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Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:09 pm**

LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:04 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:54 pm Do you think he'll pick a HF or PP Mafia cabinet? I can't see him picking anyone other than someone he can expect absolute loyalty from.
He's already promised Musk a position "as efficiency czar" and has been choosing from the HF and PP field as his advisors in a growing capacity since 2016. He is either getting loyalty or behind the scenes kickbacks.

OtOH, I don't see them betraying him unless they know they can do it safely. They will just continue to lay groundwork for their style of "technocracy" with them as the Plato Golden bloods until they know they're safe.

Edit: Damn you new page!

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:37 pm**

Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:17 pm I don’t recall any rules such as this here.

To be fair, we haven't actually had 'rules' in a long time. When we did, posting excerpts with links rather than entire articles was absolutely one of them (I remember porting that part of them from the Gone Gold CoC.)

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm While BH's post could have been more tactful

If I was less than courteous, I apologize to Grifman. Probably a side effect of posting before the morning caffeine has entered my bloodstream. Not being overly blunt, in text or person, requires a conscious effort from me, and when I'm tired, I don't always notice that aspect of what I say (it's one of the reasons that in-person conversations are exhausting for me!)

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:54 pm**

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:37 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm While BH's post could have been more tactful
If I was less than courteous, I apologize to Grifman. Probably a side effect of posting before the morning caffeine has entered my bloodstream. Not being overly blunt, in text or person, requires a conscious effort from me, and when I'm tired, I don't always notice that aspect of what I say (it's one of the reasons that in-person conversations are exhausting for me!)

Knowing you, I didn't think you intended to be rude or denigrating, but I can also see how Grif might have taken it that way. These things happen.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:30 pm**

I'd be happy with a norm that very long quotes get spoilered. It's just easier on the ol' scrolling finger, especially after you've read the post once.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:44 pm**

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:37 pm
Grifman wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:17 pm I don’t recall any rules such as this here.
To be fair, we haven't actually had 'rules' in a long time. When we did, posting excerpts with links rather than entire articles was absolutely one of them (I remember porting that part of them from the Gone Gold CoC.)

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm While BH's post could have been more tactful
If I was less than courteous, I apologize to Grifman. Probably a side effect of posting before the morning caffeine has entered my bloodstream. Not being overly blunt, in text or person, requires a conscious effort from me, and when I'm tired, I don't always notice that aspect of what I say (it's one of the reasons that in-person conversations are exhausting for me!)

You weren’t rude, it just struck me wrong, and I didn’t think it necessary. I always post a link, the one time I don’t because I don’t really have a link (I don’t consider FB a good link and to be honest, since I saw it in the app, I don’t even know how to post such a link) and someone doesn’t ask why, but assumes I, a long time poster, just doesn’t know what’s going on. Like I said, a PM would have been more appropriate. If I had done it several times, sure, but one time, give a guy a break. But no hard feelings towards BH or anyone else. Let’s move on and talk about Cheeto Man. I’m good.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:50 am**

I don’t think he got this guy’s vote back:

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:31 pm**

TFG was busy weaving to trifle with trying to get that guy's support back. People are saying the best weaver.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:57 pm**

Kurth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:58 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:54 pm
LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:28 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:14 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:05 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:56 pm That idea is going like wildfire on the social medias. I keep questioning how it will work and never get a solid answer.
I believe normally Congress would need to declare the President unfit for office by a 2/3rd majority vote. However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment allows the Vice President and the Cabinet to jointly agree the President is unfit for office.
That's my point. I don't see how 2/3rds of Congress or Trump's hand-picked cabinet would betray him.
I can see how his Heritage Foundation and Paypal Mafia cabinet would betray him the very moment they think can succeed.
Do you think he'll pick a HF or PP Mafia cabinet? I can't see him picking anyone other than someone he can expect absolute loyalty from.
Of course he’d only going to pick a cabinet 100% loyal to him (not the country or the Constitution, mind you). That’s been his MO forever.

It’s why this talk of Vance taking over is lunacy. Vance isn’t using Trump (although that idiot probably thinks he is); it’s the other way around!

