OOWW: JLA ... GAME OVER!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:20 am

El Guapo wrote:Chaos, one questions: the "questions posed" for day and night don't indicate whether a hero/villain is in the game, right? So for example "Green Arrow: Who will you Shoot?
Green Lantern: Who will you Negate?" does not mean that Green Arrow and/or Green Lantern are in the game, correct?

Correct, I attempted to Pose all Potential Questions.

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:27 am

Gives the villains a giant playground of role-spoofing, it does.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:33 am

coopasonic wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Well! That's good news. So I guess that means that we at least have one of the Flash, Atom, and/or the Elongated Man in the game. And the trick is that the villains don't (as far as I can tell) know why their attack failed either.

Chaos, one questions: the "questions posed" for day and night don't indicate whether a hero/villain is in the game, right? So for example "Green Arrow: Who will you Shoot?
Green Lantern: Who will you Negate?" does not mean that Green Arrow and/or Green Lantern are in the game, correct?
Boilerplate... aren't you a lawyer?

Yes, you have outed me. For I am, ATTORNEY MAN!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:34 am

purge wrote:Gives the villains a giant playground of role-spoofing, it does.

Yes, Yoda, it does. Though without any way (that I can tell so far) of knowing who is NOT in the game, it would be a big risk for the villains to try spoofing. As if they guess wrong and the hero is in the game, they're busted.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:35 am

Sooooo...there's no reason to delay this, right? I guess I'll go ahead and cast the first day 1 rando-vote.

na na na na na na na na....

QANTAGA!

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:41 am

Chaosraven wrote:Unagi has an equal chance of being Hero, Normal, or Villain.

Going by the numbers, Unagi is the most likely Villain unless more than 1/3 of the players already are (in which case we're screwed anyway).

Unagi

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:45 am

Lassr

for insisting on wearing those invisible clothes.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:52 am

Lagom Lite wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Unagi has an equal chance of being Hero, Normal, or Villain.
Going by the numbers, Unagi is the most likely Villain unless more than 1/3 of the players already are (in which case we're screwed anyway).

Unagi

Why is that? If I understand this correctly Chaosraven doled out rolls with 1/3rd of the people being villains (right?). Adding Unagi to the game added a plus one, that could either tilt it marginally towards the villains (if Unagi is a villain) or slightly towards the heroes (if Unagi is a hero/normal). I don't see any reason that CR would tilt it one way or the other.

Unless I'm missing something, and I was up way too late playing ME3 last night, so that's possible.

But more importantly, CR directly said that Unagi has an equal chance of being hero, normal, or villain. So unless he's lying, Unagi is probably a hero or normal (as is any one person in the game).

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:57 am

El Guapo wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Unagi has an equal chance of being Hero, Normal, or Villain.
Going by the numbers, Unagi is the most likely Villain unless more than 1/3 of the players already are (in which case we're screwed anyway).

Unagi

Why is that? If I understand this correctly Chaosraven doled out rolls with 1/3rd of the people being villains (right?). Adding Unagi to the game added a plus one, that could either tilt it marginally towards the villains (if Unagi is a villain) or slightly towards the heroes (if Unagi is a hero/normal). I don't see any reason that CR would tilt it one way or the other.

Unless I'm missing something, and I was up way too late playing ME3 last night, so that's possible.

But more importantly, CR directly said that Unagi has an equal chance of being hero, normal, or villain. So unless he's lying, Unagi is probably a hero or normal (as is any one person in the game).

If there are 5 baddies in this game, it's unbalanced. Where did CR say there would be 1/3 villains?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:57 am

Players:

The League will not know how many Heroes are Among their Ranks, this number will be Randomly determined at Game Start and Roles of Heroes will be decided at Random as well.

The Villains will start with a random number based on participation (and if the Joker is one of them, could make a Harley Quinn)

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:02 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Unagi has an equal chance of being Hero, Normal, or Villain.
Going by the numbers, Unagi is the most likely Villain unless more than 1/3 of the players already are (in which case we're screwed anyway).

Unagi

Why is that? If I understand this correctly Chaosraven doled out rolls with 1/3rd of the people being villains (right?). Adding Unagi to the game added a plus one, that could either tilt it marginally towards the villains (if Unagi is a villain) or slightly towards the heroes (if Unagi is a hero/normal). I don't see any reason that CR would tilt it one way or the other.

Unless I'm missing something, and I was up way too late playing ME3 last night, so that's possible.

