Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:54 pm
Do you think he'll pick a HF or PP Mafia cabinet? I can't see him picking anyone other than someone he can expect absolute loyalty from.
He's already promised Musk a position "as efficiency czar" and has been choosing from the HF and PP field as his advisors in a growing capacity since 2016. He is either getting loyalty or behind the scenes kickbacks.
OtOH, I don't see them betraying him unless they know they can do it safely. They will just continue to lay groundwork for their style of "technocracy" with them as the Plato Golden bloods until they know they're safe.
Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:17 pm I don’t recall any rules such as this here.
To be fair, we haven't actually had 'rules' in a long time. When we did, posting excerpts with links rather than entire articles was absolutely one of them (I remember porting that part of them from the Gone Gold CoC.)
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm
While BH's post could have been more tactful
If I was less than courteous, I apologize to Grifman. Probably a side effect of posting before the morning caffeine has entered my bloodstream. Not being overly blunt, in text or person, requires a conscious effort from me, and when I'm tired, I don't always notice that aspect of what I say (it's one of the reasons that in-person conversations are exhausting for me!)
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm
While BH's post could have been more tactful
If I was less than courteous, I apologize to Grifman. Probably a side effect of posting before the morning caffeine has entered my bloodstream. Not being overly blunt, in text or person, requires a conscious effort from me, and when I'm tired, I don't always notice that aspect of what I say (it's one of the reasons that in-person conversations are exhausting for me!)
Knowing you, I didn't think you intended to be rude or denigrating, but I can also see how Grif might have taken it that way. These things happen.
I'd be happy with a norm that very long quotes get spoilered. It's just easier on the ol' scrolling finger, especially after you've read the post once.
Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:17 pm I don’t recall any rules such as this here.
To be fair, we haven't actually had 'rules' in a long time. When we did, posting excerpts with links rather than entire articles was absolutely one of them (I remember porting that part of them from the Gone Gold CoC.)
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm
While BH's post could have been more tactful
If I was less than courteous, I apologize to Grifman. Probably a side effect of posting before the morning caffeine has entered my bloodstream. Not being overly blunt, in text or person, requires a conscious effort from me, and when I'm tired, I don't always notice that aspect of what I say (it's one of the reasons that in-person conversations are exhausting for me!)
You weren’t rude, it just struck me wrong, and I didn’t think it necessary. I always post a link, the one time I don’t because I don’t really have a link (I don’t consider FB a good link and to be honest, since I saw it in the app, I don’t even know how to post such a link) and someone doesn’t ask why, but assumes I, a long time poster, just doesn’t know what’s going on. Like I said, a PM would have been more appropriate. If I had done it several times, sure, but one time, give a guy a break. But no hard feelings towards BH or anyone else. Let’s move on and talk about Cheeto Man. I’m good.
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. – G.K. Chesterton
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:56 pm
That idea is going like wildfire on the social medias. I keep questioning how it will work and never get a solid answer.
I believe normally Congress would need to declare the President unfit for office by a 2/3rd majority vote. However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment allows the Vice President and the Cabinet to jointly agree the President is unfit for office.
That's my point. I don't see how 2/3rds of Congress or Trump's hand-picked cabinet would betray him.
I can see how his Heritage Foundation and Paypal Mafia cabinet would betray him the very moment they think can succeed.
Do you think he'll pick a HF or PP Mafia cabinet? I can't see him picking anyone other than someone he can expect absolute loyalty from.
Of course he’d only going to pick a cabinet 100% loyal to him (not the country or the Constitution, mind you). That’s been his MO forever.
It’s why this talk of Vance taking over is lunacy. Vance isn’t using Trump (although that idiot probably thinks he is); it’s the other way around!
He picked Vance because Thiel and Musk and others told him to, not because he identified Vance as most loyal. He'll pick his cabinet the same way. He may think they're loyal because that's what he's being told. But they'll be PPM guys.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
That part is the billionaire Tech Bro club he desperately wants to be a part of. After all, he is best at cyber. And being a bigoted slumlord, Heritage Foundation is natural fit for him.
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:56 pm
That idea is going like wildfire on the social medias. I keep questioning how it will work and never get a solid answer.
I believe normally Congress would need to declare the President unfit for office by a 2/3rd majority vote. However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment allows the Vice President and the Cabinet to jointly agree the President is unfit for office.
That's my point. I don't see how 2/3rds of Congress or Trump's hand-picked cabinet would betray him.
I can see how his Heritage Foundation and Paypal Mafia cabinet would betray him the very moment they think can succeed.
Do you think he'll pick a HF or PP Mafia cabinet? I can't see him picking anyone other than someone he can expect absolute loyalty from.
