[Poll] Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November? - Nope, Biden's out

[Skinypupy]

Manchin looking to enter the race.

Is this just you talking or reality? I thought he declared himself independent.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1815159817532481996

That dude can fuck aaaaaaaaaaalllllllll the way off.

[Zarathud]

Fuck you, Joe Manchin. You’ve shown your stripes.

[LordMortis]

That dude can fuck aaaaaaaaaaalllllllll the way off.

A thousand times that.

To stay true to myself and remain committed to put country before party, I have decided to register as an independent with no party affiliation and continue to fight for America’s sensible majority.”

[Newcastle]

Manchin looking to enter the race.

Is this just you talking or reality? I thought he declared himself independent.

apologies if unclear, was reporting from what I was reading at the time.

[LordMortis]

I won't let him destroy the good mood I've been put him. Williamsom, doesn't have a chance at destroying my mood.

Horrible thing is I'd vote Manchin if I had to. I would. If there was some reality where "the Left" forced me to do that, though, that would be the last of my hope gone. I can't imagine my disenfranchisement ever ending and don't want imagine what that would mean. But the point being is he will be working to keep voters home that would otherwise be voting to keep TFG out of office.

[Kraken]

Kamalas VP pick will be someone popular in the swing states, and most likely a straight white Christian man.

AFAIK Mike Pence is still between jobs. Hey, he saved democracy once already.

[Kurth]

Kamalas VP pick will be someone popular in the swing states, and most likely a straight white Christian man.

AFAIK Mike Pence is still between jobs. Hey, he saved democracy once already.

Even though I know you're joking here, that's a bridge too far!

[Default]

Williamsome is probably too progressive even for progressives. But she isn just there for exposure.

Machin is very viable excepting the fact he’s also too old at 76.

Joe who?

[Zaxxon]

Scratch the idea of the Squad pulling anything.

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1815179139806331043?s=46

[waitingtoconnect]

I would vote for any Joe Man Chin over Donald trump.



I’d also vote for mike pence but Id be concerned that his mother is too old to be vice president.

[Skinypupy]

Obama not specifically endorsing Harris at this point. Don’t love that.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 3663307812

[waitingtoconnect]

Biden didn’t endorse Harris initially either. I expect that many of these messages were all prearranged and agreed on

[Holman]

Obama knows that his endorsement announcement will be a major news event. He'll wait for the right moment.

[Daehawk]

Oh boy...can a black woman beat the orange magot?

[Victoria Raverna]

I saw some comments that stated Harris is not african-american but indian-american or mixed. GOP's bots or there are actually some african americans that don't think Kamala is black enough?

[Archinerd]

I donated to her campaign fund. First time I've ever contributed to a presidential campaign.

And it seems like I'm not the only one. Politico

[YellowKing]

Oh boy...can a black woman beat the orange magot?

I saw a tweet today that outlined the last 4 Presidential elections:

- A black man won the presidency
- A black man was re-elected to the presidency
- A woman won the popular vote for the presidency
- A black-Indian female VP won her office

In other words, the fears of race/gender being a disqualifier are probably vastly overblown.

I know there's a lot of fuss about Hillary losing thus proving a woman can't win, but again - she won the popular vote despite years of being dragged through the mud by the right. Harris is not popular, but she doesn't have nearly the baggage and pre-built hatred that Hillary had. She'll be fine.

As far as Obama not endorsing, I read that there is some purposeful strategy to go through the open process and not give the perception that Biden was kicked out and Harris installed without due consideration. It's sort of like having to get quotes from three different vendors for your company when you know good and well they're just going to go with the one they've been dealing with for years. I think everyone knows it's Harris, but they have to go through the dog and pony show.

[Kraken]

I donated to her campaign fund. First time I've ever contributed to a presidential campaign.

And it seems like I'm not the only one. Politico

+1/2. I donated to ActBlue tonight, but I'd previously given money to Elizabeth Warren's campaign so this was my second time. A surge in donations is the vote of confidence that Obama and Pelosi are waiting to see.

[Unagi]

Oh boy...can a black woman beat the orange magot?

I saw a tweet today that outlined the last 4 Presidential elections:

- A black man won the presidency
- A black man was re-elected to the presidency
- A woman won the popular vote for the presidency
- A black-Indian female VP won her office

In other words, the fears of race/gender being a disqualifier are probably vastly overblown.

