BSG IV -Revhempus Smoked -Humans win.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:00 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:I don't think Apollo should step forward unless Sean was Athena. It's already been stated that the Cylons are unlikely to shrink their pool by killing unknowns. Apollo's information is unique. Starbuck can't protect Athena & Apollo tonight. Let Apollo stay hidden (unless Sean was Athena), and come out tomorrow when he'll have 2 pieces of information to give us.

wtf? so you want to be the lynch today?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:02 pm

or to clarify if after 3 frackin days apollo has not mentioned Athena = Sean we should lynch Apollo as soon as he steps forward. Hell I'd frackin shoot him myself if Lassr gives me another bullet.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:03 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:I don't think Apollo should step forward unless Sean was Athena. It's already been stated that the Cylons are unlikely to shrink their pool by killing unknowns. Apollo's information is unique. Starbuck can't protect Athena & Apollo tonight. Let Apollo stay hidden (unless Sean was Athena), and come out tomorrow when he'll have 2 pieces of information to give us.
wtf? so you want to be the lynch today?

Yes, please!

Care to elaborate how you came to that conclusion?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:05 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:We have confirmation that Scoop is neither a special nor a specialist. Starting up a wagon on Stess is like another scan for the Cylons. If they can figure out who the specials are NOT, finding specials then becomes academic.

Huh? I thought you said stessier was the Safe vote.

No?

Bakhtosh wrote:Unagi is moving up my list of suspects.

Finally, I mean - I have been hounding you all game man.

I have a scenario where you are #7 and stessier is Cavil. A lot of things click with that.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:05 pm

and to followup...

there is ZERO information more important than whether or not 10 is dead.
Apollo has no other purpose at this point than to tell us WHAT CYLON WE KILLED!
and waiting till tomorrow to relay that intel is idiocy.

Apollo does not need protection. Starbuck would be a fool to protection apollo.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:06 pm

Kraegor wrote:or to clarify if after 3 frackin days apollo has not mentioned Athena = Sean we should lynch Apollo as soon as he steps forward. Hell I'd frackin shoot him myself if Lassr gives me another bullet.

Agreed - that would be the boneheadedest of bonehead moves in a WW game.
I'm glad we agree.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:10 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
Care to elaborate how you came to that conclusion?

simple with 1 post you want us to remain blind. and you abandoned your "this game is over with scoop" philosophy.
it's easy to prove scoop is the last... apollo comes forward and says so....

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:12 pm

Thats your opinion Kraegor but I actually think it would be worth the risk to get apollo's scan when he find something useful. I don't think he has scanned #10 otherwise he would have announced it already or hes dead.

Everyone has checked in and no one has claimed apollo. There has been ample time.

Its not really a point now, is it?

In other news, my vote is starting to hover near Stessier but I want to hear him respond first.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:14 pm

Kraegor wrote:and to followup...

there is ZERO information more important than whether or not 10 is dead.
Apollo has no other purpose at this point than to tell us WHAT CYLON WE KILLED!
and waiting till tomorrow to relay that intel is idiocy.

Apollo does not need protection. Starbuck would be a fool to protection apollo.

You're wrong. Apollo coming forward and saying, "Sean was Cavil" would be an absurd waste of his powers since it gains us nothing. If we don't hit the last cylon now, Starbuck would protect Athena tonight and the Cylons would kill Apollo, ensuring we get no more information from him.

If I remember correctly, you suggested that the Cylons won't go killing people at random in the unknown pool, so we're unlikely to lose a hidden Apollo to them tonight. We're almost 100% likely to a known Apollo tonight in exchange for no significant information.

A living starbuck will protect Athena tonight, and guess what...she can protect Apollo tomorrow night. Funny how that works out, huh? But only if Apollo stays hidden tonight.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:19 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Thats your opinion Kraegor but I actually think it would be worth the risk to get apollo's scan when he find something useful. I don't think he has scanned #10 otherwise he would have announced it already or hes dead.

