[WW] -The Pirates of the Flying Octopi - Pirates win

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:22 pm

Vorret wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: withdrawal Lagom Lite

Le me catch up.
You guys are so confusing.

The vote withdrawl is relatively meaningless. This entire post simply reads as "I'm busy right now but aware the game needs my attention" to me.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:28 pm

You would think so, but obviously RMC doesn't see it that way.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:45 pm

I have a feeling Scoop will stall the game and we'll end up doing a rushed vote and lynch the wrong person like we did with Tru1cy.

I may be wrong but it's not looking like a a general agreement.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:27 pm

Vorret wrote:I have a feeling Scoop will stall the game and we'll end up doing a rushed vote and lynch the wrong person like we did with Tru1cy.

I may be wrong but it's not looking like a a general agreement.

No, he will get through today and then we will lynch him if he continues to produce nothing. As it is he has checked in and told us he knows where we are at (were) and that he needs time to catch up. We have two days (RL) after today so we have time to re-evaluate should he prove less than we hope for.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:32 pm

Votes

Scoop (2) - Lagom Lite, Holman,
Vorret ( 1) - Remus West,
Lagom Lite (3) - Vorret, Lassr, RMC,

No Votes Cast - Mr. Bubbles, El Guapo, Scoop, Proner,

Majority is 6
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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:58 pm

I'm sorry to make everyone wait. I'm trying to catch up at work on my iPhone. Please give me until 6:15 pm to post. I have a kinda critical decision here.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:01 pm

Vorret wrote:I have a feeling Scoop will stall the game and we'll end up doing a rushed vote and lynch the wrong person like we did with Tru1cy.

I may be wrong but it's not looking like a a general agreement.

Wow! This!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:06 pm

Posting this before I head into my next meeting. For those trying to lay this bandwagon at my feet, this is a fabrication of events and is unhelpful to finding a wolf.

I'm in no rush to lynch anyone. I voted Lagom to start the process. Now we need a moment to consider his reaction and everyone else's reaction.

Lagom, please give us more to go on that one sentence. Right now you are kind of forcing us to test you.

Be back as soon as I can.

Love, Scoop!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:07 pm

And for those worried I will delay, know I will do a data dump by at least 10:00 pm eastern tonight. You will know everything I know regardless of a lynch decision.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:29 pm

Ok, back. What does everyone think of Lagom's response. Is this a wolf who figures a defense isn't worth his time.

He definitely didn't seem like a special.

Would a good player not even bother to claim innocence?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:32 pm

Vorret wrote:I have a feeling Scoop will stall the game and we'll end up doing a rushed vote and lynch the wrong person like we did with Tru1cy.

I may be wrong but it's not looking like a a general agreement.

Ok, Vorret, so I know who the wrong and right person to lynch now?

And how should I know? You try to say I'm stalling when I was the first to vote for him and everyone decided to join the vote rather quickly and without much discussion either. Right, I'm responsible for everyone else's vote. My powers are far reaching.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:34 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:I'm just a villager. Have fun dancing to Scoop's pipe.

Oops. My apologies. He did claim villager. The dancing comment just irked me a bit.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:39 pm

Remus West wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:I'm just a villager. Have fun dancing to Scoop's pipe.
That's all you have to add? No vote, no thoughts on who you think is the wolf?
He is already voting for Scoop.

BTW, if Scoop does not check in this evening (or before then) I will be voting for Scoop as well. I'm not going to wait until we get too close to the deadline to adjust as needs dictate.

Depending upon what Scoop has to say I'll vote Lagom due to his earlier oddities at the start of today.

Lassr, since I have you in my "probably good" category I'd like your opinion on this post by Remus.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:47 pm

Remus West wrote:I do like his play - depending on the follow through. If he disappears then it turns into a delaying tactic rather than an information grab.

