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LawBeefaroni wrote:When people are buying up SUVs at premium prices because gas is cheap, that's the time to buy efficient cars at a discount. When people are buying up EVs/hybrids because gas is expensive and everyone is unloading SUVs for a loss, take advantage.
Kinda like stocks.

That's why I need to figure out when to get in on the 3D printer market. I was talking to a friend a couple weeks back who has two of them and he says there will be no standard until all of the patents are done. The big one had yet to hit the market and be produced in a competitive environment. He believes the eventual standard for 3D printing will be the dust based printers and that's what he's waiting for even though he has to already.
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For these precious few moment my IRA from 2014 and 2015 is even!
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I am getting the sense you might be watching your investments a wee bit too closely! :P
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Go Ford, go!!!!
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Holy hell do Scottrade require you to go through a lot more paper work for an individual account than they do for and IRA. I didn't even ask for the super duper options and short sale and other doodads permissions.
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Do I have the magic touch or what?

Should I warn ally'all every time right before I attempt to build something toward the idea of retirement?
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Hello everyone! I am excited to be in the Conclave. Not sure if there's some ritual invocation I should be doing right now.

Anyhow, my main question is this: I'm looking at my retirement account (IRA) allocations. I am 34, so I plan on retiring (or at least, being ready to retire) in about 30 years.

My main approach so far has been to put money into broad index funds (mainly S&P 500 index funds). The plan is to basically leave them there for a long time (at least 10 - 20 years) before gradually shifting them to areas of less short-term risk as retirement approaches. My general understanding is that this is retirement investment common wisdom.

Is that about right? Am I missing anything? What else should I be factoring into account?
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Throwing this out there.

I recently embezzled several hundred thousand from Canadian tax payers. I'm open to ideas as to what to do with it, after it has been suitably washed of course. I'm 20 years from retirement, give or take.

options:

a) build second story on my bungalow.
b) renovate the shit out of my bungalow (built in the 60's, almost nothing done to it in the mean time)
c) pay off mortgage (current rate is 2.65% I think)
d) Sell house, buy bigger house
e) drop it in aggressive equity funds for 10+ years (which?)
f) drop it in index tracking funds for 10+ years (which?)
g) drop it in dividend paying funds for 10+ years
h) drop it in real estate funds for 10+ years
i) buy a couple of shares of google
j) insanely expensive family vacations for the next few years
k) hookers and blow
l) Anything else you guys can think of


edit: Had added financial information in the hopes it would help with suggestions, but I realize I am uncomfortable with this being on the internet so I'm pulling it.

Happy to hear suggestions. I would be willing to risk some of it, but I'd need to hedge pretty heavily before I'd feel comfortable.
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El Guapo wrote: My main approach so far has been to put money into broad index funds (mainly S&P 500 index funds). The plan is to basically leave them there for a long time (at least 10 - 20 years) before gradually shifting them to areas of less short-term risk as retirement approaches. My general understanding is that this is retirement investment common wisdom.
That is my understanding, although in the 90's it was all about equity funds, so things obviously change. My question which is basically the same as yours is, has anything changed? Index funds then safer income funds/devices as retirement approaches?
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El Guapo wrote:What else should I be factoring into account?

Whatever I do, do the opposite.
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Random investing thought of the day: We are currently in the 4th longest bull market in history (6 years), for what it's worth (not much really IMHO).

Typical bull market run = 3.8 years
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Carpet_pissr wrote:Random investing thought of the day: We are currently in the 4th longest bull market in history (6 years), for what it's worth (not much really IMHO).

Typical bull market run = 3.8 years
Perfect time to get in. That's it, I'm shorting the US!

Also, the IMF seems to think our (Canada's) housing market is overheated and is expecting an adjustment. I'm in the Ottawa area. From what I've been reading, only some localized markets are out of control. Vancouver, Toronto and maybe Montreal? They are still building here in Ottawa and they seem to be selling so demand seems to be there.

Canada's economy is taking a hit with the drop in oil prices. How much is still to be determined.
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El Guapo wrote:Hello everyone! I am excited to be in the Conclave. Not sure if there's some ritual invocation I should be doing right now.

Anyhow, my main question is this: I'm looking at my retirement account (IRA) allocations. I am 34, so I plan on retiring (or at least, being ready to retire) in about 30 years.

My main approach so far has been to put money into broad index funds (mainly S&P 500 index funds). The plan is to basically leave them there for a long time (at least 10 - 20 years) before gradually shifting them to areas of less short-term risk as retirement approaches. My general understanding is that this is retirement investment common wisdom.