.

Great. Now when you people actually figure out wtf the point of apollo's skill is, let me know, and I'll give you a kick in the nuts for not figuring it out sooner...

we are PAST the point of waiting to scan a dead athena there is exactly ONE candidate... guess who?
What other scan of DEAD is more important than a dead cylon?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:21 pm

Bakhtosh wrote: A living starbuck will protect Athena tonight, and guess what...she can protect Apollo tomorrow night. Funny how that works out, huh? But only if Apollo stays hidden tonight.

CANNOT PROTECT APOLLO
YOU CANNOT PROVE APOLLO
STARBUCK WOULD BE A MORON TO PROTECT APOLLO
CONSIDERING IF APOLLO IS A FAKE OH GEE DEAD STARBUCK...

how do you prove apollo? oh that's right athena scans... but wait for it... that means apollo is out in the open for 1 night awaiting confirmation.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:22 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:
Care to elaborate how you came to that conclusion?
simple with 1 post you want us to remain blind. and you abandoned your "this game is over with scoop" philosophy.
it's easy to prove scoop is the last... apollo comes forward and says so....

I've been wavering on Scoop ever since he started acting reasonable. I don't intend to pull my vote because I can't wrap my mind around that list being a coincidence, and we know he's either a Cylon or Citizen, which means the pool of unknowns just got smaller.

I don't believe the Cylons will go hunting in the pool of unknowns unless they feel they have a better than 50/50 shot at nailing Apollo or Starbuck (and to a lesser extent: Tory). The more we narrow down the unknown pool the easier we make it on them. If we're going to shift our vote from person to person, we might as well have everyone self out now and save the Cylons the trouble. Then they can pick their kill.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:22 pm

now yes there was a nifty ability to prove apollo. that ability got used on mipe. ability gone. kthxbye!

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:23 pm

Kraegor wrote:or to clarify if after 3 frackin days apollo has not mentioned Athena = Sean we should lynch Apollo as soon as he steps forward. Hell I'd frackin shoot him myself if Lassr gives me another bullet.

-- We've got specialists who didn't let the general population know they were being infaltrated by cylons.
We've got military officers that, well, make the specialists look good. (We are fleeing after the near end of civilization, right?).
We've got to take out cylons first, then we can work on improving our defense team.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:25 pm

Kraegor wrote: What other scan of DEAD is more important than a dead cylon?

Gee, I don't know...maybe TWO dead cylons?

Maybe an extra scan tomorrow night?

STARBUCK WOULD BE A MORON TO PROTECT APOLLO
CONSIDERING IF APOLLO IS A FAKE OH GEE DEAD STARBUCK...

It's entirely possible that Apollo has already been scanned. Mipe and Grund are potential Apollos. Tonight's scan is too. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:25 pm

wow bakhtosh, you keep throwin out ideas to maximize night time kill efficiency.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:26 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Unagi on the other hand continues to make me nervous. He has been playing a tightrope game of placing suspicion and then jumping to the other side to defend the individual (happened with Remus, and Me). It could be he is just searching for the cylons but I have just gotten the feeling he has been trying to drape himself in innocence through out the game. His sean statements is an example and if I am lynched he could use that as evidence of being human.

First, yes - I have been placing suspicions. Primarily on stessier and Bakhtosh.

I have/had some on you - but it's subsided to some degree (mostly due to the aggressive moves I saw being put on you for the code).
I have some in reserve for Purge, but I have been clear where that lies with me (wait for now)
Redrun - who knows.

I am searching for cylons.

Drapping myself in innocence... I like that. OK - I am not sure how I am doing that, but I'd like to think I am mearly drapped in innocence, not actually doing the drapping.

What are my "Sean statements"? You mean back when I remarked how it's going to look good if he comes up a Cylon? Whatever - it struck me that it would... It also struck me that it would haunt me the whole game.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:26 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Yeah, assuming Chaos=Athena, Chaos, Grund and Mipe (and Baltar) can not be 10. I forgot this conversion is restricted...even though I'm much happier with that method.

