Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

[Defiant]

Ashamed and saddened that part of the Jewish community has fallen into the death cult idiocy.

Hundreds of members of Brooklyn's Orthodox community stormed the streets and synagogues of Borough Park on Tuesday night to protest new coronavirus restrictions imposed by Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Pledging "war" on officials and public health guidance, demonstrators clad in black religious garb set fires along 13th Avenue and tossed masks into the flames. They chased away NYC Sheriff's Deputies while shouting "Jewish Lives Matter," video shows, and attacked a photojournalist attempting to capture the scene.

Another Orthodox man, who'd opposed the anti-mask crowd, was deemed a "snitch" and reportedly hospitalized after a mob of protesters beat him with rocks. His brother, Mordy Getz, told Gothamist that he was "severely" injured and knocked unconscious, but was doing better as of Wednesday morning.

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[Paingod]

What bizarre behavior. "Jewish Lives Matter" is in direct conflict with "We demand COVID infections"

[Octavious]

That group in NYC has always been known to be a bit more on the crazypants side so I really don't find it all that shocking.

[malchior]

Ashamed and saddened that part of the Jewish community has fallen into the death cult idiocy.

Hundreds of members of Brooklyn's Orthodox community stormed the streets and synagogues of Borough Park on Tuesday night to protest new coronavirus restrictions imposed by Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Pledging "war" on officials and public health guidance, demonstrators clad in black religious garb set fires along 13th Avenue and tossed masks into the flames. They chased away NYC Sheriff's Deputies while shouting "Jewish Lives Matter," video shows, and attacked a photojournalist attempting to capture the scene.

Another Orthodox man, who'd opposed the anti-mask crowd, was deemed a "snitch" and reportedly hospitalized after a mob of protesters beat him with rocks. His brother, Mordy Getz, told Gothamist that he was "severely" injured and knocked unconscious, but was doing better as of Wednesday morning.

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That community in particular doesn't surprise me. They are good people but insular. The same thing is happening in Lakewood, NJ. I think those communities are taking the restrictions personally when in reality they just have more infection because of the recent holidays.

[Holman]

Something similar has been happening in Israel.

Police have been using Covid lockdown regulations as a pretext for cracking down hard on anti-Netanyahu protesters. They've all but ignored huge gatherings of ultra-Orthodox protesting the lockdown itself.

[Smoove_B]

This seems to be the path our daughter is on. She's working on her MPH degree (she entered the program with thoughts of epidemiology or women's health issues, and seems to be focusing on the later), and she's currently working on the No on (Colorado) Proposition 115 campaign, with a small group of volunteers organized below her. The ACLU has reached out to her after reading some of her writings, so she's enthused by a possibility of transitioning in that direction after the campaign is over.

That's really awesome. With a background (and skill) in epidemiology the world is her oyster. Doubly awesome that she's found a focus and a group that is looking for her skills. That's what's amazing to me about what is arguably one of the lowest points of American culture/society in the last 100+ years. Right now there are people thinking about or hearing about public health for the first time and making connections they never realized before. There are high school and college students suddenly interested in topics they'd never considered and I strongly suspect we're going to go through a public health boom when this is all over because of it. She's at a great place in history (even if it doesn't feel like it at the moment) because professionally I'm picking up on the tone that my national organizations are sending - change is coming.

[El Guapo]

Religious extremism / orthodoxy of all types tends to come into periodic conflict with rational thinking.

[Smoove_B]

I saw the NYC protests on my local news last night and it was a genuine WTF moment for me. Not so much the protesting but the waving of Trump signs. I'll fully admit ignorance on the details, but I was surprised to see support for Trump.

[El Guapo]

I saw the NYC protests on my local news last night and it was a genuine WTF moment for me. Not so much the protesting but the waving of Trump signs. I'll fully admit ignorance on the details, but I was surprised to see support for Trump.

There are 8 million people in NYC, and more in the area. A small minority of Trump supporters in NYC is still a fairly large group.

[Smoove_B]

There are 8 million people in NYC, and more in the area. A small minority of Trump supporters in NYC is still a fairly large group.

I get that, I just didn't think the Venn diagram of Orthodox Judaism and Trump Supporter would actually overlap. I mean, I didn't expect them to be carrying Biden/Harris signs, I was more surprised to see them carrying any type of political candidate signs at all. Again, it could be my general ignorance of the tenants of their belief, but i just didn't think they'd be Trump supporters.

Fun Smoove_B fact - many moons ago I was tasked with inspecting the kitchen of a famous Rabbinical college. It was easily Top 5 worst kitchens I've ever been in. Someday when I write a book, I am pretty sure I could flesh out an entire chapter. It was horrific!

