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malchior wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:22 pm

LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pmI agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.

The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.

This is not legislating. Speaker Pelosi continues to use Steven Mnuchin as a stand-in for the U.S. House of Representatives.

If followed, the recommendations in the Great Barrington Declaration would haphazardly and unnecessarily sacrifices lives. The declaration is not a strategy, it is a political statement. It ignores sound public health expertise. It preys on a frustrated populace. Instead of selling false hope that will predictably backfire, we must focus on how to manage this pandemic in a safe, responsible, and equitable way.

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Public health guidance and requirements related to masking and physical distancing are not an impediment to normalcy – they are the path to a new normal. The goal is both public health safety and economic security; the two are not in conflict with one another, they are dependent on each other. We need to focus our efforts on the development and implementation of a national, science-based and ethical pandemic disease-control strategy.

The pandemic has created serious hardships on families’ economic security and on Americans’ mental health and well-being. What we need is a coordinated and robust national response including mask use, hand hygiene and physical distancing, while also ensuring social supports for those most vulnerable, including physical and mental health, and social factors. What we do not need is wrong-headed proposals masquerading as science.

NEW Correspondence—80+ researchers warn that a so-called #herdimmunity approach to managing #COVID19 is “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence”

LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:50 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:22 pm

LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pmI agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.

The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.

I don't get how any of that shows the premise is wrong.

It's all over the news today. Take your pick.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-polic ... -continue/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/coronav ... -bill.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5210 ... s-for-deal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pelosi-mnu ... 1602693608

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-polic ... -continue/

Theatre for who? He's called out POTUS. He got drummed out of the party so hard by the billionaires who thought he was performing theatre for their benefit that one of not only cut funding but declared himself GOP nominee and was forced to resign his seat on the oversight committee.

I have a very long list of things he and I will never see eye to eye on but unlike Rand Paul and the Freedom Caucus, I see no theater from Amash.

You're reading more and more like Rip of the left.

RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:04 pm You can’t negotiate in good faith with people that are negotiating in bad faith. The House GOP are non-entities and a waste of time. Negotiating with them will only weaken your position (SEE: Affordable Care Act).

Then we have the folks asking why Pelosi doesn’t just take what Mnuchin is offering? Because you don’t negotiate with people by simply adopting their negotiating position. That’s called losing a negotiation.

There’s no third stimulus. There’s no giving Mnuchin what he wants now and then fixing it later. If it needs to be Mnuchin + stuff now, then that’s what it has to be.

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:47 pmRead more here, so you too can know something.

On the afternoon of Feb. 24, President Trump declared on Twitter that the coronavirus was “very much under control” in the United States, one of numerous rosy statements that he and his advisers made at the time about the worsening epidemic. He even added an observation for investors: “Stock market starting to look very good to me!”

But hours earlier, senior members of the president’s economic team, privately addressing board members of the conservative Hoover Institution, were less confident. Tomas J. Philipson, a senior economic adviser to the president, told the group he could not yet estimate the effects of the virus on the American economy. To some in the group, the implication was that an outbreak could prove worse than Mr. Philipson and other Trump administration advisers were signaling in public at the time.

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The consultant’s assessment quickly spread through parts of the investment world. U.S. stocks were already spiraling because of a warning from a federal public health official that the virus was likely to spread, but traders spotted the immediate significance: The president’s aides appeared to be giving wealthy party donors an early warning of a potentially impactful contagion at a time when Mr. Trump was publicly insisting that the threat was nonexistent.

Interviews with eight people who either received copies of the memo or were briefed on aspects of it as it spread among investors in New York and elsewhere provide a glimpse of how elite traders had access to information from the administration that helped them gain financial advantage during a chaotic three days when global markets were teetering.

The memo was occasionally breathless and inchoate. It appears to have overstated the gravity of some administration officials’ warnings to the group and included dire projections from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, without clear attribution, that do not appear to have come from the gathering. The Times is publishing only the passages from the memo whose accuracy it has independently confirmed.

But the memo’s overarching message — that a devastating virus outbreak in the United States was increasingly likely to occur, and that government officials were more aware of the threat than they were letting on publicly — proved accurate.

Little Raven wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:28 pm Thank you, Smoove. You have consistently been the shining star of this thread.

malchior wrote:What a surprise. The wealthy got a tip off about the impact of the virus while he lied to the people. The corruption is bottomless.

YellowKing wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:07 pm Damn, Governor Cooper came out firing in his debate opening statement. He explained the reason the debate was behind plexiglass was because Forest had just attended a rally with no masks and no social distancing, and was a reckless act that endangered everyone in the room. Forest had no rebuttal.

Forest is a vehement anti-masker who sued Cooper over his mask mandate. He is a fucking slimeball.

stessier wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:56 am I see the image.

El Guapo wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:01 am

stessier wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:56 am I see the image.

This this like an Emperor's New Clothes kind of situation?

El Guapo wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:01 am

stessier wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:56 am I see the image.

This this like an Emperor's New Clothes kind of situation?

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

An elderly Dutch woman has become the first known person to die from catching Covid-19 twice, according to experts, raising serious questions about how long immunity and antibodies can last.
The woman, 89, suffered from a rare type of bone marrow cancer called Waldenström's macroglobulinemia. Her immune system was compromised due to the cell-depleting therapy she received, the researchers at Maastricht University Medical Center in the Netherlands wrote in a paper accepted for publication in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.
However, the researchers said her natural immune response could still have been "sufficient" to fight-off Covid-19, as the type of treatment she received for cancer "does not necessarily result in life threatening disease."

Defiant wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:23 am Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

El Guapo wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:05 am

Defiant wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:23 am Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

Jesus. Just keep Biden in an isolation bubble until at least November 4th, ok? We'll do ok without him.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:45 am

El Guapo wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:05 am

Defiant wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:23 am Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

Jesus. Just keep Biden in an isolation bubble until at least November 4th, ok? We'll do ok without him.

GOP prayer/wet dream : Harris gets COVID and dies before election.

coopasonic wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:55 am I mean I would be super sad to lose Harris as I think she has a lot of promise.

stessier wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:56 am

coopasonic wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:55 am I mean I would be super sad to lose Harris as I think she has a lot of promise.

Well yeah, obviously a lot would change for her.

stessier wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:50 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:45 am

El Guapo wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:05 am

Defiant wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:23 am Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

Jesus. Just keep Biden in an isolation bubble until at least November 4th, ok? We'll do ok without him.

GOP prayer/wet dream : Harris gets COVID and dies before election.

Would that change anything, though? Biden dying would be a problem constitutionally, from what I've read. Harris would just mean getting a new VP confirmed afterwards. (This of course presumes they win.)

Paingod wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:13 pm

If we lost Biden, would he become like a martyr? A battle cry at the polls?

I believed that when I entered the White House grounds, that I had entered a safe zone,
due to the testing that and I and many others underwent every day. I was wrong. I was
wrong to not wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement and I was wrong not
to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions with the President and the rest of the
team. I hope that my experience shows my fellow citizens that you should follow CDC
guidelines in public no matter where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and
others.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:12 am Ages old story. Brush with death causes evil turd man to take stock of his life and reconsider his misdeeds.

noxiousdog wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:47 am Neither of those is true. They are more likely to be asymptomatic and very unlikely to die. But they are very good spreaders.

noxiousdog wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:47 am Neither of those is true. They are more likely to be asymptomatic and very unlikely to die. But they are very good spreaders.

Paingod wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:40 am Ask any parent that suffers illness after illness after illness when their darling little tykes hit school for the first time.