I know there's a lot of fuss about Hillary losing thus proving a woman can't win, but again - she won the popular vote despite years of being dragged through the mud by the right. Harris is not popular, but she doesn't have nearly the baggage and pre-built hatred that Hillary had. She'll be fine.

As far as Obama not endorsing, I read that there is some purposeful strategy to go through the open process and not give the perception that Biden was kicked out and Harris installed without due consideration. It's sort of like having to get quotes from three different vendors for your company when you know good and well they're just going to go with the one they've been dealing with for years. I think everyone knows it's Harris, but they have to go through the dog and pony show.

This will absolutely gel the two (not white + not male) biggest bigotry targets into one. That being said - the bigots were already gelled, so I'm compelled to not force myself not to panic about that.

[waitingtoconnect]

I saw some comments that stated Harris is not african-american but indian-american or mixed. GOP's bots or there are actually some african americans that don't think Kamala is black enough?

Oh they will dog whistle I’m sure to try and erode her in the various groups that might support her.

She’s a nonwhite woman. So the “woke”, “diversity hire”, “weak” whistling is being openly said on YouTube and reddit by the Magaratti.

For African Americans she will painted as not African American enough because her father is Jamaican and she prosecuted crime.

Because she is half Indian she is not Indian enough.

Because she is a childless woman she is not woman enough.

She’s married to a Jewish man so “conspiracy” and “Gaza”.

She also spent part of her childhood in Canada and as a result speaks fluent French. I don’t know about most people but that raises all kinds of national security issues.

And because she has step children she doesn’t have family values.

And she is also not an American. Oakland California is clearly not part of the United States.

In many ways her life and her family are a reflection of what most of Gen X and gen Y in New England, Illinois and the west coast have done through in life in terms of connection with other cultures and what not. Life isn’t quite like that in the south or mid west so it will be interesting to see how the inevitable dog whistles turn off voters in those areas.

She is definitely qualified to be president. I can’t believe anyone who is sane would pick trump and project 2025 over her. Especially if they thought Biden was too old.

[waitingtoconnect]

Obama knows that his endorsement announcement will be a major news event. He'll wait for the right moment.

If everyone goes behind Harris all at once and it is a coronation then that runs the risk of it all being seen as undemocratic as well.

Be interesting to see if Ohio and the red run states try to block her from appearing on the ballot because it’s “too late”.

[$iljanus]

Obama knows that his endorsement announcement will be a major news event. He'll wait for the right moment.

And I bet he'll have something to say at the Democratic Convention.

[Jaymann]

Obama knows that his endorsement announcement will be a major news event. He'll wait for the right moment.

If everyone goes behind Harris all at once and it is a coronation then that runs the risk of it all being seen as undemocratic as well.

Be interesting to see if Ohio and the red run states try to block her from appearing on the ballot because it’s “too late”.

Not sure how that would work since nobody has been nominated yet.

[Grifman]

I donated to her campaign fund. First time I've ever contributed to a presidential campaign.

And it seems like I'm not the only one. Politico

They have more than doubled that amount, the total raised is over $60 million and counting.

[Victoria Raverna]

That shows Biden made a good decision by withdrawing from the race. Voters are responding to that with donations.

[waitingtoconnect]

Obama knows that his endorsement announcement will be a major news event. He'll wait for the right moment.

If everyone goes behind Harris all at once and it is a coronation then that runs the risk of it all being seen as undemocratic as well.

Be interesting to see if Ohio and the red run states try to block her from appearing on the ballot because it’s “too late”.

Not sure how that would work since nobody has been nominated yet.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/2 ... s-00169973

And evil Stephen Colbert says otherwise.

[Blackhawk]

I saw some comments that stated Harris is not african-american but indian-american or mixed. GOP's bots or there are actually some african americans that don't think Kamala is black enough?

Black (Jamaican) father, Indian mother.

Has anyone asked for her birth certificate yet?

[waitingtoconnect]

I saw some comments that stated Harris is not african-american but indian-american or mixed. GOP's bots or there are actually some african americans that don't think Kamala is black enough?

Black (Jamaican) father, Indian mother.