[Holman]

The New York City neighborhoods that voted for Trump:



Different Orthodox Jewish sects in NYC vote differently, but the most conservative of them do a lot towards turning the red parts of Brooklyn red.

But obviously Staten Island needs to be hauled out to sea and sunk.

[Defiant]

There are 8 million people in NYC, and more in the area. A small minority of Trump supporters in NYC is still a fairly large group.

I get that, I just didn't think the Venn diagram of Orthodox Judaism and Trump Supporter would actually overlap. I mean, I didn't expect them to be carrying Biden/Harris signs, I was more surprised to see them carrying any type of political candidate signs at all. Again, it could be my general ignorance of the tenants of their belief, but i just didn't think they'd be Trump supporters.

Ultra-Orthodox lean conservative (Modern Orthodox, by comparison, I would describe as politically moderate). They have been persuadable in the past (Clinton got support of some of the Ultraorthodox communities during her Senate and Presidential runs by reaching out to them, IIRC).

That said, while they are insular, they have been having issues with anti-vaxxer propaganda getting through to them and spreading (which caused measles outbreaks), and I wouldn't be surprised if some other right-wing/trump propaganda has gotten through too. In addition, they feel personally attacked by the lockdowns when they ignored or were ignorant of the threat the virus posed, and they blame Democrats for that.

[RunningMn9]

Ashamed and saddened that part of the Jewish community has fallen into the death cult idiocy.

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I assume Twitter is all aflame with the President condemning this lawlessness, right?

[$iljanus]

Hey Trump, I guess these supporters weren't willing to stand down or stand by:

"Authorities in Michigan charged 13 men with a battery of terrorism and conspiracy charges on Thursday, revealing what they said were plans by anti-government extremists to storm the State Capitol building, initiate a civil war to cause society to crumble and kidnap the Michigan governor ahead of the presidential election.
At least six of the men had talked about taking Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, hostage since the summer, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court and unsealed on Thursday. The men met over the summer for firearms training and combat drills and tried to make explosives; they also gathered several times to discuss the mission, including in the basement of a shop in Michigan that was accessible only through a “trap door” under a rug, the F.B.I. said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/g ... e=Homepage

I thought the accessibility to their hideout via trap door under a rug was a nice touch. Like an episode out of Batman. Wonder if they had henchmen costumes?

I actually don't know whether this belongs here or the Trump president thread. I know people were pissed at Whitmer due to her mask mandate so I thought of here first. But this sort of thing is so adaptable to many threads.

[LawBeefaroni]

I actually don't know whether this belongs here or the Trump president thread. I know people were pissed at Whitmer due to her mask mandate so I thought of here first. But this sort of thing is so adaptable to many threads.

It was already actually posted in one of the other threads but to your point, I can't remember which one, it would fit in several. I think maybe the racism one?

[LawBeefaroni]

A-ha. The Poli-randomness one.

[Ralph-Wiggum]

My father's side of the family, Syrian Jews mostly living in NYC, are all big Trump supporters. Mostly, I think, because they believe Trump is super pro-Israel (see the embassy move), but also probably because a lot of them are pretty well off.

[$iljanus]

I actually don't know whether this belongs here or the Trump president thread. I know people were pissed at Whitmer due to her mask mandate so I thought of here first. But this sort of thing is so adaptable to many threads.

It was already actually posted in one of the other threads but to your point, I can't remember which one, it would fit in several. I think maybe the racism one?

Maybe. Although many militias like to tout their "minority" members to show that all races hate the imposition of tyranny by the forced wearing of masks. Truly, this shitshow is the gift that keeps on giving!

[$iljanus]

A-ha. The Poli-randomness one.

When in doubt that would work! Like a storm drain that catches all sorts of random filth and debris!

[Isgrimnur]

That's what it's there for.

[Holman]

I posted in Political Randomness. Couldn't decide between several options.

I almost started a new thread called "Our Unregulated Militia" to cover groups like this, but it felt like tempting fate. Maybe someone should do that.

[Smoove_B]

There's a new pre-print origin of SARS-CoV-2 propaganda "research" paper that was funded by the Steve Bannon group that's about to hit the news. Oy.

[LawBeefaroni]

There's a new pre-print origin of SARS-CoV-2 propaganda "research" paper that was funded by the Steve Bannon group that's about to hit the news. Oy.

Saw it this morning in one of my Slack groups.

Title: "SARS-CoV-2 Is an Unrestricted Bioweapon: A Truth Revealed through Uncovering a Large-Scale, Organized Scientific Fraud"

33 pages of blech.

Spoiler:

Revelation of these virus fabrications renders the natural origin theory unfounded. It also strengthens our earlier assertion that SARS-CoV-2 is a product of laboratory modification, which can be created in approximately six months using a template virus owned by a laboratory of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The fact that data fabrications were used to cover up the true origin of SARS-CoV-2 further implicates that the laboratory modification here is beyond simple gain-of-function research.

