The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:36 pm

Hrm, what sort of person would divert money from a charity to register someone for Boy Scouts?

Note: Donnie Jr would have been 11 years old at that time, just the right age to be joining the BSA.

P.S. You just know that if Trump is elected, then Fahrenthold is on the very first flight to Gitmo...

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:05 pm

I predict, if anything at all comes of Trump losing it will blow over like the Branch Dildonians (that stupid Bundy family insanity) out west in Oregon.

Now if it does come to open warfare I expect my "Arab" neighbors and I have enough guns and ammo to fend off whatever Cheeto force the crazies may be able to assemble. I live in the burbs, though. If the Cheetos go all out they could fuck up city life for a lot of people.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:57 pm

I am actually kind of amazed this tweet is still up given recent events,

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:28 am

Max Peck wrote:Hrm, what sort of person would divert money from a charity to register someone for Boy Scouts?

At a guess I'm gonna say that Drumpf told a flunky to register Jr. for scouts but didn't give him any money, and said flunky was like "fuck this, I'm not paying out of my own pocket. Thanks, donors".

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:23 am

Finally, incontrovertible evidence that Trump is innocent. Case closed.

The Donald Trump campaign hit back on Friday at an allegation that he sexually assaulted a woman aboard a plane in the 1980s, presenting a supposed witness to the alleged incident.

In a note provided to the New York Post by the campaign on Friday, Anthony Gilberthorpe said that he was sitting across from the businessman and Jessica Leeds on the flight and refuted the latter’s claims that Trump groped her.

“I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious,”claimed Gilberthorpe, who is British.

On Wednesday, Leeds, now 74, spoke out in a New York Times report, alleging that Trump groped her while on a first-class flight to New York in the early 1980s. She told the Times, “He was like an octopus … His hands were everywhere.”

Leeds was 38 at the time of the alleged assault, and says she moved to the back of the plane without reporting the incident to airline staff.

Gilberthorpe, 54, told the Post in an interview that he saw no inappropriate interactions between Leeds and Trump. He claimed, however, that Leeds was “shrill” and “trying too hard,” and had told him that she “wanted to marry” Trump while the GOP nominee was in the bathroom.

He said that he has no evidence of his side of the story, but described his memory as excellent.

“What she said about Trump is wrong,” Gilberthrope asserted to the Post, adding, “If there’s evidence Trump’s done it, sure, hang him from the post, but I was there, I was in a position to know that what she said was wrong, wrong, wrong.”

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:55 am

GreenGoo wrote:
Max Peck wrote:Hrm, what sort of person would divert money from a charity to register someone for Boy Scouts?
At a guess I'm gonna say that Drumpf told a flunky to register Jr. for scouts but didn't give him any money, and said flunky was like "fuck this, I'm not paying out of my own pocket. Thanks, donors".

There are also records of other personal-type spending with foundation's funds, like a 2-person membership at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:26 am

Skinypupy wrote:
malchior wrote:
Xmann wrote:WTF

If there's a hell, and I'm not the believing kind, fuckers like this should rot there.

Shit like this boils my blood.

No freaking wonder women don't report abuse.
Lou Dobb's is really, really sorry.
Suuuuuuuuuuure he is.

In fact, he's so sorry that he deleted his apology for doing it.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:31 am

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:35 am

Trump's refusal to accept intelligence briefing on Russia stuns experts

The former officials, who have served presidents in both parties, say they were bewildered when Trump cast doubt on Russia's role after receiving a classified briefing on the subject and again after an unusually blunt statement from U.S. agencies saying they were "confident" that Moscow had orchestrated the attacks.

"It defies logic," retired Gen. Michael Hayden, former director of the CIA and the National Security Agency, said of Trump's pronouncements.

Trump has assured supporters that, if elected, he would surround himself with experts on defense and foreign affairs, where he has little experience. But when it comes to Russia, he has made it clear that he is not listening to intelligence officials, the former officials said.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:11 pm

Defiant wrote:Trump's refusal to accept intelligence briefing on Russia stuns experts

This defies understanding. Why would he think he knows more about Russia than the nonpartisan long-term intelligence experts? How does this even make sense to him and his team?

I'm not prepared to believe a conspiracy theory that he's in Russia's pocket. If nothing else, his handlers would coach him on how to make it look less obvious.

So it's got to be that (1) he truly believes he's smarter than anyone alive and that his untrained intuition beats anything any expert could know, (2) he trusts only loyal cronies (such as Stone with his line to WikiLeaks, Paul Manafort with his Eastern European lobbying connections, and Carter Page with his Gazprom-based Putinophilia) who have persuaded him of their superior expertise, or (3) he thinks the intelligence establishment is lying to him.

It could be a combination of these, but all of them point to an absurd and incredibly dangerous disconnection from reality. It's gone beyond stupid to genuinely scary.