And not to defend Stess, but he did say that he was listing the worst case, and the worst case would include a #10 conversion tonight.

stessier said very specifically that the worst case was 2 Cylons left. Then he went on to only mention 10 rather than 10 and/or 7.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:27 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:From a quick lunchtime glance, it seems as if having second thoughts is all the rage. So
withdraw Scoop20906

I know yer trying to remake your image but the windsock impersonation does not impress...

Funny, I'm getting a great laugh out of it. But then, I am easily amused...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:29 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, Stessier, do you still feel "Strong!" about you vote for me? I'm finding it hard to believe you would see this as evidence enough to lynch someone.

Specifically point by point:
Voting for someone because they can't remember who's proven,

can't remember how to withdraw votes

who put out a coded list with an odd correlation to known Cylons

Dude, you voted for me. That's all I really needed. The rest is just window dressing and hand waving to make sure someone dies today. I don't really care who.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:29 pm

Kraegor wrote:wow bakhtosh, you keep throwin out ideas to maximize night time kill efficiency.

Funny, I seem to be the one who's advocating keeping the Cylons in the dark. You're the one suggesting we narrow down the pool of unknowns and give the Cylons more information with the bonus of killing one of our seers.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:30 pm

Kraegor wrote:and to followup...

there is ZERO information more important than whether or not 10 is dead.
Apollo has no other purpose at this point than to tell us WHAT CYLON WE KILLED!
and waiting till tomorrow to relay that intel is idiocy.

Apollo does not need protection. Starbuck would be a fool to protection apollo.

I agree 100%.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:30 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:It's entirely possible that Apollo has already been scanned. Mipe and Grund are potential Apollos. Tonight's scan is too. You're missing the forest for the trees.

No, I'm layering my phrases in sarcasm so that people pay attention. It seems when I get reasonable people zone out and start jerkin off to pictures of starbuck.

Now is more important than later. and no 2 dead cylons isn't worthwhile. considering we already frackin know austin is 6. so wtf is apollo gonna do? reconfirm chaos tomorrow? whoopdeefrickindoo

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:30 pm

Remus West wrote:I can not get past the implication that he knows what Cylon Sean was.

What an odd hangup. Is there any reason I couldn't know?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:33 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
Kraegor wrote:wow bakhtosh, you keep throwin out ideas to maximize night time kill efficiency.
Funny, I seem to be the one who's advocating keeping the Cylons in the dark. You're the one suggesting we narrow down the pool of unknowns and give the Cylons more information with the bonus of killing one of our seers.

I'm proven. you aint, toaster boy. And you are advocating keeping Humans in the dark. Cylons know which cylon is dead. Or didn't ya get the memo?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:35 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Thanks Remus. It is pretty interesting. Stessier has been pretty silent as well. Is he in damage control mode?

Nope, I'm in "prep house for sale and spend 3 hours in line absetnee voting" mode.

But that's neither here now there. My silence has created a lot of interesting conversation, and that's always a good thing.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:35 pm

Kraegor wrote: Now is more important than later. and no 2 dead cylons isn't worthwhile. considering we already frackin know austin is 6. so wtf is apollo gonna do? reconfirm chaos tomorrow? whoopdeefrickindoo

We get a lynch today. If we get a cylon and the game doesn't end, we're going to want Apollo around to sort out the mess. Apollo staying hidden now doesn't get us 1 more night...it gets us 2. Even if we don't get a cylon today, finding out Semaj's role (if any) would help.

Apollo coming out now would be foolish unless his information would change today's vote. Can you give me a scenario where knowing that Sean was Cavil (as I suspect he was) makes any difference on today's vote?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:37 pm

Kraegor wrote:Hell I'd frackin shoot him myself if Lassr gives me another bullet.

