World of Darkness-Kine Strikes Back-Game Over-Kindred Win

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:06 pm

That last one works. The Vamps still have an edge if the power is transfered since they will know who it went to (the original Mage can tell them). That means that if there is no kill the night of a transfer to you odds are pretty stinking good you should speak up about it. Wait to give the old Mage time to come forward and say they transfered their power and their previous scans if they do this they may not be a convert but just getting their scan knowledge out there. Question though, does the Mage pick his target or is it random? If random then I assume the Priest and vamps are not part of the pool of possible recipients and the new Mage does not then need to worry about being outed by a converted Mage. If chosen then what happens to the power if the Mage chooses a vamp or the Priest?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:15 pm

Remus West wrote:Question though, does the Mage pick his target or is it random? If random then I assume the Priest and vamps are not part of the pool of possible recipients and the new Mage does not then need to worry about being outed by a converted Mage. If chosen then what happens to the power if the Mage chooses a vamp or the Priest?[/color]

I think transfer should be random, since becoming the original mage is random.

This will prevent the scenario in which a Mage deliberately transfers his power to someone specific, gets converted, and kills his transfer target.

Eligible recipients should be any of the unconverted unpowered.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:26 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:tru1cy: Are you OK with the change from Anything to Nothing? I think it'll make life simpler for you.

Tools:

Austin - Devious, Slippery

Chaosraven - Chaotic, Ravenous

Genghis - Khantilevered

Grundbegriff - Honest, Reliable

Kraegor - Insane, Resentful

Lassr - Formerly like a puppy, presently like a Lurking Horror

Newcastle - History of Vampirism in Family

pr0ner - Fighting against type

Remus West - Too Clever By Half

Scoop20906 - Unknown Quantity

triggercut - Cryptic, Aggressive

Unagi - Deceptively Humanesque

Elder Brujah

Lesser Brujah

Mage (Childe?)

Priest (Childe?)

Kine01 (Childe?)

Kine02 (Childe?)

Kine03 (Childe?)

Kine04 (Childe?)

Kine05 (Childe?)

Kine06 (Childe?)

Kine07 (Childe?)

Kine08 (Childe?)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:52 pm

Just the endless procession of days, months, years... My teacher left me to my darkest lesson, that in the end, we are alone, and there is nothing but the cold, dark wasteland of eternity.

Come out come out where ever you are

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:30 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Just the endless procession of days, months, years... My teacher left me to my darkest lesson, that in the end, we are alone, and there is nothing but the cold, dark wasteland of eternity.

Come out come out where ever you are

Oh super.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:33 pm

I'm off to bed but this post is a reminder to look back on what Remus was talking about with the PM'ing thing.

Dear future Austin, please reread what Remus said about PM's; he put your name in the post to remind you to reread. You were wondering about his reasoning and if there could be a hidden agenda along the lines of vamps and PM's and trust built and conversions.

Of course there will be no death tonight and there will be a conversion anyway. The vamps cannot risk giving up their elder by being over-protective of him tomorrow if someone picks up his scent. Well make that vamp.

Okay, off to night night.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:35 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Just the endless procession of days, months, years... My teacher left me to my darkest lesson, that in the end, we are alone, and there is nothing but the cold, dark wasteland of eternity.

Come out come out where ever you are

So you are a replicant?

I agree with Grund about the transfer. Random works better. The odds of the Mage getting converted the night he transfers is very very small but they would completely win it for the vamps. As it is they would still get a huge boost as they would know the transfer had been done and only 1 other player would know that since the old mage/new vamp would be unlikely to out himself at that point.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:37 pm

Austin wrote:I'm off to bed but this post is a reminder to look back on what Remus was talking about with the PM'ing thing.

Dear future Austin, please reread what Remus said about PM's; he put your name in the post to remind you to reread. You were wondering about his reasoning and if there could be a hidden agenda along the lines of vamps and PM's and trust built and conversions.

Of course there will be no death tonight and there will be a conversion anyway. The vamps cannot risk giving up their elder by being over-protective of him tomorrow if someone picks up his scent. Well make that vamp.

Okay, off to night night.

He put your name in the post because taking up your agrument to that effect got him lynched in the last game and he wanted to be upfront about not thinking it a good idea in this game.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:44 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Unagi wrote:Hmm , that does sound like a bit of a problem there.
Would it be bad to say the "the coversion" is actually the very very very first thing to occur in the morning?
Good solution!

So then:

The Mage may do one of these: See, PM, or Transfer.

Transfer is a one-time deal that only the original Mage can do.

The Mage loses his powers-- all of them-- if converted.

Nothing the Mage was trying to do on the night he's converted is canceled. This means that a transfer on the night of conversion will succeed.
AND

The order of events is

Mage scan or pm or transfer power

Priest protects

Vampire kill/make a childer
Much simpler, for tru1cy and everyone else.