Actually, since we are at this point (the vote being where it is) I may as well go ahead and say what I think his play is. I think he is the shooter and wanted a vote regarding who he will shoot today. That way we get to look at that vote as though it were an extra day's worth of information along with having him as a known. It only works if he acts soon enough for us to discuss the outcome though - him as known and the results of the shot as known.

You are going to be disappointed. I won't be taking a shot today.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:56 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, back. What does everyone think of Lagom's response. Is this a wolf who figures a defense isn't worth his time.

He definitely didn't seem like a special.

Would a good player not even bother to claim innocence?

I had Lagom on my List because of an interaction with Remus earlier but I can't recall right now what that was...or may be it was a lack of interaction. I'll have to go look.

His lack of posts though do not strike me as evil Lagom and his defense seems to be a villager that doesn't care if he dies. Still doesn't mean he's not a wolf though as we all know Lagom can be a tricky one.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:04 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:I'm just a villager. Have fun dancing to Scoop's pipe.
That's all you have to add? No vote, no thoughts on who you think is the wolf?
He is already voting for Scoop.

BTW, if Scoop does not check in this evening (or before then) I will be voting for Scoop as well. I'm not going to wait until we get too close to the deadline to adjust as needs dictate.

Depending upon what Scoop has to say I'll vote Lagom due to his earlier oddities at the start of today.
Lassr, since I have you in my "probably good" category I'd like your opinion on this post by Remus.

Well, you know how I feel about Remus so that will taint my perception.

It looked like he was posturing if the winds of change start blowing your direction or a preemptive strike if something you did went against him. To be in such favor of what he thought was your plan earlier, why rush you now when there was 2 days left.

I have not seen the Remus I expect searching for wolves. He seems to hang back, comment on something here and there, and create confusion by misinterpreting posts, particularly my posts from day 1. That is probably why it stands out to me so much because it was my post.

He is up to no good I tells ya!

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:08 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Vorret wrote:I have a feeling Scoop will stall the game and we'll end up doing a rushed vote and lynch the wrong person like we did with Tru1cy.

I may be wrong but it's not looking like a a general agreement.
Ok, Vorret, so I know who the wrong and right person to lynch now?

And how should I know? You try to say I'm stalling when I was the first to vote for him and everyone decided to join the vote rather quickly and without much discussion either. Right, I'm responsible for everyone else's vote. My powers are far reaching.

Nah, I didn't want to wait util the last day . It's nice to have a good discussion on who we're lynching and get some feedback from the person. So if we can get that done today/tomorrow we're not pressed and make a hasty decision. That's why. You have no more power than I do or anyone else for that matters since we have 0 info on anyone except ourselves and the dead.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:14 pm

Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, back. What does everyone think of Lagom's response. Is this a wolf who figures a defense isn't worth his time.

He definitely didn't seem like a special.

Would a good player not even bother to claim innocence?
I had Lagom on my List because of an interaction with Remus earlier but I can't recall right now what that was...or may be it was a lack of interaction. I'll have to go look.

His lack of posts though do not strike me as evil Lagom and his defense seems to be a villager that doesn't care if he dies. Still doesn't mean he's not a wolf though as we all know Lagom can be a tricky one.

after looking back at his posts, his switch from Remus to you earlier is what drew my attention. He seemed to be trying to insinuate that you were a wolf doing this but I felt you were not a wolf. At least you sure are acting like the good scoop. From what I've seen since then I'm not sure Lagom is a wolf though.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:01 pm

Yeah. Unfortunately, right now I kind of agree. Lagom didn't act too guilty.

Vorret on the other hand...

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:22 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Yeah. Unfortunately, right now I kind of agree. Lagom didn't act too guilty.

Vorret on the other hand...

So I just have to say I'm a simple villager and everything will be A1?
Way to turn this on me simply because I asked that we don't wait till the last minute to make a decision.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:25 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Vorret wrote:I have a feeling Scoop will stall the game and we'll end up doing a rushed vote and lynch the wrong person like we did with Tru1cy.