The scale and the coordinated nature of this scientific fraud signifies the degree of corruption in the fields of academic research and public health. As a result of such corruption, damages have been made both to the reputation of the scientific community and to the well-being of the global community.

Importantly, while SARS-CoV-2 meets the criteria of a bioweapon specified by the PLA, its impact is well beyond what is conceived for a typical bioweapon. In addition, records indicate that the unleashing of this weaponized pathogen should have been intentional rather than accidental. We therefore define SARS-CoV-2 as an Unrestricted Bioweapon and the current pandemic a result of Unrestricted Biowarfare. We further suggest that investigations should be carried out on the suspected government and individuals and the responsible ones be held accountable for this brutal attack on the global community

[Z-Corn]

I thought the accessibility to their hideout via trap door under a rug was a nice touch. Like an episode out of Batman. Wonder if they had henchmen costumes?

The place is called "The Vac Shack" and I've been there a couple times. We had my Mom's vacuum fixed there.

Never spotted any henchman though.

[malchior]

Apparently there are some strong rumors flying around that Pence is now positive. There was some chatter after he suddenly cancelled a trip this afternoon. However, this also could just be noise around a publishing mistake. Deadline jumped without confirmation and published an article this afternoon claiming he was positive. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Smoove_B]

Right. Either he's positive (and the people pointing out his crazy COVID eye last night were right) -or- there's some concern over Trump. Either way, thoughts and prayers.

[Defiant]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but it would fit in with what look like it could have been pink eye during the debate.

(And yeah, it could be just him playing safe since he's the VP and the president is sick

[pr0ner]

Everything is fine, folks.

https://www.twitter.com/ElizLanders/sta ... 7823482880

[msteelers]

I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Pence did not look well at all last night. Besides the pink eye, he just looked ill.

Edit: clarification

[malchior]

I can't wait until we find out Conley was ordered to prepare that letter.

[Smoove_B]

Everything is fine, folks.

[Holman]

Apparently there are some strong rumors flying around that Pence is now positive. There was some chatter after he suddenly cancelled a trip this afternoon. However, this also could just be noise around a publishing mistake. Deadline jumped without confirmation and published an article this afternoon claiming he was positive. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Unless it has specific details, that could easily just be the equivalent of preparing an obit or an election story before the fact. They do this all the time.

I once saw a collection of decades worth of partially completed "Ford/Mondale/Gore/McCain/etc Wins the Presidency" stories (along with other unrealized possibilities) that were prepared just in case but of course never ran.

[malchior]

Apparently there are some strong rumors flying around that Pence is now positive. There was some chatter after he suddenly cancelled a trip this afternoon. However, this also could just be noise around a publishing mistake. Deadline jumped without confirmation and published an article this afternoon claiming he was positive. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Unless it has specific details, that could easily just be the equivalent of preparing an obit or an election story before the fact. They do this all the time.

That's exactly what it was. That is what I suspect the PREP "tag" is about. Somehow someone pushed the publish button.

[malchior]

What a difference a few days an order from the CinC makes

https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/13 ... 6769704968

[Smoove_B]

The harder he tries to project strength, the more I think he's in a bad, bad way. I maintain that this weekend will tell us everything. Saturday will be in mid 70s in D.C.; Sunday low 70s. Let's see where Trump is.

[El Guapo]

I once saw a collection of decades worth of partially completed "Ford/Mondale/Gore/McCain/etc Wins the Presidency" stories (along with other unrealized possibilities) that were prepared just in case but of course never ran.

Gerald Ford is Dead Today.

[YellowKing]

I've been told anyone with covid - even asymptomatically - is not supposed to be clear until a minimum 14 days. Yet somehow this MF who was on oxygen 4 days ago is cured and ready to go in a week? BULLSHIT.

[malchior]

Buzzfeed News says it wasn't green screen. Their evidence is the word of the WH and digital video experts who say it was compression artifacts. Plausible but how did he do this in broad daylight and no one saw it happen? There are reporters all over the place watching for movement. They have cameras trained all day on the residence and the Oval.

[Holman]

I've been told anyone with covid - even asymptomatically - is not supposed to be clear until a minimum 14 days. Yet somehow this MF who was on oxygen 4 days ago is cured and ready to go in a week? BULLSHIT.

Obviously you're thinking of someone who is not a PERFECT PHYSICAL SPECIMEN.

[Daehawk]

I've been told anyone with covid - even asymptomatically - is not supposed to be clear until a minimum 14 days. Yet somehow this MF who was on oxygen 4 days ago is cured and ready to go in a week? BULLSHIT.

Shhh we can only hope he mingles and kills them all.