Of course he’d only going to pick a cabinet 100% loyal to him (not the country or the Constitution, mind you). That’s been his MO forever.
It’s why this talk of Vance taking over is lunacy. Vance isn’t using Trump (although that idiot probably thinks he is); it’s the other way around!
He picked Vance because Thiel and Musk and others told him to, not because he identified Vance as most loyal. He'll pick his cabinet the same way. He may think they're loyal because that's what he's being told. But they'll be PPM guys.
Where are you getting this? [not a snarky response; a serious question]
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I think I've given up on waiting for Trump doing or saying anything that would derail his campaign. He's running on a platform of positive taxation now.
The only thing that matters is Dems getting enough people out.
raydude wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:51 am
The look on that lady's face when he says "Ashli Babbitt was killed, noboday was killed" is priceless.
Just saw that too.
What a wonderful question to throw at Trump - and watch him squirm. I also loved how the questioners face briefly contorted when Trump started to talk about the size of the crowd he spoke to on Jan 6th being so big. (Trump caught himself and dropped that, but you could tell the questioner didn't miss it.)
So when he was POTUS and trying to keep interest rates at 0ish with banks keeping all of the profits well past the expiration date of the banking collapse (I actually blame some of this on Obama's admin doing the same but another story...) with none dare call it QE four years it was the best economy ever? But now low interest rates are the economy is not good? What a POtuS
stessier wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:33 pm
I'm confused - administrations don't control interest rates.
Federal Reserve Chairman (2018–present) On November 2, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated Powell to serve as the chair of the Federal Reserve, replacing Janet Yellen at the helm of the central bank.
stessier wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:33 pm
I'm confused - administrations don't control interest rates.
Federal Reserve Chairman (2018–present) On November 2, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated Powell to serve as the chair of the Federal Reserve, replacing Janet Yellen at the helm of the central bank.
stessier wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:33 pm
I'm confused - administrations don't control interest rates.
Federal Reserve Chairman (2018–present) On November 2, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated Powell to serve as the chair of the Federal Reserve, replacing Janet Yellen at the helm of the central bank.
"If you're a registered Pennsylvania voter, you & whoever referred you will now get $100 for signing our petition in support of free speech & right to bear arms. Earn money for supporting something you already believe in," the SpaceX CEO wrote to his more than 200 million followers on X, formerly Twitter.
Musk linked to America PAC, a political action organization he founded in support of Trump's presidential campaign.
I'd say take the PACs money if you live in one of the states but don't, because you'll be on their contact list.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
"If you're a registered Pennsylvania voter, you & whoever referred you will now get $100 for signing our petition in support of free speech & right to bear arms. Earn money for supporting something you already believe in," the SpaceX CEO wrote to his more than 200 million followers on X, formerly Twitter.
Musk linked to America PAC, a political action organization he founded in support of Trump's presidential campaign.
I'd say take the PACs money if you live in one of the states but don't, because you'll be on their contact list.
bureaucratic snafus means you don't get your money. Whoops, sorry. But at least we have your contact information to tell you about the next great offer.
Plus, buying signatures? Eww. Capitalism and democracy. A match made in hell. Everyone knows you buy votes with political favours, not money.
GreenGoo wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:10 am
bureaucratic snafus means you don't get your money. Whoops, sorry. But at least we have your contact information to tell you about the next great offer.
Plus, buying signatures? Eww. Capitalism and democracy. A match made in hell. Everyone knows you buy votes with political favours, not money.
I feel like not getting one's money would lead to claims of false advertising. Which, if you gather enough people who claim they didn't get their $100 would be good enough for a lawyer to sue? But I'm not a lawyer so I wouldn't know if this is how it would go.
Well sure, in the old world where people are held accountable. A class action lawsuit is a lot of work only to be settled for a fraction of the actual missed payments, and that's after everyone's time and money has been wasted pursuing it.
The bottom line here is that drumpf et co. are constantly bilking, skimming, scamming, defrauding and just refusing to pay what they legally owe. There are whole cities that are still owed money for security and infrastructure for rallies the drumpf campaign has simply not paid. Who knows about the legal intricacies of buying signatures on a piece of paper (yes, I realize they are not actual signatures on actual paper).
So yes, in a reasonable world with common sense ruling the day, they couldn't get away with simply not paying. I have zero confidence that we still live in that world.
I can imagine not getting my $100 before voting and then voting for the OTHER because my face was getting eaten. If the promise was to pay me after the election, then but I suppose PT Barnum...
LordMortis wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:16 am
I can imagine not getting my $100 before voting and then voting for the OTHER because my face was getting eaten. If the promise was to pay me after the election, then but I suppose PT Barnum...
They are paying the $100 for signing a petition, not voting.
but I suppose PT Barnum...