I may be wrong but it's not looking like a a general agreement.
Wow! This!

I got an issue with this Vorret. You seemed to jump to this conclusion pretty quickly. It felt like you were hoping to build up some backlash against me. It even felt like you, Remus and Bubbles were working together on this.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:26 pm

Vorret wrote:I have a feeling Scoop will stall the game and we'll end up doing a rushed vote and lynch the wrong person like we did with Tru1cy.

I may be wrong but it's not looking like a a general agreement.

This is what I meant to quote.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:34 pm

Well I have a precedent... last time you said you were gonna come back with more info you never did so yeah, I'm a bit worried.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:34 pm

I read and read, and I'm still left with the sense that Scoop is somehow trying to hide in plan sight. My vote stays on him.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:37 pm

Holman wrote:I read and read, and I'm still left with the sense that Scoop is somehow trying to hide in plan sight. My vote stays on him.

Well, you are still firmly in my "Leaning Good due to the Berserker Wolf Comments" category.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:42 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:Actually, let me put my money where my mouth is (is that the expression?).

wd Remus

Scoop

...until he explains himself, he's a wolf to me. I've been in several villages where wolves were sort of-semi-claiming a role to gain clot while not taking the risk of invoking a counter-claim by doing a hard claim. Hell, I've done it myself.

Here.

Lagom has been consistent his reaction matches what he said here. Not getting a wolfy vibe from him.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:45 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I'm pretty sure the shooter is alive.
How can you be "pretty sure"?
Because he's claiming to be the Seer. I've had my suspicions for a while but I'd rather he came straight out with it. Deadline is coming and there may be counter-claimers to wolf Scoop faker.

So, Lagom, no counters to ANYTHING I have said. Are you shocked?? Have you considered I have made no claims to counter? Thank, my good man. If someone countered me that would be quite idiotic on their part.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:55 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Scoop Notes - Ask for them by name

Unknown
2. Remus West
5. Mr. Bubbles
6. Lagom Lite
11. El Guapo
13. Vorret
14. Proner

Common Votes on both Lynchees
Lagom Lite
RMC
Proner
Holman

Avoided being on both lynch trains
Mr. Bubbles
El Guapo

EQUALS

Updated Unknown
5. Mr. Bubbles
6. Lagom Lite
11. El Guapo
14. Proner

Scoop-Notes - Ask for them by name.

As of 2/25/2013 10:37 pm (EST)

Leaning Good due to the Berserker Wolf Comments:
1. Lassr
7. RMC
8. Holman

Leaning Good due to saying the right things:
14. Proner (pr0ner's comments and reading of people's reactions have been dead on the last few days. He has questioned my moves the hardest but gave sound reasoning. If he is a wolf, he has me fooled.)

Following review of today's posts

Unknowns who trouble me greatly
2. Remus West (his play today has troubled me greatly. It felt like he was laying the ground work where if I didn't give an very specific response, he was going to push for my lynch).
5. Mr. Bubbles
11. El Guapo
13. Vorret (This guy gets added because he constant worrying about my vote and my role.)

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Vorret wrote:You read that wrong.
I know you've been voting for remus since this started, what I'm saying is the reason you just used is kinda crappy
the vote and comment were unrelated. I just did both in one post.

I think Remus is a wolf that caused a lot of confusion at the start of the game.

I think it is hard to find the other wolves because they are quiet.
What do you think then? Remus, Bubbles, and ??

If you ask me...

Remus, Bubbles, and Vorret

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:04 am

Ok, one last post ...

Guys, I'm no longer on the Lagom bandwagon (and I sincerely hope that was not a mistake).

Following the reactions by both Remus West and Vorret today to how I was handling things I really felt like they were trying to build consensus to run me up the flagpole. I felt like they were working together to put me in this situation if I didn't give Remus the reaction he expected.