Is that about right? Am I missing anything? What else should I be factoring into account?
Perfect. That's all you should be doing. If you can do an equal weight fund (1/500th of each company) rather than a capital weighted fund (more of big companies; less of the small companies), you will likely do slightly better.
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GreenGoo wrote:
El Guapo wrote: My main approach so far has been to put money into broad index funds (mainly S&P 500 index funds). The plan is to basically leave them there for a long time (at least 10 - 20 years) before gradually shifting them to areas of less short-term risk as retirement approaches. My general understanding is that this is retirement investment common wisdom.
That is my understanding, although in the 90's it was all about equity funds, so things obviously change. My question which is basically the same as yours is, has anything changed? Index funds then safer income funds/devices as retirement approaches?
Income funds (assuming you mean bonds) aren't all that safe, especially with the increase in life expectancy. Even assuming you retire at 70 and only live until 80, that's nearly two full business cycles, and in bonds you're prey to inflation. Equities, while not immune, are less susceptible.
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noxiousdog wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Hello everyone! I am excited to be in the Conclave. Not sure if there's some ritual invocation I should be doing right now.

Anyhow, my main question is this: I'm looking at my retirement account (IRA) allocations. I am 34, so I plan on retiring (or at least, being ready to retire) in about 30 years.

My main approach so far has been to put money into broad index funds (mainly S&P 500 index funds). The plan is to basically leave them there for a long time (at least 10 - 20 years) before gradually shifting them to areas of less short-term risk as retirement approaches. My general understanding is that this is retirement investment common wisdom.

Is that about right? Am I missing anything? What else should I be factoring into account?
Perfect. That's all you should be doing. If you can do an equal weight fund (1/500th of each company) rather than a capital weighted fund (more of big companies; less of the small companies), you will likely do slightly better.
Shucks.

Thanks for the tip.
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noxiousdog wrote: Income funds (assuming you mean bonds) aren't all that safe, especially with the increase in life expectancy. Even assuming you retire at 70 and only live until 80, that's nearly two full business cycles, and in bonds you're prey to inflation. Equities, while not immune, are less susceptible.
Right, but assuming you're not going to pull everything out on the day you retire, aren't bonds and t-bills and such going to have a far shallower downside if things go south right before (or after) you retire? Sure, inflation can eat away at your buying power but that's true of everything (like you said) but having the stock market bottom out right when you need to liquidate is going to be more painful, no?

When El Guapo mentions moving to less short term risk vehicles, what falls into this category?

I'm listening. I don't *know* anything. I just have vague ideas based on reading a little a long time ago.

Are you suggesting equities all the way down?

Is there a particular index fund or market fund that you guys like or recommend over other, similar products?

Is there any reason to hedge if you're in it for the long term? Mostly equity with some income or dividend? All equity? All index (still equity but not managed I guess?).
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Other topic of inquiry: what are the best vehicles for investing money to save for college? My plan thus far has been to put a woefully inadequate amount of money into 529 accounts. Aside from hoping that "woefully inadequate" magically turns into "way more than needed", are there other savings / investment vehicles that I should be looking at for this?

Also, I have this sinking suspicion that colleges are just going to take any college savings and reduce grant money accordingly, so that investment wise I would be better off spending it on video games.
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GreenGoo wrote:
noxiousdog wrote: Income funds (assuming you mean bonds) aren't all that safe, especially with the increase in life expectancy. Even assuming you retire at 70 and only live until 80, that's nearly two full business cycles, and in bonds you're prey to inflation. Equities, while not immune, are less susceptible.
Right, but assuming you're not going to pull everything out on the day you retire, aren't bonds and t-bills and such going to have a far shallower downside if things go south right before (or after) you retire? Sure, inflation can eat away at your buying power but that's true of everything (like you said) but having the stock market bottom out right when you need to liquidate is going to be more painful, no?

When El Guapo mentions moving to less short term risk vehicles, what falls into this category?

I'm listening. I don't *know* anything. I just have vague ideas based on reading a little a long time ago.

Are you suggesting equities all the way down?

Is there a particular index fund or market fund that you guys like or recommend over other, similar products?

Is there any reason to hedge if you're in it for the long term? Mostly equity with some income or dividend? All equity? All index (still equity but not managed I guess?).
No. If you hold bonds to maturity, that might be the case, but rarely does anyone in our investor class do that. Even in that situation, you have to hold it to maturity. Otherwise, bonds trade just like stocks. When interest rates go down, the bond price goes up; when interest rates rise, the bond price goes up. Often substantially, and if the company is in danger, it's even more extreme.