But more importantly, CR directly said that Unagi has an equal chance of being hero, normal, or villain. So unless he's lying, Unagi is probably a hero or normal (as is any one person in the game).
If there are 5 baddies in this game, it's unbalanced. Where did CR say there would be 1/3 villains?

I was just making an assumption based on Unagi having an equal chance (per CR's statement) of being hero, normal, or villain, and figuring that probably applied to everyone. But thinking about it some more, that probably doesn't make sense (since it would result in too many villains, most likely).

Still, I am curious about your statement that Unagi is most likely a villain. If CR was targeting a certain number of villains to make the logic of the game work (i.e. not be unbalanced), and then added another person, why would that make it more likely that the new person is a villain?

But I don't think it really matters, since CR said directly that Unagi has an equal chance of hero, normal, or villain. Unless he's lying, that means he's 66% likely to not be a villain.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:03 pm

El Guapo wrote:Why is that? If I understand this correctly Chaosraven doled out rolls with 1/3rd of the people being villains (right?).

11 vs 5 night kill
10 vs 5 lynch miss
9 vs 5 night kill
8 vs 5 lynch miss
7 vs 5 night kill
6 vs 5 lynch miss
5 vs 5 game over

That would only allow 2 misses (ignoring the night kill miss that moves things a half step in our favor, but still doesn't give us another miss).

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:06 pm

El Guapo wrote: But I don't think it really matters, since CR said directly that Unagi has an equal chance of hero, normal, or villain. Unless he's lying, that means he's 66% likely to not be a villain.

I had the same initial response to that, but then realizer tt's not that he's more likely to be a villain than not a villain. Based purely on the odds he is more likely to be a villain than anyone else selected at random assuming normal WW distribution.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:07 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Unagi has an equal chance of being Hero, Normal, or Villain.
Going by the numbers, Unagi is the most likely Villain unless more than 1/3 of the players already are (in which case we're screwed anyway).

Unagi

Why is that? If I understand this correctly Chaosraven doled out rolls with 1/3rd of the people being villains (right?). Adding Unagi to the game added a plus one, that could either tilt it marginally towards the villains (if Unagi is a villain) or slightly towards the heroes (if Unagi is a hero/normal). I don't see any reason that CR would tilt it one way or the other.

Unless I'm missing something, and I was up way too late playing ME3 last night, so that's possible.

But more importantly, CR directly said that Unagi has an equal chance of being hero, normal, or villain. So unless he's lying, Unagi is probably a hero or normal (as is any one person in the game).
If there are 5 baddies in this game, it's unbalanced. Where did CR say there would be 1/3 villains?
I was just making an assumption based on Unagi having an equal chance (per CR's statement) of being hero, normal, or villain, and figuring that probably applied to everyone. But thinking about it some more, that probably doesn't make sense (since it would result in too many villains, most likely).

Still, I am curious about your statement that Unagi is most likely a villain. If CR was targeting a certain number of villains to make the logic of the game work (i.e. not be unbalanced), and then added another person, why would that make it more likely that the new person is a villain?

But I don't think it really matters, since CR said directly that Unagi has an equal chance of hero, normal, or villain. Unless he's lying, that means he's 66% likely to not be a villain.

Yes, but that's still a higher number than anyone else. With no other data to go on, he's the "least unlikely" player to be a villain.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:33 pm

Does nobody care while discussing this that Unagi is also the most likely to be a Hero?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:48 pm

I'm just happy to have been included!
(thanks)

I'm guessing that I was given a 1/3 chance of being added to any of the three lists:
Powerless/Hero/Villain

Remus West wrote:Unagi is also the most likely to be a Hero?

I like to think that you are saying, even if Unpowered, my actions are historically so damned heroic!

right?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:55 pm

sweet i lived, i lived....now off to my super secret identity of......yellow post-it man, with the ability to spew out yellow stickies everywhere that people cant organize...i befuddle them into a yellow see of madness!.

hmm....random sticky says.....

coop

since scoop aint here, go to the next option. (scoop aint playing right?)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:03 pm

VOTES

1 coopasonic - Newcastle
1 Qantaga - El Guapo
1 Lassr - theohall
1 Unagi - Lagom Lite

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:04 pm

Chaosraven wrote:SUNDAY NIGHT BEGINS

PLAYERS

1) bb2112
2) Isgrimnur
3) coopasonic
4) Newcastle
5) El Guapo
6) Remus West
7) Qantaga
8) tru1cy
9) theohall
10) purge
11) Lagom Lite
12) Lassr
13) Mr Bubbles
14) Grundbegriff
15) Austin
16) RMC
17) Unagi

Correct.