He picked Vance because Thiel and Musk and others told him to, not because he identified Vance as most loyal. He'll pick his cabinet the same way. He may think they're loyal because that's what he's being told. But they'll be PPM guys.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:20 pm**

That part is the billionaire Tech Bro club he desperately wants to be a part of. After all, he is best at cyber. And being a bigoted slumlord, Heritage Foundation is natural fit for him.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:21 pm**

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:57 pm
Kurth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:58 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:54 pm
LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:28 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:14 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:05 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:56 pm That idea is going like wildfire on the social medias. I keep questioning how it will work and never get a solid answer.
I believe normally Congress would need to declare the President unfit for office by a 2/3rd majority vote. However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment allows the Vice President and the Cabinet to jointly agree the President is unfit for office.
That's my point. I don't see how 2/3rds of Congress or Trump's hand-picked cabinet would betray him.
I can see how his Heritage Foundation and Paypal Mafia cabinet would betray him the very moment they think can succeed.
Do you think he'll pick a HF or PP Mafia cabinet? I can't see him picking anyone other than someone he can expect absolute loyalty from.
Of course he’d only going to pick a cabinet 100% loyal to him (not the country or the Constitution, mind you). That’s been his MO forever.

It’s why this talk of Vance taking over is lunacy. Vance isn’t using Trump (although that idiot probably thinks he is); it’s the other way around!
He picked Vance because Thiel and Musk and others told him to, not because he identified Vance as most loyal. He'll pick his cabinet the same way. He may think they're loyal because that's what he's being told. But they'll be PPM guys.

Where are you getting this? [not a snarky response; a serious question]

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:26 pm**

Read up in horror, if you'd like.

There is absolutely a push happening with all the tech-bros to usher in Project 2025.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:22 pm**

hepcat wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:51 am Let's talk about the Trump Bible he was hawking not that long ago.

First off, they're made in China. They cost 3 dollars to make and they were being sold for 60 bucks a pop.

Then, all around scumbag Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters tried to make the Trump branded bible the only bible that could be purchased for his initiative to turn his state into one that hates jews, muslims, or anyone else who isn't a god fearing christian and supporter of Trump. After this was revealed though, he was forced to change the requirements.

Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate

More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula. The lawsuit, Rev. Lori Walke v. Ryan Walters, also asks the court to stop the state from spending millions of taxpayer dollars on Bibles to support the mandate.

The 32 plaintiffs include 14 public school parents, four public school teachers and three faith leaders who object to Walters’ extremist agenda that imposes his personal religious beliefs on other people’s children – in violation of Oklahomans’ religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The plaintiffs come from a variety of faith traditions, including Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian (U.S.A.) and United Church of Christ, and some identify as atheist, agnostic or nonreligious. Some are of Indigenous heritage, and some have family situations – such as LGBTQ+ members or children with special educational needs – that cause particular concerns around teaching the Bible in public schools, especially around bullying.

The plaintiffs are represented by Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Oklahoma Foundation, the Freedom From Religion Foundation and Oklahoma Appleseed Center for Law & Justice.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:25 pm**

Those godless heathens need some Trump in their lives!

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:47 pm**

I think I've given up on waiting for Trump doing or saying anything that would derail his campaign. He's running on a platform of positive taxation now.

The only thing that matters is Dems getting enough people out.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:01 pm**

Alefroth wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:47 pm The only thing that matters is Dems getting enough people out.

Word

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:01 pm**

Only four more days...

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:59 pm**

Grifman wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:50 am I don’t think he got this guy’s vote back:

The look he gives when DonOld says, "...it was a day of love," says it all.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:51 am**

Jaymann wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:59 pm
Grifman wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:50 am I don’t think he got this guy’s vote back:

The look he gives when DonOld says, "...it was a day of love," says it all.

The look on that lady's face when he says "Ashli Babbitt was killed, noboday was killed" is priceless.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:11 am**

raydude wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:51 am The look on that lady's face when he says "Ashli Babbitt was killed, noboday was killed" is priceless.

Just saw that too.

What a wonderful question to throw at Trump - and watch him squirm. I also loved how the questioners face briefly contorted when Trump started to talk about the size of the crowd he spoke to on Jan 6th being so big. (Trump caught himself and dropped that, but you could tell the questioner didn't miss it.)

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:38 am**

"It was a day of love...a love expressed perfectly by the guy who tried to take a shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk."

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:48 pm**

This is an hilariously stupid answer:

I couldn’t stop laughing.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:05 pm**

So when he was POTUS and trying to keep interest rates at 0ish with banks keeping all of the profits well past the expiration date of the banking collapse (I actually blame some of this on Obama's admin doing the same but another story...) with none dare call it QE four years it was the best economy ever? But now low interest rates are the economy is not good? What a POtuS

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:33 pm**

I'm confused - administrations don't control interest rates.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:44 pm**

stessier wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:33 pm I'm confused - administrations don't control interest rates.

