on Lawbeefaroni
action on Lawbeefaroni
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- LawBeefaroni
- Forum Moderator
- Posts: 56539
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:08 pm
- Location: Urbs in Horto, bonded and licensed.
Action: Call
Action on rshetts1. PM on the way.
Action on rshetts1. PM on the way.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General
"“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump.
"...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass
MYT
"“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump.
"...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass
MYT
- godhugh
- Forum Admin
- Posts: 10016
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:18 pm
- Location: Plano, TX
- Contact:
- Austin
- Posts: 15192
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:49 pm
- Location: Jacksonville, FL
- Contact:
- RunningMn9
- Posts: 24785
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:55 pm
- Location: The Sword Coast
- Contact:
Action: Call
Next to Act: Shinjin
Next to Act: Shinjin
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
- Remus West
- Posts: 33598
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 5:39 pm
- Location: Not in Westland
Action: Call
PMing Lawbeefaroni
PMing Lawbeefaroni
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- LawBeefaroni
- Forum Moderator
- Posts: 56539
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:08 pm
- Location: Urbs in Horto, bonded and licensed.
Action: Call
Action on...godhugh, right? PM on the way.
Action on...godhugh, right? PM on the way.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General
"“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump.
"...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass
MYT
"“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump.
"...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass
MYT
- The Meal
- Posts: 28192
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:33 pm
- Location: 2005 Stanley Cup Champion
Just a recap to help the flow...
Varkonyi HAND019 Blinds 12/24/6
Incoming bankrollls:
009986 godhugh
009977 Austin
009610 dedewhale
009724 RunningMn9 [button]
010251 Shinjin [SB]
009740 stimpy [BB]
010740 Remus West
009986 LawBeefaroni
009986 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 6 each (pot: 54)
Shinjin (10233) in SB for 12 (pot: 66)
stimpy (9710) in BB for 24 (pot: 90)
Remus West (10734) raises by 76 to 100 (pot: 190)
LawBeefaroni (9880) calls 100 (pot: 290)
rshetts1 (9980) folds
godhugh (9880) calls 100 (pot: 390)
Austin (9871) calls 100 (pot: 490)
dedewhale (9604) folds
RunningMn9 (9618) calls 100 (pot: 590)
Shinjin (10233) folds
stimpy (9134) raises by 500 to 600 (pot: 1166)
Remus West (10134) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 1666)
LawBeefaroni (9380) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 2166)
ACTION ON godhugh (9880)
Still in the pot are godhugh, Austin, RunningMn9, stimpy, Remus West, and LawBeefaroni.
~neal
Varkonyi HAND019 Blinds 12/24/6
Incoming bankrollls:
009986 godhugh
009977 Austin
009610 dedewhale
009724 RunningMn9 [button]
010251 Shinjin [SB]
009740 stimpy [BB]
010740 Remus West
009986 LawBeefaroni
009986 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 6 each (pot: 54)
Shinjin (10233) in SB for 12 (pot: 66)
stimpy (9710) in BB for 24 (pot: 90)
Remus West (10734) raises by 76 to 100 (pot: 190)
LawBeefaroni (9880) calls 100 (pot: 290)
rshetts1 (9980) folds
godhugh (9880) calls 100 (pot: 390)
Austin (9871) calls 100 (pot: 490)
dedewhale (9604) folds
RunningMn9 (9618) calls 100 (pot: 590)
Shinjin (10233) folds
stimpy (9134) raises by 500 to 600 (pot: 1166)
Remus West (10134) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 1666)
LawBeefaroni (9380) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 2166)
ACTION ON godhugh (9880)
Still in the pot are godhugh, Austin, RunningMn9, stimpy, Remus West, and LawBeefaroni.
~neal
"Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet." — Elontra
- godhugh
- Forum Admin
- Posts: 10016
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:18 pm
- Location: Plano, TX
- Contact:
- godhugh
- Forum Admin
- Posts: 10016
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:18 pm
- Location: Plano, TX
- Contact:
- Austin
- Posts: 15192
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:49 pm
- Location: Jacksonville, FL
- Contact:
- RunningMn9
- Posts: 24785
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:55 pm
- Location: The Sword Coast
- Contact:
Action: Call
Next to Act: The Meal
Next to Act: The Meal
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
- The Meal
- Posts: 28192
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:33 pm
- Location: 2005 Stanley Cup Champion
Varkonyi HAND019 Blinds 12/24/6
Incoming bankrollls:
009986 godhugh
009977 Austin
009610 dedewhale
009724 RunningMn9 [button]
010251 Shinjin [SB]
009740 stimpy [BB]
010740 Remus West
009986 LawBeefaroni
009986 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 6 each (pot: 54)
Shinjin (10233) in SB for 12 (pot: 66)
stimpy (9710) in BB for 24 (pot: 90)
Remus West (10734) raises by 76 to 100 (pot: 190)
LawBeefaroni (9880) calls 100 (pot: 290)
rshetts1 (9980) folds
godhugh (9880) calls 100 (pot: 390)
Austin (9871) calls 100 (pot: 490)
dedewhale (9604) folds
RunningMn9 (9618) calls 100 (pot: 590)
Shinjin (10233) folds
stimpy (9134) raises by 500 to 600 (pot: 1166)
Remus West (10134) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 1666)
LawBeefaroni (9380) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 2166)
godhugh (9880) folds
Austin (9871) folds (pot: 2166)
RunningMn9 (9118) calls 100 more for 600 (pot: 2666)
Four to the flop:
The flop comes
:3s::2h:
ACTION ON stimpy (9134)
Still in the pot are stimpy, Remus West, LawBeefaroni, and RunningMn9.
~Neal
Incoming bankrollls:
009986 godhugh
009977 Austin
009610 dedewhale
009724 RunningMn9 [button]
010251 Shinjin [SB]
009740 stimpy [BB]
010740 Remus West
009986 LawBeefaroni
009986 rshetts1
Preflop action:
9 players ante 6 each (pot: 54)
Shinjin (10233) in SB for 12 (pot: 66)
stimpy (9710) in BB for 24 (pot: 90)
Remus West (10734) raises by 76 to 100 (pot: 190)
LawBeefaroni (9880) calls 100 (pot: 290)
rshetts1 (9980) folds
godhugh (9880) calls 100 (pot: 390)
Austin (9871) calls 100 (pot: 490)
dedewhale (9604) folds
RunningMn9 (9618) calls 100 (pot: 590)
Shinjin (10233) folds
stimpy (9134) raises by 500 to 600 (pot: 1166)
Remus West (10134) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 1666)
LawBeefaroni (9380) calls 500 more for 600 (pot: 2166)
godhugh (9880) folds
Austin (9871) folds (pot: 2166)
RunningMn9 (9118) calls 100 more for 600 (pot: 2666)
Four to the flop:
The flop comes

ACTION ON stimpy (9134)
Still in the pot are stimpy, Remus West, LawBeefaroni, and RunningMn9.
~Neal
"Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet." — Elontra
- Remus West
- Posts: 33598
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 5:39 pm
- Location: Not in Westland
Action: Fold
PMing Lawbeefaroni
PMing Lawbeefaroni
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
- LawBeefaroni
- Forum Moderator
- Posts: 56539
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:08 pm
- Location: Urbs in Horto, bonded and licensed.
Action: Call
Action on RM9. PM being sent.
Action on RM9. PM being sent.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General
"“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump.
"...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass
MYT
"“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump.
"...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass
MYT
- RunningMn9
- Posts: 24785
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:55 pm
- Location: The Sword Coast
- Contact:
Action: Call
Next to Act: The Meal.
Next to Act: The Meal.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range