And this was the play I expected from wolves. Sniping at me because I wasn't declaring and then comment how if I didn't make an announcement I was going to get their vote. Truly poor reasoning since I wasn't going anyway and I had said anything that hurt our chances of winning.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:13 am

Ok, since tomorrow is our final day to get this done then I need to make my position known.

Here is what started it:

Scoop20906 wrote:I'm pretty sure the shooter is alive.

Scoop20906 wrote:But I'd advise the shooter on holding off on shooting today.

Ok, strong words but signifying nothing.

To be clear: I AM NOT THE SHOOTER.

To be clear: I AM NOT THE VOYANT.

I have dumped all the data I have. I am naked before you all having given every bit of knowledge I possess. Judge me as you wish.

Lastly, I'm tempted to vote Vorret but truly if there is a ring leader of the wolves it would be Remus (provided I am right).

Remus West

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:14 am

I'm done for the night. I know tomorrow will be a mad scramble but I'm making sure everyone knows up front Remus is my test for today and since I am at work and cell reception is spotty I won't be joining into the discussion very much. Take this as my vote.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:46 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, one last post ...

Guys, I'm no longer on the Lagom bandwagon (and I sincerely hope that was not a mistake).

Following the reactions by both Remus West and Vorret today to how I was handling things I really felt like they were trying to build consensus to run me up the flagpole. I felt like they were working together to put me in this situation if I didn't give Remus the reaction he expected.

And this was the play I expected from wolves. Sniping at me because I wasn't declaring and then comment how if I didn't make an announcement I was going to get their vote. Truly poor reasoning since I wasn't going anyway and I had said anything that hurt our chances of winning.

I truly suck at reviewing my work. Updating that last sentence...

And this was the play I expected from wolves. Sniping at me because I wasn't declaring a role and then commenting how if I didn't make an announcement I was going to get their vote. Truly poor reasoning since I was not going anywhere and I had not said anything that hurt our chances of winning.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:49 am

Finally!

Remus West

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:57 am

/Shakes his head sadly at the two of you.
You really do not get it do you, Scoop? Of course I was looking for a specific reaction from you regarding a very specific role. I have almost nothing without it. I can not decide if you are evil or simply misguided that badly. I still think Lassr is simply misguided.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:40 am

Remus West wrote:/Shakes his head sadly at the two of you.
You really do not get it do you, Scoop? Of course I was looking for a specific reaction from you regarding a very specific role. I have almost nothing without it. I can not decide if you are evil or simply misguided that badly. I still think Lassr is simply misguided.

You've done nothing else but sit back and watch really.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:58 am

withdraw Scoop

Remus West

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:04 am

To elaborate, if only slightly, Scoop has now stated he isn't a special. I concede that it's possible that he's made this play as good, but it rubs me the wrong way. Still, the Scoop vote isn't going anywhere today, and Remus is my back up vote, but if Remus turns up good I'm going to go after Scoop like a hound tomorrow.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:54 am

If Remus is good we will be in a very bad position tomorrow.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:25 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:/Shakes his head sadly at the two of you.
You really do not get it do you, Scoop? Of course I was looking for a specific reaction from you regarding a very specific role. I have almost nothing without it. I can not decide if you are evil or simply misguided that badly. I still think Lassr is simply misguided.
You've done nothing else but sit back and watch really.

I'm sorry Scoop but maybe Remus didn't help much but you sadly didn't help much either.
You say you've given us more info than anyone else. Really? I must have missed that because your "info" is speculation as much as anyone else. What you've done on the other hand is create confusion with your little "I know the shooter is alive" - "I am not the shooter, nor the seer" which in my mind makes me go "uhh? How can he possibly know the shooter IS alive if he's not the shooter OR the seer?"

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one in this situation but if I was a wolf and wanted to confuse the hell out of everyone to make sure they have no idea who to vote for, I'd do exactly what you did.

Withdraw Lagom

Scoop