I thin we should blow some ...
Bubbles

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:21 pm

purge wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:SUNDAY NIGHT BEGINS

PLAYERS

1) bb2112
2) Isgrimnur
3) coopasonic
4) Newcastle
5) El Guapo
6) Remus West
7) Qantaga
8) tru1cy
9) theohall
10) purge
11) Lagom Lite
12) Lassr
13) Mr Bubbles
14) Grundbegriff
15) Austin
16) RMC
17) Unagi
Correct.

I thin we should blow some ...
Bubbles

It's clear who first should be Purged

!
Ha... see what I did there/

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:44 pm

So this is the phase where we all pick a different person to vote for for flimsy or no reason? Otherwise known as the "Annoy the Mod" phase.

Isgrimnur

It was the Yellow Submarine comment, though I could be convinced to vote for bb for not knowing the DC Universe characters and openly admitting it.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:50 pm

El Guapo wrote:Well! That's good news. So I guess that means that we at least have one of the Flash, Atom, and/or the Elongated Man in the game. And the trick is that the villains don't (as far as I can tell) know why their attack failed either.

Not necessarily. What about:

Joker - the Joker has a bomb. A very nasty Bomb. If Lynched, the Joker may use the bomb to kill any one Player of his choosing. If alive, may convert any Player to Harley Quin once per game instead of killing them at Night.

I find it intersting that you went through all the heroes powers, but ignored the villains...

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:50 pm

purge wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:SUNDAY NIGHT BEGINS

PLAYERS

1) bb2112
2) Isgrimnur
3) coopasonic
4) Newcastle
5) El Guapo
6) Remus West
7) Qantaga
8) tru1cy
9) theohall
10) purge
11) Lagom Lite
12) Lassr
13) Mr Bubbles
14) Grundbegriff
15) Austin
16) RMC
17) Unagi
Correct.

I thin we should blow some ...
Bubbles

in heaven MJ is smiling.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:53 pm

theohall wrote: Lassr

for insisting on wearing those invisible clothes.

I did not choose to wear the invisible uni but someone hid my regular outfit. I need a cape to at least cover my backside...and not an invisible cape!

So who would hide my outfit? Chaosraven is the obvious answer but since he's the one narrating it cannot be him, "Meanwhile back at the Hall of Justice, Lassr is using the good china to hide his giblets."

bb2112

seems infatuated with me or at least in using my

graphic.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:56 pm

VOTES

1 coopasonic - Newcastle
1 Qantaga - El Guapo
1 Lassr - theohall
1 Unagi - Lagom Lite
1 Mr Bubbles - purge
1 purge - Mr Bubbles
1 Isgrimnur - coopasonic
1 bb2112 - Lassr

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:01 pm

bb2112 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Well! That's good news. So I guess that means that we at least have one of the Flash, Atom, and/or the Elongated Man in the game. And the trick is that the villains don't (as far as I can tell) know why their attack failed either.
Not necessarily. What about:

Joker - the Joker has a bomb. A very nasty Bomb. If Lynched, the Joker may use the bomb to kill any one Player of his choosing. If alive, may convert any Player to Harley Quin once per game instead of killing them at Night.

I find it intersting that you went through all the heroes powers, but ignored the villains...

That's a good point.

The reason why I only went through the heroes' powers is that when I saw that no one had died I immediately looked for protection powers (since I assumed that was the only way that no one would die - I don't think I've been in a game where a conversion took the place of a night kill). But you're right.

I think Batman would be able to tell whether a conversion was used (as I think that's the only way the number of villains would increase), though it probably would not be worth him coming out just for that.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:07 pm

coopasonic wrote:though I could be convinced to vote for bb for not knowing the DC Universe characters and openly admitting it.

This is where I should say how I was too busy with sports, friends, and girls as a kid to be caught up in comic books. Oh how I wish I could say I was even close to being that cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgOB7VWjlSQ" target="_blank

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:10 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Unagi has an equal chance of being Hero, Normal, or Villain.
Going by the numbers, Unagi is the most likely Villain unless more than 1/3 of the players already are (in which case we're screwed anyway).

Unagi

Why is that? If I understand this correctly Chaosraven doled out rolls with 1/3rd of the people being villains (right?). Adding Unagi to the game added a plus one, that could either tilt it marginally towards the villains (if Unagi is a villain) or slightly towards the heroes (if Unagi is a hero/normal). I don't see any reason that CR would tilt it one way or the other.