I begged Grund for another bullet on the Island to kill you (although out of frustration, not knowledge of your

-ness). He said no too.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:37 pm

stessier wrote: But that's neither here now there. My silence has created a lot of interesting conversation, and that's always a good thing.

yeah it's your silence that got the ball rolling

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:38 pm

stessier wrote:The rest is just window dressing and hand waving to make sure someone dies today. I don't really care who.

Wow man. Just, wow.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:39 pm

Kraegor wrote:No, I'm layering my phrases in sarcasm so that people pay attention. It seems when I get reasonable people zone out and start jerkin off to pictures of starbuck.

link please?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:40 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Apollo coming out now would be foolish unless his information would change today's vote. Can you give me a scenario where knowing that Sean was Cavil (as I suspect he was) makes any difference on today's vote?

100% agree

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:42 pm

Kraegor wrote: I'm proven. you aint, toaster boy. And you are advocating keeping Humans in the dark. Cylons know which cylon is dead. Or didn't ya get the memo?

Which is why I'm just saying you're wrong instead of accusing you of being one of them. If 10 died unscanned by Six, only 7 knows if Sean was 10 or not. Six/Cavil wouldn't have any way of knowing the difference between 7 and 10.

But that's not the information I'm talking about. I'm talking about information on the remaining specials. You're out and you're not a primary target. Think about the guys hiding out in the pool who are hoping to hang on for one more day.

Cite one example where I've helped the Cylons narrow down a night kill, as you've claimed. I've already stated how your theory would hurt the humans. Apollo is not expendable unless he can give us another cylon.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:43 pm

stessier wrote:
Kraegor wrote:Hell I'd frackin shoot him myself if Lassr gives me another bullet.
I begged Grund for another bullet on the Island to kill you (although out of frustration, not knowledge of your -ness). He said no too.

There's a reason Andy only gave one bullet to deputy Fife...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:43 pm

Kraegor wrote:yeah it's your silence that got the ball rolling

It's all about me, Bucko - and don't you forget it!!!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:45 pm

stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, Stessier, do you still feel "Strong!" about you vote for me? I'm finding it hard to believe you would see this as evidence enough to lynch someone.

Specifically point by point:
Voting for someone because they can't remember who's proven,

can't remember how to withdraw votes

who put out a coded list with an odd correlation to known Cylons
Dude, you voted for me. That's all I really needed. The rest is just window dressing and hand waving to make sure someone dies today. I don't really care who.

This isn't even close to the response I am used to with you. I'm not sure how to categorize it. You usually love to examine all the little details. Now you throw down a vote with a "Dude, you voted for me" statement and some window dressing?

Can someone help me out here? Are there rulez afoot I wasn't aware of where some people my act contrary to their normal playstyle?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:45 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:There's a reason Andy only gave one bullet to deputy Fife...

Listen, Backshot - Kraegor and I at least hit Bad Guys. You can speak up when you join the club.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:46 pm

stessier wrote:
Remus West wrote:I can not get past the implication that he knows what Cylon Sean was.
What an odd hangup. Is there any reason I couldn't know?

I need a translator for that one.

Is there any reason Stessier couldn't know which Cylon Sean was?

Stess is a converted 10, Cavil, or Seven
Stess is Apollo
Stess is a human who's been raiding Rev's stash

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:47 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Apollo is not expendable unless he can give us another cylon.

Brilliant. How does a guy who scans 1 day behind schedule give us a cylon?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:47 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
Kraegor wrote:wow bakhtosh, you keep throwin out ideas to maximize night time kill efficiency.
Funny, I seem to be the one who's advocating keeping the Cylons in the dark. You're the one suggesting we narrow down the pool of unknowns and give the Cylons more information with the bonus of killing one of our seers.

I think that may be because you, as a cylon, are NOT in the dark?

After tonight, things will quite possibly be even more ambiguous for us. Can't you see that?