For laymen who have no interest in anything other than a good savings plan, I suggest 6-12 months living expenses in cash or equivalents (cds, savings bonds, t-bills) and the rest in a broad market, low cost, equity index fund.

All s&P 500 index funds should be fairly identical so pick the one with the lowest cost. If you can buy in big chunks (you'd have to do the transaction cost math), RSP is a good equal weight ETF. VFINX is a good cap weighted fund.

I personally do some hedging with re-balancing. I keep distinct percentages of my money in bonds, real estate, domestic equities, foreign (equities/bonds), cash, and speculation. When one is out of whack, I take money and put it in one of the other classes, the theory being that the one out of favor will eventually be back in favor eventually. I do not have any hard metrics saying whether it works or not. Soft metrics implies that it does.
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El Guapo wrote:Other topic of inquiry: what are the best vehicles for investing money to save for college? My plan thus far has been to put a woefully inadequate amount of money into 529 accounts. Aside from hoping that "woefully inadequate" magically turns into "way more than needed", are there other savings / investment vehicles that I should be looking at for this?

Also, I have this sinking suspicion that colleges are just going to take any college savings and reduce grant money accordingly, so that investment wise I would be better off spending it on video games.
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That's my plan anyway. I do have Coverdells for ours, but who knows how well it will work. With that state school situation here and the lessening of value of bachelors degrees, we are probably going to encourage our kids to do community college for two years and then transfer. Due to state law, all the courses transfer, it's easier to get into the state school of your choice as a transfer student, you get smaller classes, they are more likely to be taught by a professor, and it's dramatically cheaper. The metrics say Texas CC transfers to full universities do better than kids who start at university, though I suspect a large amount of survivor bias in that.
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noxiousdog wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Other topic of inquiry: what are the best vehicles for investing money to save for college? My plan thus far has been to put a woefully inadequate amount of money into 529 accounts. Aside from hoping that "woefully inadequate" magically turns into "way more than needed", are there other savings / investment vehicles that I should be looking at for this?

Also, I have this sinking suspicion that colleges are just going to take any college savings and reduce grant money accordingly, so that investment wise I would be better off spending it on video games.
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That's my plan anyway. I do have Coverdells for ours, but who knows how well it will work. With that state school situation here and the lessening of value of bachelors degrees, we are probably going to encourage our kids to do community college for two years and then transfer. Due to state law, all the courses transfer, it's easier to get into the state school of your choice as a transfer student, you get smaller classes, they are more likely to be taught by a professor, and it's dramatically cheaper. The metrics say Texas CC transfers to full universities do better than kids who start at university, though I suspect a large amount of survivor bias in that.
I suppose my other plan is to focus efforts on getting them to excel in pre-college schooling and have them apply to a couple dozen colleges, figuring they'll get a great scholarship from at least one.
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noxiousdog wrote: No. If you hold bonds to maturity, that might be the case, but rarely does anyone in our investor class do that. Even in that situation, you have to hold it to maturity. Otherwise, bonds trade just like stocks. When interest rates go down, the bond price goes up; when interest rates rise, the bond price goes up. Often substantially, and if the company is in danger, it's even more extreme.
Actually I knew all that but completely muddled my remembering. I don't mean to sound like I didn't need to be told, because I did. Thanks for clarifying. Bonds typically work in inverse to equity is what I recall.
noxiousdog wrote: For laymen who have no interest in anything other than a good savings plan, I suggest 6-12 months living expenses in cash or equivalents (cds, savings bonds, t-bills) and the rest in a broad market, low cost, equity index fund.

All s&P 500 index funds should be fairly identical so pick the one with the lowest cost. If you can buy in big chunks (you'd have to do the transaction cost math), RSP is a good equal weight ETF. VFINX is a good cap weighted fund.

I personally do some hedging with re-balancing. I keep distinct percentages of my money in bonds, real estate, domestic equities, foreign (equities/bonds), cash, and speculation. When one is out of whack, I take money and put it in one of the other classes, the theory being that the one out of favor will eventually be back in favor eventually. I do not have any hard metrics saying whether it works or not. Soft metrics implies that it does.
Thanks! Is S&P the way to go or is that simply your preference, or both?

When you say real estate, are you holding actual real estate (with deeds), or mortgage funds or something similar?

Since most of my investing will be long term, I don't feel a huge need to hedge right now, even if it might give me slightly better returns if I were to actively manage. I'm definitely a fire and forget investor, unless I'm just playing. As I get closer to retirement, then I'll start getting antsy about hedging and diversification, I think.

