Super Bowl LI

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:00 am

LordMortis wrote: Also, I think Ossweiler set the new bar for QB signings. I don't think Stafford will be the highest paid player for very long.

Osweiler is only 16th in average/year. That's a very low bar, especially when considering how many other starters (Bridgewater, Bortels, Goff, Wentz, Winston, Prescott, Mariota) are on their first contract and how many others are stopgaps.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:09 am

noxiousdog wrote:
LordMortis wrote: Also, I think Ossweiler set the new bar for QB signings. I don't think Stafford will be the highest paid player for very long.
Osweiler is only 16th in average/year. That's a very low bar, especially when considering how many other starters (Bridgewater, Bortels, Goff, Wentz, Winston, Prescott, Mariota) are on their first contract and how many others are stopgaps.

I guess I should have said Ossweiler set the new floor for starter QB signings. He is 16th now but I don't think you will see a non freshly drafted starting QB signed for less than he signed for ever again.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:11 pm

I finally watched the play at the end of the game. I can't for the life of my figure out how that is a legal play. Sherman is ignoring the rest of the field, and launches into the upper body of the WR during a pass play. If that's legal, that's the only thing I'm going to have my DBs do from now on. As soon as the QB leaves the pocket, I'm destroying every WR on the field. Because apparently that's totally cool.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:56 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:I finally watched the play at the end of the game. I can't for the life of my figure out how that is a legal play. Sherman is ignoring the rest of the field, and launches into the upper body of the WR during a pass play. If that's legal, that's the only thing I'm going to have my DBs do from now on. As soon as the QB leaves the pocket, I'm destroying every WR on the field. Because apparently that's totally cool.

I've seen that happen before and it is legal. Cheap as hell but legal. I wonder if he can get fined for that though. Or maybe flagged for unnecessary roughness?

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:26 pm

The Meal wrote:In the not-helping-anyone-decide department, the Lions (5-4) have been behind in the 4th quarter every game this season.

Oh, did I say "4th quarter"? I meant "last-ninety-seconds".

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:05 pm

Remus West wrote:I've seen that happen before and it is legal. Cheap as hell but legal. I wonder if he can get fined for that though. Or maybe flagged for unnecessary roughness?

Yeah, I get that it's legal. I'm just saying that I can't understand WHY it would be legal. But given that it is, look out. With that getting front and center attention on a national broadcast I have to believe it's about to be open season on WRs.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:09 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:Yeah, I get that it's legal. I'm just saying that I can't understand WHY it would be legal. But given that it is, look out. With that getting front and center attention on a national broadcast I have to believe it's about to be open season on WRs.

Maybe it will become a standard play in the Pats defense book and then get copied by the rest of the league? Then the NFL'll be forced to examine the issue.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:12 pm

xenocide wrote:That sequence before halftime was some of the worst reffing BS I have ever seen. Bills got totally screwed. Sherman should get fined big for that hit, no way he didn't know he was early and after the whistle.

+1 Ridiculous.

The refs should get a call from the commissioner on that lunacy. They had time to review and everything. Just nuts.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:18 pm

The competition comity will be busy this offseason. The insanity of how they have begun finding exploits for pass defense is going to end up being a problem. Lighting up a receiver like Sherman did may be legal but is going to get someone hurt. The Saints having all of their receivers get tackled and just taking the 5 yard penalty to run down the clock isn't as bad, but could also lead to issues.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:16 pm

LordMortis wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:Yeah, I get that it's legal. I'm just saying that I can't understand WHY it would be legal. But given that it is, look out. With that getting front and center attention on a national broadcast I have to believe it's about to be open season on WRs.
Maybe it will become a standard play in the Pats defense book and then get copied by the rest of the league? Then the NFL'll be forced to examine the issue.

Seattle plays at the Pats this weekend. I'd be shocked if it didn't happen in the game. Wilson gets flushed a lot.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:24 pm

stessier wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:Yeah, I get that it's legal. I'm just saying that I can't understand WHY it would be legal. But given that it is, look out. With that getting front and center attention on a national broadcast I have to believe it's about to be open season on WRs.
Maybe it will become a standard play in the Pats defense book and then get copied by the rest of the league? Then the NFL'll be forced to examine the issue.
Seattle plays at the Pats this weekend. I'd be shocked if it didn't happen in the game. Wilson gets flushed a lot.

Oh, the Lions are on buy. Remind me to hope that game is on broadcast TV. If this is a thing, then it will be interesting to see how Belicheck deals with other teams walking the edge of the letter of the rules. I rather doubt he's a cry baby but rather is a cry havoc responder.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:14 pm

The Meal wrote:
The Meal wrote:In the not-helping-anyone-decide department, the Lions (5-4) have been behind in the 4th quarter every game this season.
Oh, did I say "4th quarter"? I meant "last-ninety-seconds".