Federal Reserve Chairman (2018–present) On November 2, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated Powell to serve as the chair of the Federal Reserve, replacing Janet Yellen at the helm of the central bank.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:55 pm**

LordMortis wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:44 pm
stessier wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:33 pm I'm confused - administrations don't control interest rates.

Federal Reserve Chairman (2018–present) On November 2, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated Powell to serve as the chair of the Federal Reserve, replacing Janet Yellen at the helm of the central bank.

That is far from controlling interest rates.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:01 pm**

Kind of short on detail how he's going to reduce energy bills by 50%.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:04 pm**

Alefroth wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:01 pm Kind of short on detail how he's going to reduce energy bills by 50%.

That's right! The public DEMANDS detailed policy plans...oh wait.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:08 pm**

stessier wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:55 pm
LordMortis wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:44 pm
stessier wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:33 pm I'm confused - administrations don't control interest rates.

Federal Reserve Chairman (2018–present) On November 2, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated Powell to serve as the chair of the Federal Reserve, replacing Janet Yellen at the helm of the central bank.

That is far from controlling interest rates.

How does POTUS figure in to overturning RvW?

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:09 pm**

Alefroth wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:01 pm Kind of short on detail how he's going to reduce energy bills by 50%.

Tariffs!

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:13 pm**

Alefroth wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:01 pm Kind of short on detail how he's going to reduce energy bills by 50%.

By lowering energy!

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:14 pm**

...and employing underpants gnomes!

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:13 pm**

Elon Musk is offering $100 to registered voters in Pennsylvania to sign a pro-Donald Trump petition.

"If you're a registered Pennsylvania voter, you & whoever referred you will now get $100 for signing our petition in support of free speech & right to bear arms. Earn money for supporting something you already believe in," the SpaceX CEO wrote to his more than 200 million followers on X, formerly Twitter.

Musk linked to America PAC, a political action organization he founded in support of Trump's presidential campaign.

I'd say take the PACs money if you live in one of the states but don't, because you'll be on their contact list.

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:23 pm**

Posted: **Fri Oct 18, 2024 9:33 pm**

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:13 pm
Elon Musk is offering $100 to registered voters in Pennsylvania to sign a pro-Donald Trump petition.

"If you're a registered Pennsylvania voter, you & whoever referred you will now get $100 for signing our petition in support of free speech & right to bear arms. Earn money for supporting something you already believe in," the SpaceX CEO wrote to his more than 200 million followers on X, formerly Twitter.

Musk linked to America PAC, a political action organization he founded in support of Trump's presidential campaign.
I'd say take the PACs money if you live in one of the states but don't, because you'll be on their contact list.

If you have a fake ID take the money.

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:10 am**

bureaucratic snafus means you don't get your money. Whoops, sorry. But at least we have your contact information to tell you about the next great offer.

Plus, buying signatures? Eww. Capitalism and democracy. A match made in hell. Everyone knows you buy votes with political favours, not money.

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:41 am**

GreenGoo wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:10 am bureaucratic snafus means you don't get your money. Whoops, sorry. But at least we have your contact information to tell you about the next great offer.

Plus, buying signatures? Eww. Capitalism and democracy. A match made in hell. Everyone knows you buy votes with political favours, not money.

I feel like not getting one's money would lead to claims of false advertising. Which, if you gather enough people who claim they didn't get their $100 would be good enough for a lawyer to sue? But I'm not a lawyer so I wouldn't know if this is how it would go.

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:52 am**

Well sure, in the old world where people are held accountable. A class action lawsuit is a lot of work only to be settled for a fraction of the actual missed payments, and that's after everyone's time and money has been wasted pursuing it.

The bottom line here is that drumpf et co. are constantly bilking, skimming, scamming, defrauding and just refusing to pay what they legally owe. There are whole cities that are still owed money for security and infrastructure for rallies the drumpf campaign has simply not paid. Who knows about the legal intricacies of buying signatures on a piece of paper (yes, I realize they are not actual signatures on actual paper).

So yes, in a reasonable world with common sense ruling the day, they couldn't get away with simply not paying. I have zero confidence that we still live in that world.

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:16 am**

I can imagine not getting my $100 before voting and then voting for the OTHER because my face was getting eaten. If the promise was to pay me after the election, then

but I suppose PT Barnum...

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:11 pm**

LordMortis wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:16 am I can imagine not getting my $100 before voting and then voting for the OTHER because my face was getting eaten. If the promise was to pay me after the election, then but I suppose PT Barnum...

They are paying the $100 for signing a petition, not voting.

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:30 pm**

Just a hundie? You can get more from Musk by simply promising not to track his plane.

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