In Canada we have RESPs (registered education saving plan) and the government kicks in 20% up to a certain amount (not a huge amount, but 20%!). The kicker is that if none of my children use it for education then the government claws a whole crapload back. With 3 kids I'm doing a family plan which allows the kids to withdraw the money in any % they want as long as it's used for recognized educational expenses. i.e. one kid can use 97% of it, another 3% and the third 0%, or any other combination. We also have individual plans but they can't be shared so it seemed too restrictive.

My "plan" (which is more of a vague thought than a plan) was to have about $20k per kid. I figure that might be able to cover the first 2 years (without housing) and if they want to finish they are going to have to save some of their own money. I'm sure I will be willing to negotiate when the time comes, but I want them to spend some of their own money so they appreciate what's involved in getting an education and take it seriously.
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GreenGoo wrote: Actually I knew all that but completely muddled my remembering. I don't mean to sound like I didn't need to be told, because I did. Thanks for clarifying. Bonds typically work in inverse to equity is what I recall.
On the aggregate, they kinda work inverse. Unfortunately, in a crisis, they often react worse than equity, due to the expiration on them. Many are not secured by company assets.
Thanks! Is S&P the way to go or is that simply your preference, or both?
It's my preference because it's broad market, mostly stable companies, and very liquid.
When you say real estate, are you holding actual real estate (with deeds), or mortgage funds or something similar?
Public REITS. Real Estate Investment Trusts. Stay away from private REITS.
Since most of my investing will be long term, I don't feel a huge need to hedge right now, even if it might give me slightly better returns if I were to actively manage. I'm definitely a fire and forget investor, unless I'm just playing. As I get closer to retirement, then I'll start getting antsy about hedging and diversification, I think.
I don't do it for downside protection, as much as looking for buying opportunities. It also makes me consider what I feel to be the most overvalued and undervalued assets.
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noxiousdog wrote: I don't do it for downside protection, as much as looking for buying opportunities. It also makes me consider what I feel to be the most overvalued and undervalued assets.
Thanks again.

If you're buying funds, what would you use as a "buying" opportunity? I'm asking because watching a stock is one thing, but a fund is typically very broad (as you say). Are you looking for the market to be undervalued or overvalued as a whole?

How would you approach income funds? REITs (presumably these are not localized markets?)?
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Maybe you should have bought GM?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sens ... dle-class/

I don't get the problem with buying back stock (or paying shareholders) so the piece has me a bit befuddled (beyond GM taking a bailout and then buying stock back) but it's still interesting to me. I had no idea so much stock was being bought back by companies. I assumed it was the other way around. They keep releasing more and more.
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GreenGoo wrote:
Thanks again.

If you're buying funds, what would you use as a "buying" opportunity? I'm asking because watching a stock is one thing, but a fund is typically very broad (as you say). Are you looking for the market to be undervalued or overvalued as a whole?
Purchasing to me is more about income stream, than opportunity. When my "cash" is too much, I buy. This can happen because my overall equities value falls, or because my cash has risen. Dollar cost averaging is just as reasonable though.
How would you approach income funds?
My person feeling, and this is backed by nothing but intuition, is I look for a sector fund with a long (at least 5 years, preferably 10) tenured manager and then compare all of them against each other. Buy the one with the best performance. It's very possible that they are only on the top of that list based on a couple of lucky picks.

REITs (presumably these are not localized markets?)?
No. Typically the big boys. KIM, AVB, SPG, PSA, etc. Most of those I get from the Motley Fool REIT message board. There are tracking indexes for the whole industry too.
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LordMortis wrote:Maybe you should have bought GM?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sens ... dle-class/

I don't get the problem with buying back stock (or paying shareholders) so the piece has me a bit befuddled (beyond GM taking a bailout and then buying stock back) but it's still interesting to me. I had no idea so much stock was being bought back by companies. I assumed it was the other way around. They keep releasing more and more.
He's totally making dependent two independent items. I think he's also over simplifying.

On stock buybacks, those can be either positive or negative and can either add shareholder value or subtract from it.

There is some mythical Enterprise Value for every company. I say mythical because everyone has their own number. Theoretically these converge on the actual stock price. I think while it makes a lot of sense in an academic paper, When that company is selling for less than EV, stock buybacks are positive. When that company is selling for more than EV, buybacks are a negative.