Has anyone asked for her birth certificate yet?

That’s news from 2020… https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/kama ... 023-10-18/

The rumour is that “Kamala Harris is NOT a ‘natural born Citizen” per Art II Sec. 1 par 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Both parents were foreign nationals, NOT U.S. citizens when Kamala was born in Oakland, CA. She is missing 2 of the 3 legs of the ‘natural born Citizen’ test. Kamala can’t be president!”

This is a lie. Most western nations are now blocking automatic citizenship if born to foreign parents but this does not apply to America (yet) and no nation has applied laws like retrospectively.

Also if one is a moral individual someone like Harris who has been successful in life and her parents who are both extremely intelligent (Kamala’s mother made major advances in breast cancer research) are very poor examples for such as law change being required.

[Victoria Raverna]

I saw some comments that stated Harris is not african-american but indian-american or mixed. GOP's bots or there are actually some african americans that don't think Kamala is black enough?

Black (Jamaican) father, Indian mother.

Has anyone asked for her birth certificate yet?

That’s news from 2020… https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/kama ... 023-10-18/

The rumour is that “Kamala Harris is NOT a ‘natural born Citizen” per Art II Sec. 1 par 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Both parents were foreign nationals, NOT U.S. citizens when Kamala was born in Oakland, CA. She is missing 2 of the 3 legs of the ‘natural born Citizen’ test. Kamala can’t be president!”

This is a lie. Most western nations are now blocking automatic citizenship if born to foreign parents but this does not apply to America (yet) and no nation has applied laws like retrospectively.

The John Eastman of that is the same as the John Eastman that got disbarred for trying to steal the election for Donald Trump?

[waitingtoconnect]

I believe they are one and the same.

In August 2020, Newsweek published an op-ed by Eastman questioning 2020 vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris's eligibility for the office. He asserted she could not be a U.S. citizen by birth despite being born in Oakland, California, if neither of her parents was a permanent resident at the time of her birth. Eastman said that she could have subsequently obtained citizenship derived from the naturalization of her parents if one of them had become a citizen prior to her 16th birthday in 1980, which would have allowed Harris to fulfill the nine-year citizenship requirement necessary to become a senator

All prominent legal scholars disagreed with Eastman's position, and many compared it to the birtherism theory against President Barack Obama. Newsweek defended the column, while acknowledging that they were "horrified that this op-ed gave rise to a wave of vile Birtherism directed at Senator Harris". They stated there was no connection between the op-ed and the birther movement. Rather, the op-ed focused on the "long-standing, somewhat arcane legal debate about the precise meaning of the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' in the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment", also known as the jus sanguinis or jus soli debate.

Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of Berkeley Law School, told the BBC, "Under section 1 of the 14th Amendment, anyone born in the United States is a United States citizen. The Supreme Court has held this since the 1890s. Kamala Harris was born in the United States."

(Taken from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eastman)

Of course with this current Supreme Court…. Who can say?

In precedent in United States v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898 the Supreme Court held that, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, any child born in the United States is a US citizen from birth, with the sole exception of children born to a parent or parents with diplomatic immunity, since such parent is not a "subject to the US law". More broadly, the court characterized the statement, All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States as "the broad and clear words of the Constitution," ruling that Wong's U.S. citizenship had been acquired by birth and had not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth.

Anyhow it’s good to see real debate in this country. Biden read the room and despite wanting to go on made the right call for the country.

With trump any attempt for him to be made to see reason was met with:

[YellowKing]

I must say that though I expected if Biden dropped out there would be a quick rally around Harris, I was quite unprepared for the level of enthusiasm for her. She really is the anti-Trump in almost every way, and that seems to have really poured gasoline on the dying embers of the female/youth vote.

Was reading a tweet this morning (I don't have proof, so consider it anecdotal) that a Zoom call was put together for black women to organize for Harris. They exceeded the 1,000 meeting member limit immediately, had to call Zoom support for assistance, and wound up with 40,000 participants.

I don't think the handful of "Biden bigots" that will switch their vote from Biden to a no-vote because of Harris' gender are going to touch the numbers of voters who were apathetic about voting but are now extremely motivated. Women were angry before, now they're angry AND energized.