Meanwhile, Trump's latest tweetstorm directly asserts that Clinton is rigging the election and that the media is colluding with her to lie about him.

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:31 pm

Option 3

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:48 pm

Trump, working for or with the Russians? Crazy talk...

In August, I wrote a column predicting that before the election Trump's tax returns would be hacked: "They'll likely show zero taxes paid, no charitable contributions, and scary ties to Russian oligarchs." Today we know that Trump paid no taxes and has next to zero charitable contributions. But we still don't understand his ties to Russian oligarchs. That shoe is about to fall.

During the October 9th debate, Hillary Clinton twice made an unusually strong condemnation of Russia: "Our intelligence community just... said that the Kremlin, meaning Putin and the Russian government, are directing the attacks, the hacking on American accounts to influence our election. And WikiLeaks is part of that... we don't even know if it's accurate information, and then they put it out. We have never in the history of our country been in a situation where an adversary, a foreign power, is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election... They're doing it to try to influence the election for Donald Trump."

Trump responded: "Anytime anything wrong happens, they like to say the Russians are -- [Hillary] doesn't know if it's the Russians doing the hacking. Maybe there is no hacking. But they always blame Russia. And the reason they blame Russia because they think they're trying to tarnish me with Russia... I know nothing about the inner workings of Russia. I don't deal there. I have no businesses there. I have no loans from Russia."

In a debate where Trump told 33 lies, few commented on Trump's remark, "Maybe there is no hacking." But, on October 10th, NBC News reported that Trump "was personally briefed on Russia's role in the hacks by U.S. officials."

We've gotten so used to Trump's lies that it's easy to dismiss this particular lie as, "Trump continuously lies because he can." But in a new book, "The Plot to Hack America," intelligence expert Malcolm Nance suggests that Trump is a pawn in Vladimir Putin's own version of "Game of Thrones;" Putin wants to humiliate President Obama and Secretary Clinton and is using Trump, together with Russian spy agencies, to accomplish his objectives.

Nance speculates that Putin has enlisted Trump by appealing to Trump's vanity and greed. In return, Trump has taken the most pro-Russia stance of any political candidate in recent memory. In the second debate, Trump suggested that the US should abandon Aleppo because "it has fallen." He "explained": "Syria is Russia" and "Russia is killing Isis." (It appeared that Trump was saying that all of the occupants of Aleppo belong to Isis -- something that is far from true). Trump has called Vladimir Putin a more capable leader than President Obama. He's called for normalizing relations with Russia, "Wouldn't it be nice if we actually got along, as an example, with Russia?"

Trump claims he has no financial ties to Russia: "I know nothing about the inner workings of Russia. I don't deal there. I have no businesses there. I have no loans from Russia." Here's what the Washington Post says: "There is all kinds of evidence, including statements from his advisers and family members that Trump has done business with Russia. Donald Trump Jr. said in 2008 that 'Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.' Alan Garten, general counsel of the Trump Organization, told our colleagues in May: 'I have no doubt, as a company, I know we've looked at deals in Russia. And many of the former Russian republics.' "

Time Magazine reported: "As major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What's more, several of Trump's senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians."

Trump could prove he has no financial ties to Russia by releasing his tax returns, but he refuses to do this. Conservative columnist George Will observed, "Perhaps one more reason why we're not seeing [Trump's] tax returns is because he is deeply involved in dealing with Russian oligarchs and others."

The hacking and publication of Trump's complete tax returns will be the ultimate October surprise. Given that Obama/Clinton are very irritated with Putin, coupled with the capabilities of American cyber-security services, it's very likely that Trump's tax returns will be released before November 8th.

I mean, only a crazy man would suggest that Obama/Clinton would use the NSA to hack Trump's tax returns. All it would take is an insider at the IRS.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:17 pm

Defiant wrote:

I thought we already had the answer to that one.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:26 pm

Holman wrote: So it's got to be that (1) he truly believes he's smarter than anyone alive and that his untrained intuition beats anything any expert could know, (2) he trusts only loyal cronies (such as Stone with his line to WikiLeaks, Paul Manafort with his Eastern European lobbying connections, and Carter Page with his Gazprom-based Putinophilia) who have persuaded him of their superior expertise, or (3) he thinks the intelligence establishment is lying to him.

Or (4) after five minutes his eyes glaze over and he starts mentally composing tweets.

He is said to have a very short attention span, so maybe he just can't follow the briefings.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:32 pm

Kraken wrote: He is said to have a very short attention span, so maybe he just can't follow the briefings.

The problem is that he himself has said that, so that gives better than even odds it's a lie.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:48 pm

Max Peck wrote:Trump, working for or with the Russians? Crazy talk...

Back in the 80s I read a book, The Spike by Arnaud De Borchgrave & Robert Moss, that had Soviet(it was the Cold War) agents placed high up in government. Not actual spies, but lackeys who were doing the bidding of the Soviets without realizing it.