Example:
Company X has 100,000 shares. The stock price is $11, so the market cap is 1.1M. Our actual EV is 1M. If the company buys back shares, they are buying something that is 10% overvalued; turning a dollar into .91 cents. It LOOKS positive from the outside as earnings per share go up since there are few shares. It's an important distinction, though, that the stock price is arbitrary. It's like saying how much is a used car worth? The answer is "whatever someone will pay for it."
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El Guapo wrote:Other topic of inquiry: what are the best vehicles for investing money to save for college? My plan thus far has been to put a woefully inadequate amount of money into 529 accounts. Aside from hoping that "woefully inadequate" magically turns into "way more than needed", are there other savings / investment vehicles that I should be looking at for this?

Also, I have this sinking suspicion that colleges are just going to take any college savings and reduce grant money accordingly, so that investment wise I would be better off spending it on video games.
When I was looking, a 529 seemed to me to be the best option. I din't like Illinois' plan offerings so I just bought a bunch of Disney but I think I'm going to put some of that into a 529 soon. The best part is that they are transferable so should scholarships (or American Idol or whatever) obviate the need for 529 funds, you can use it on a sibling or send yourself to PGA school or something. Yeah, I met someone who used their scholarship-ed kid's 529 for golf school. I believe they can also be transferred to beneficiaries if they are never used (provided they remain as a 529 of course). It can become like a family education endowment.



My backup plan is to transfer over to the University side within 15 years and take advantage of the employee offspring tuition discount. Should knock it down to a mere $100K/year or so by then. :grund:
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Since it's about 10k a year right now depending on th program, my plan of paying for 2 years of education per kid times 3 kids is not realistic if I only hit 60k (which was my rough goal). Hmmm. I wonder what it's going to be in 10 years or so?

Subsidized education ftw. I'ts not free, but it's not freakin' 100k either.
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GreenGoo wrote:Subsidized education ftw. I'ts not free, but it's not freakin' 100k either.
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Clemson for a good but not great in-state student (1400ish SAT), top 10% of class, is about 12k/year, including room and board. That's without any need-based aid.
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PLW wrote:Clemson for a good but not great in-state student (1400ish SAT), top 10% of class, is about 12k/year, including room and board. That's without any need-based aid.
Here's the Big 10, without room/board. Now scoot forward 14 years (for me), keeping in mind that UIUC about that many years ago when I graduated was around $5k-$6k in-state.
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Zaxxon wrote:
PLW wrote:Clemson for a good but not great in-state student (1400ish SAT), top 10% of class, is about 12k/year, including room and board. That's without any need-based aid.
Here's the Big 10, without room/board. Now scoot forward 14 years (for me), keeping in mind that UIUC about that many years ago when I graduated was around $5k-$6k in-state.
Those number are really hard to compare, since I included room&board but subtracted for scholarships.
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Good lord. This does provide additional support for Isgrimnur's "move to Dallas" suggestion, seeing as how housing is not only infinitely cheaper, but then I could send the kiddos to UT Austin in-state.

Though I'd be implicitly trusting Texas to not slash UT funding sometime in the next 13+ years.
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As it's in the same city as the capital, slashing funding hits too close to home, as it were. Not to mention that the law school is top 20. I would imagine that a large percentage of the Texas legislature graduated from there in one capacity or another.
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Re: oil

XOM is 5% lower than when I sold. Just sayin'

More importantly, I talked to a couple commodity traders and they felt we'll see oil below $30 before we see it over $60, though it's likely to be a quick bounce.
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Right now the big thing causing a kefuffle with oil is the storage capacity. As refineries go offline for the spring retooling, Cushing (storage facility) is up around a historical high of 70% I think. It has never hit full capacity. If it does, all bets are off. Or so the experts say.

The funny thing about oil, no matter where it is, some experts always see some undeniable threat looming on the horizon that will drive prices up while others see some undeniable threat looming that will drive prices down.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:Right now the big thing causing a kefuffle with oil is the storage capacity. As refineries go offline for the spring retooling, Cushing (storage facility) is up around a historical high of 70% I think. It has never hit full capacity. If it does, all bets are off. Or so the experts say.

The funny thing about oil, no matter where it is, some experts always see some undeniable threat looming on the horizon that will drive prices up while others see some undeniable threat looming that will drive prices down.
That's exactly what the traders cited and they said it like it was a certainty.

On the plus side, they also said that modern drilling techniques have drastically cut the cost of drilling so most wells can still profitable under $30.
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What do we think about the strengthening dollar? I work for a multinational and have to say it's kind of a bummer at the moment.
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stessier wrote:What do we think about the strengthening dollar? I work for a multinational and have to say it's kind of a bummer at the moment.
It's good for people that are owed money on fixed contracts in dollars; it's bad for those that owe money on fixed contracts in dollars.

edit: my good/bad was reversed.
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