Fine with me. Will update the rules.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:52 pm

Austin wrote:We'll make that vamp.

austined

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:19 am

I guess nothing is happening tonight. Pretty quiet. I'm going to go to bed.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:51 am

/walks into the thread,
/scratches his head as to why it's so dark in here
/stumbles around
/knocks over Scoops slumbering form
/looks around for the light switch
/realizes that its "night time"
/looks over at Lassr and Austin sleeping side by side, gives Lassr a little nudge with his foot, Lassr throws his arm around Austin
/austin reaches for the arm and cuddles close to it
/grinning with mischieviousness Newcastle eases into the corner and proceeds to fall asleep, content with himself

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:16 am

Newcastle wrote:/walks into the thread,
/scratches his head as to why it's so dark in here
/stumbles around
/knocks over Scoops slumbering form
/looks around for the light switch
/realizes that its "night time"
/looks over at Lassr and Austin sleeping side by side, gives Lassr a little nudge with his foot, Lassr throws his arm around Austin
/austin reaches for the arm and cuddles close to it
/grinning with mischieviousness Newcastle eases into the corner and proceeds to fall asleep, content with himself

Can I vote for Newcastle yet?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:22 am

There is no spooning.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:29 am

Grundbegriff wrote:There is no spooning.

Who said we were spooning?

Austin wrote: Can I vote for Newcastle yet?

I'm right behind you brother...on the vote not...oh never mind.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:02 am

/rolls over and rubs eyes

Ouch, my side hurts...

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:06 am

Which one of you guys got Scoop drunk and put it in his side?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:18 am

So anyway...

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:32 am

triggercut wrote:Which one of you guys got Scoop drunk and put it in his side?

what? you want a lineup to see who's crooked?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:07 pm

Mine's curved but I swear I didn't touch Scoop20906.

BTW, WTF do those numbers stand for?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:10 pm

Remus West wrote:Mine's curved but I swear I didn't touch Scoop20906.

BTW, WTF do those numbers stand for?

Hi birth date

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:10 pm

Austin wrote:
Remus West wrote:Mine's curved but I swear I didn't touch Scoop20906.

BTW, WTF do those numbers stand for?
Hi birth date

s

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:12 pm

Remus West wrote:Mine's curved but I swear I didn't touch Scoop20906.

BTW, WTF do those numbers stand for?

The number of months before the vampires check their PM's and this game gets started??

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:13 pm

Well, if someone has a guess what they are, I will tell you yes or no. But, when you find out you will be disappointed.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:14 pm

Austin wrote:
Remus West wrote:Mine's curved but I swear I didn't touch Scoop20906.

BTW, WTF do those numbers stand for?
Hi birth date

Nope, not birthday, not number of vamps.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:15 pm

zipcode.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:17 pm

triggercut wrote:
Remus West wrote:Mine's curved but I swear I didn't touch Scoop20906.

BTW, WTF do those numbers stand for?
The number of months before the vampires check their PM's and this game gets started??

Interesting...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:20 pm

Austin wrote:zipcode.

Boo, Austin got it. Told you it would be disappointing.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:20 pm

Austin wrote:zipcode.

Not unless he's in Maryland.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:21 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Austin wrote:zipcode.
Not unless he's in Maryland.

Or used to be.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:22 pm

Austin wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
Austin wrote:zipcode.
Not unless he's in Maryland.
Or used to be.

He explained it all to me on our secret forum. Who wants to be converted tonight?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:23 pm

Austin wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
Austin wrote:zipcode.
Not unless he's in Maryland.
Or used to be.

Yep, I have moved about 6 times since then but the username just stuck.

Are the vamps actually pming all this time coming up with strategy or are they just busy. I would think they would want to get their first kill or conversion in and get the game going.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:29 pm

there's no point to debating the meta timeline.

for one it messes with roleplay.

for two a mod (tru1cy) in this case, can intentionally delay posting to obfuscate "when" he received PMs.

and C: more than one person can be late in posting, so it can just as easily be used to frame an innocent.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:31 pm

Why does everyone assume it's the vamps?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:32 pm

I would imagine that once a conversion had taken place the vampires would desire time to chit chat first... not sure that's what the rules intended, but that's my guess.

obviously the priest cannot risk protecting another beyond himself.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:36 pm

Austin wrote:Why does everyone assume it's the vamps?

preconceived notion that delay is inherently evil.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:37 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:There is no spooning.

Is that sorta like 'There is no spoon' ?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:40 pm

Austin wrote:Why does everyone assume it's the vamps?

Do you assume it is not?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:42 pm

Remus West wrote:
Austin wrote:Why does everyone assume it's the vamps?
Do you assume it is not?

if he answers yes, we should kill him

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:44 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I would imagine that once a conversion had taken place the vampires would desire time to chit chat first...

I think the Vamps' conversion (assuming it is indeed tonight) occurs as the first act of the morning, so it's not the conversion and subsiquent chit-chat with the new-vamp... As it's been said - the delay can also be just tru1cy (on purpose or not), and not any of the players (kindred or kine).