For the FIRST PLACE Detroit Lions.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:09 pm

Deflategate

The New England Patriots quarterback, who was forced to sit out four games earlier this season for allegedly being aware of a scheme to deflate footballs in the 2015 AFC title game, is featured in a new spot for Foot Locker that debuted Wednesday.

Leading up to Thanksgiving, the shoe and apparel retailer concentrates a week full of shoe releases that it calls its Week of Greatness.

In the spot with Brady, two fans walk into a diner having picked up their shoes and wonder aloud how it's possible that the company is sustaining success.

Brady overhears the two and launches into a speech, which eventually becomes about him.

"Just because something is great year after year doesn't mean anything is going on," Brady says to the fans. "Why can't some things just be great? It starts with questions, and then questions turn into assumptions, and then assumptions turn into vacations. So why would you punish the Week of Greatness for something that never even happened?'

Foot Locker wrote the spot for Brady, and the quarterback was all-in.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:14 pm

I just have to say the end of the Saints game pissed me off. There is now no reason for players to ever wear non-white shoes. He clearly stepped out and they let it stand because his shoes were the same color as the line.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:14 pm

Too little, too late. Alshon Jeffery is suspended for PEDs, and Kyle Long is dead. Even if they lose out there is little chance they will wrest the top pick from Cleveland though. Beating Detroit may have been unavoidable, but did they have to look good in beating Minnesota?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:14 am

Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:51 am

Raiders/Texans was rigged.

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geezer · Post by **geezer** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:02 am

pr0ner wrote:Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.

There were some pretty serious Kirk Cousins haters here once upon a time...

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:07 am

noxiousdog wrote:Raiders/Texans was rigged.

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lol, sure looked suspicious didn't it

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:10 am

geezer wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.
There were some pretty serious Kirk Cousins haters here once upon a time...

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:14 am

noxiousdog wrote:Raiders/Texans was rigged.

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Are you referring to the ball placements in the 4th qtr?

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:16 am

naednek wrote:
noxiousdog wrote:Raiders/Texans was rigged.

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Are you referring to the ball placements in the 4th qtr?

both of them and the "out of bounds" on Hopkins in the first half.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:42 am

The Hopkins out of bounds might have been a bad call, but is easy to see the refs blowing the whistle in that case. I'm still not convinced he didn't step out. I haven't seen the ball placement replays yet.

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:43 am

noxiousdog wrote:
geezer wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.
There were some pretty serious Kirk Cousins haters here once upon a time...

Yeah - but you weren't the only one I don't think. I do wonder now though if there is going be a huge chasm between what Cousins reasonably expects and what the team reasonably thinks he's worth.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:46 am

geezer wrote:
noxiousdog wrote:
geezer wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.
There were some pretty serious Kirk Cousins haters here once upon a time...

Yeah - but you weren't the only one I don't think. I do wonder now though if there is going be a huge chasm between what Cousins reasonably expects and what the team reasonably thinks he's worth.

This is why Cousins is playing this year on the franchise tag - the team seriously lowballed him this past offseason. Cousins's ask is going to be even bigger this offseason, especially if he somehow maintains his current pace (he's on pace for just shy of 5,000 yards).

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:47 am

noxiousdog wrote:
geezer wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.
There were some pretty serious Kirk Cousins haters here once upon a time...

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:50 am

pr0ner wrote:
geezer wrote:
noxiousdog wrote:
geezer wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.
There were some pretty serious Kirk Cousins haters here once upon a time...

Yeah - but you weren't the only one I don't think. I do wonder now though if there is going be a huge chasm between what Cousins reasonably expects and what the team reasonably thinks he's worth.
This is why Cousins is playing this year on the franchise tag - the team seriously lowballed him this past offseason. Cousins's ask is going to be even bigger this offseason, especially if he somehow maintains his current pace (he's on pace for just shy of 5,000 yards).

Yep. I really wish he'd been given a reasonable offer before this season - I think he would have signed something that wasn't a goofy lowball. But the guy made 20 mil this year and *someone* will pay him big this offseason (or he'll pocket another 25 on another tag). Good for him.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:33 pm

geezer wrote:
noxiousdog wrote:
geezer wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Looks like the NFC Beast may be back. Overall record of 27-12-1 and three of the top four teams in the NFC.

Thursday's Cowboys/Redskins game is massive.
There were some pretty serious Kirk Cousins haters here once upon a time...

Yeah - but you weren't the only one I don't think. I do wonder now though if there is going be a huge chasm between what Cousins reasonably expects and what the team reasonably thinks he's worth.