Unless I'm missing something, and I was up way too late playing ME3 last night, so that's possible.

But more importantly, CR directly said that Unagi has an equal chance of being hero, normal, or villain. So unless he's lying, Unagi is probably a hero or normal (as is any one person in the game).
If there are 5 baddies in this game, it's unbalanced. Where did CR say there would be 1/3 villains?
I was just making an assumption based on Unagi having an equal chance (per CR's statement) of being hero, normal, or villain, and figuring that probably applied to everyone. But thinking about it some more, that probably doesn't make sense (since it would result in too many villains, most likely).

Still, I am curious about your statement that Unagi is most likely a villain. If CR was targeting a certain number of villains to make the logic of the game work (i.e. not be unbalanced), and then added another person, why would that make it more likely that the new person is a villain?

But I don't think it really matters, since CR said directly that Unagi has an equal chance of hero, normal, or villain. Unless he's lying, that means he's 66% likely to not be a villain.
Yes, but that's still a higher number than anyone else. With no other data to go on, he's the "least unlikely" player to be a villain.

ah, I understand - I see your point. Though as Remus says, Unagi may also be the most likely to be a hero too.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:10 pm

bb2112 wrote:
coopasonic wrote:though I could be convinced to vote for bb for not knowing the DC Universe characters and openly admitting it.
This is where I should say how I was too busy with sports, friends, and girls as a kid to be caught up in comic books. Oh how I wish I could say I was even close to being that cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgOB7VWjlSQ" target="_blank

Honestly I'm surprised that Remus hasn't already jumped on this as a reason to vote for you.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:12 pm

bb2112 wrote:
coopasonic wrote:though I could be convinced to vote for bb for not knowing the DC Universe characters and openly admitting it.
This is where I should say how I was too busy with sports, friends, and girls as a kid to be caught up in comic books. Oh how I wish I could say I was even close to being that cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgOB7VWjlSQ" target="_blank

I'm pretty sure saying that would be signing your death warrant any way.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:14 pm

Lassr wrote:
theohall wrote: Lassr

for insisting on wearing those invisible clothes.
I did not choose to wear the invisible uni but someone hid my regular outfit. I need a cape to at least cover my backside...and not an invisible cape!

So who would hide my outfit? Chaosraven is the obvious answer but since he's the one narrating it cannot be him, "Meanwhile back at the Hall of Justice, Lassr is using the good china to hide his giblets."

bb2112

seems infatuated with me or at least in using my
graphic.

I am

complete lust with that graphic! Being relatively new, I didn't realize you had proprietary rights. That being said, I am sorry for any

convenience caused by my having used, or by cont

uing to use that graphic at every s

gle game I participate

go

g forward.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:18 pm

bravo

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:20 pm

[accuseunagi[/accuse ... oh who am i kidding..

" Once more, I play our dangerous game, a game of chess against my old adversary" - austin

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:21 pm

He missed a few spots.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:25 pm

That was almost a vote worthy post BB. Almost.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:28 pm

theohall wrote:He missed a few spots.

I did miss one. Had to see if you guys were paying attention.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:28 pm

theohall wrote:He missed a few spots.

That's why the villains always Fail, they never are as thorough as the good guys.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:32 pm

bb2112 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Well! That's good news. So I guess that means that we at least have one of the Flash, Atom, and/or the Elongated Man in the game. And the trick is that the villains don't (as far as I can tell) know why their attack failed either.
Not necessarily. What about:

Joker - the Joker has a bomb. A very nasty Bomb. If Lynched, the Joker may use the bomb to kill any one Player of his choosing. If alive, may convert any Player to Harley Quin once per game instead of killing them at Night.

I find it intersting that you went through all the heroes powers, but ignored the villains...

There's another possibility. While it's unlikely (I've never seen it as an option for evil before), it's worth asking:

Chaos, can Evil choose to pass on their night kill? Or are they compelled to make a kill attempt (unless the Harley conversion is attempted)?

The rules say:

Chaosraven wrote: Night Activity:

Villains submit an Attack.

I'm asking because the word "must" is absent.

In this game, the confusion generated by passing on a kill could make it a viable strategy (and therefore something to be considered), if it is allowed.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:33 pm

My understanding is that the wolves must kill at night in these games, though it is worth asking.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:36 pm

Villains must submit Attack Orders, will edit rules.