[El Guapo]

Obama knows that his endorsement announcement will be a major news event. He'll wait for the right moment.

If everyone goes behind Harris all at once and it is a coronation then that runs the risk of it all being seen as undemocratic as well.

Be interesting to see if Ohio and the red run states try to block her from appearing on the ballot because it’s “too late”.

Not sure how that would work since nobody has been nominated yet.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/2 ... s-00169973

And evil Stephen Colbert says otherwise.

Yeah this has been my main worry about switching the nominee. Not that it shouldn't work but that the SCOTUS will happily issue a crazy context-free decision excluding her from the ballot in one or more swing states.

Excluding her from Ohio would be crazy for the GOP to try to do because she's presumably not winning Ohio anyway, so the blowback from trying to do so (which would likely impact competitive states) would probably help Harris overall.

[LordMortis]

So this morning, I turn on CNBC, they are de-emphaising the Harris run, but "asking the question" if Biden is unfit to run, is he unfit to hold office. And off goes the news. I tried.

That being said - the bigots were already gelled, so I'm compelled to not force myself not to panic about that.

That's where I'm at. I think that's why this news is making me more hopeful than I thought it would.

Excluding her from Ohio would be crazy for the GOP to try to do because she's presumably not winning Ohio anyway, so the blowback from trying to do so (which would likely impact competitive states) would probably help Harris overall.

Absolutely, especially after Co floating excluding TFG and promptly got set straight. But then this is our current Supreme Court... One would think keep Harris off the ballot in a non competitive state would cause all of the competitive states to give the GOP the most severe warmongering penalty.

[LawBeefaroni]

I don't think the handful of "Biden bigots" that will switch their vote from Biden to a no-vote because of Harris' gender are going to touch the numbers of voters who were apathetic about voting but are now extremely motivated. Women were angry before, now they're angry AND energized.

I don't love that it takes something new and shiny to fire up voters in such an existential election but if it works, so he be it.

I'm a bit concerned that it may be too early and voters will get bored again but we'll see.

[LordMortis]

I don't love that it takes something new and shiny to fire up voters in such an existential election but if it works, so he be it.

I don't love it either but it's working on me. I thought Biden should have dropped out a long time ago. I believed it was going to be a logistical nightmare for him drop out this late, so I was resigned to his aging out and thinking hope was in quicksand. And here I am now, surprised at how good it feels that he has the integrity to step up by stepping down and that there seems to be a plan in place from the outside to give the nod to someone I am comfortable with and believe will carry on with much of the same administration we've been getting. Yesterday was the beginning of what I hope is an enduring "all is not lost" feeling as the GOP searches for its Swift Boat.

[Newcastle]

@ Yellow King

From NY TIMES

In a sign of growing grassroots energy behind Kamala Harris’ presidential campaign, attendance at a routine organizing call called Win With Black Women that usually sees hundreds of attendees exceeded 50,000 on Sunday. The women raised more than $1 million for Harris’s candidacy, organizers said.

[Skinypupy]

So this morning, I turn on CNBC, they are de-emphaising the Harris run, but "asking the question" if Biden is unfit to run, is he unfit to hold office. And off goes the news. I tried.

Saw lots of that last night: "If Biden is unfit to run for re-election, he is unfit to serve the rest of his term and must resign now". Because, as we all know, everyone who has ever announced they are retiring at some point in the future must immediately just leave their job. Do they realize how incredibly stupid they sound?

That said, I do find 6 months of a lame duck POTUS with newly acquired complete immunity for official acts to be a somewhat hilarious prospect. We know Biden is a decent enough person to not abuse that power, but man...Dark Brandon could do some of the funniest shit ever.

[GreenGoo]

I'm just going to say that I think this whole thing is insane, especially at this stage of the game.

Geezus H.

That's it. Enjoy the clown show.

[LawBeefaroni]

Cue the pivot to "We need age and experience in the White House."

[Skinypupy]

Cue the pivot to "We need age and experience in the White House."

It's already started.

https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/statu ... 4830091403

Funny side note: I have a neighbor who hoists a new anti-Biden flag every couple weeks. Last week’s was “Joe and the Hoe Gotta Go”. His truck is covered in “Lets Go Brandon” and other anti-Biden stickers and flags.

I truly love this development for him.