He can get good money elsewhere. They disrespected his potential/value last season, do it again and they will lose him.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:52 pm

Wow, what are you guys smokin'? They'd be nuts to pay him Osweiller money - he very nearly IS Osweiller! He's enough to get you close, but he's never going to get you all the way. If you can sign him to a reasonable, short term deal, then do that. Otherwise, start looking at other options.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:11 pm

stessier wrote:Wow, what are you guys smokin'? They'd be nuts to pay him Osweiller money - he very nearly IS Osweiller! He's enough to get you close, but he's never going to get you all the way. If you can sign him to a reasonable, short term deal, then do that. Otherwise, start looking at other options.

What other options are there? Jay Cutler? Colt McCoy? There are no better options for 2017 than Kirk Cousins for Washington.

Also, Osweiler has never shown anything close to what Cousins has the last season and a half. That comparison is a non-starter.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:12 pm

Cutler has a torn labrum, probably done for the year.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:13 pm

stessier wrote:Wow, what are you guys smokin'? They'd be nuts to pay him Osweiller money - he very nearly IS Osweiller! He's enough to get you close, but he's never going to get you all the way. If you can sign him to a reasonable, short term deal, then do that. Otherwise, start looking at other options.

It's far too soon to say that. He made the playoffs last year and they aren't the most talented team. ..

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:00 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Cutler has a torn labrum, probably done for the year.

Having had surgery to repair that same issue last March I can say that if that is his case and it is bad enough for surgery rather than just PT he is done for the year and into the off season. I have no where near the resources or time to put into recovery that he will have but it took three months before I had full mobility back and that was with rehab every day.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:03 pm

pr0ner wrote:
stessier wrote:Wow, what are you guys smokin'? They'd be nuts to pay him Osweiller money - he very nearly IS Osweiller! He's enough to get you close, but he's never going to get you all the way. If you can sign him to a reasonable, short term deal, then do that. Otherwise, start looking at other options.
What other options are there? Jay Cutler? Colt McCoy? There are no better options for 2017 than Kirk Cousins for Washington.

Also, Osweiler has never shown anything close to what Cousins has the last season and a half. That comparison is a non-starter.

I was looking up stats to combat this lunacy and found that...I was wrong. He's actually playing fairly well this year. He's kept his INT % low and won some impressive games. I take it back. I still think they'd be crazy to pay him big, but it's hard to say he hasn't earned it.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:02 pm

Romo to the Bears in 3....2....1....

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:11 am

Rip wrote:Romo to the Bears in 3....2....1....

Not unless he goes for a bargain price.

The Bears are in such miserable shape right now that even PEDs can't even help them win. This week, the second starter in as many weeks was suspended. That they seemed content with the performance of a career backup earlier this year, I'll expect the Bears to go cheap at QB (or maybe draft one). If they were a big time QB away from contention -- then maybe an interest in Romo. Given their utter lack of receivers, hiring an expensive QB would be like giving a diamond ring to someone with no fingers.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:19 am

Isgrimnur wrote:Cutler has a torn labrum, probably done for the year.

Not a good year for QBs. How many starters in Pre-Season/September have been moved to "done for the year" this year?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:58 am

LordMortis wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Cutler has a torn labrum, probably done for the year.
Not a good year for QBs. How many starters in Pre-Season/September have been moved to "done for the year" this year?

Very few?

Teddy Bridgewater
Jay Cutler

RG3 was just designated for return, so he's off the list. Everyone else still has their starter playing. Many have missed time for one thing or another, but they all are coming back.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:12 am

stessier wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Cutler has a torn labrum, probably done for the year.
Not a good year for QBs. How many starters in Pre-Season/September have been moved to "done for the year" this year?
Very few?

Teddy Bridgewater
Jay Cutler

RG3 was just designated for return, so he's off the list. Everyone else still has their starter playing. Many have missed time for one thing or another, but they all are coming back.

I guess I just have my NFC North glasses on with no Fantasy leagues playing this year, I thought there were a lot more woes than that.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:49 am

Jeff V wrote:
Rip wrote:Romo to the Bears in 3....2....1....
Not unless he goes for a bargain price.

The Bears are in such miserable shape right now that even PEDs can't even help them win. This week, the second starter in as many weeks was suspended. That they seemed content with the performance of a career backup earlier this year, I'll expect the Bears to go cheap at QB (or maybe draft one). If they were a big time QB away from contention -- then maybe an interest in Romo. Given their utter lack of receivers, hiring an expensive QB would be like giving a diamond ring to someone with no fingers.

Romo will probably be given say in where he ends up as well so that pretty much assures you he won't end up behind a paper offensive line.