This Trump/Russia thing seems like it could be a real life copies fiction deal. The key to working this is the Russians would not be exerting any kind of direct influence. They'd just have to dangle some bait out there, when Trump bites they set the hook. At that point what's he going to do? He has to play along, it's his only choice. He's in too deep.

The other book Trump's campaign reminds me of is The Dead Zone. There's a populist candidate in that book who winds up with much improbable political success. I found that one of the hardest to believe elements in that story, yet here we are.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:59 pm

Trump stokes flames regarding a rigged election.

What strikes me about this article is the quotes from his followers. I can think of no greater example of the outcome of ideologically-based entertainment news and social media. These people are clearly wrapped in their echo chamber. For *any* human being to believe that Trump is going to win the popular vote in a landslide...how is that possible?

You are either wholly incapable of processing information (all of which says he is likely to lose the popular vote by a not small margin); or you are only receiving wrong information (i.e. Everyone on your curated Facebook feed is pro-trump, so clearly everyone must be pro-trump).

In particular, the guy who is looking forward to intimidating voters at the polls. I assume he's aware that he's not allowed to do that...right?

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:10 pm

There is a whole lot of both stupid and scary packed into that article. I especially love this one:

“Trump said to watch your precincts. I’m going to go, for sure,” said Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter from Fairfield, Ohio.

“I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

People who can't "speak American"? He's going to "go right up behind them"? What the actual fuck??

I'd like to think they're the extreme outliers, but after watching the national dialog and hearing some of my own family members over the last couple weeks, I'm not so sure anymore.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:40 pm

So...just looking up the history of the electoral college on historycentral.com - nothing partisan about it, just a history site for educators, that's been online for 20 years. I toyed with the idea of PoliSci major in college and I still remember studying Federalist papers, but reading it now, in simple layman terms - the wording is striking, I think we've come full circle (emphasis mine).

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power.
[...]
Hamilton and the other founders believed that the electors would be able to insure that only a qualified person becomes President. They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped.

Not so hard to understand in 2016, is it?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:17 pm

Meanwhile, Trump continues his triumphant campaign for President of the Banana Republic of America.

A beleaguered Donald Trump sought to undermine the legitimacy of the U.S. presidential election on Saturday, pressing unsubstantiated claims the contest is rigged against him, vowing anew to jail Hillary Clinton if he's elected and throwing in a baseless insinuation his rival was on drugs in the last debate.

Not even the country's more than two centuries of peaceful transitions of political leadership were sacrosanct as Trump accused the media and the Clinton campaign of conspiring against him to undermine a free and fair election.

"The election is being rigged by corrupt media pushing completely false allegations and outright lies in an effort to elect her president," he said, referring to the several women who have come forward in recent days to say that Trump had groped or sexually assaulted them. He has denied the claims, calling the women liars.

Earlier Saturday, Trump took to Twitter to warn that "100% fabricated and made-up charges, pushed strongly by the media and the Clinton Campaign, may poison the minds of the American Voter. FIX!"

"Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted and should be in jail," he added. "Instead she is running for president in what looks like a rigged election."

In a country with a history of peaceful political transition, his challenge to the election's legitimacy - as a way to explain a loss in November, should that happen - was a striking rupture of faith in American democracy. Trump has repeatedly claimed without offering evidence that election fraud is a serious problem and encouraged his largely white supporters to "go and watch" polling places in certain areas to make sure things are "on the up and up."

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:29 pm

We're at the point where we have to ask if he's crazy enough to believe what he's saying or if he's just willing to destroy the country out of spite.

Because one way to lose an election--without having it stolen--is to pitch a fit and completely cut ties with the party chairman of your only achievable swing state three weeks before the election.

The Trump campaign has officially severed ties with Ohio's Republican Party Chairman Matt Borges just weeks before the presidential election in the must-win battleground, according to a letter sent by Trump's Ohio state director.

After Borges expressed concerns about Trump's tactics in numerous interviews this week, the Trump campaign wrote in a letter that "Chairman Borges does not represent or speak for the candidate and he no longer has any affiliation with the Trump-Pence campaign."

"This past week, Chairman Borges conduced a self-promotional media tour with state and national outlets to criticize our party's nominee. I have no idea what game he was playing," wrote Trump's Ohio state director Robert Paduchik in the letter flagged by the Columbus Dispatch. “It’s no great secret that Chairman Borges was never fully on board, but his actions over the last week demonstrate that his loyalties to Gov. John Kasich’s failed presidential campaign eclipse his responsibility as chairman of the Ohio Republican Party."

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:33 pm

Any chance this will destroy Pence's career? Because that would be a nice side benefit.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:40 pm

Trump wants both candidates to have a drug test before the 3rd debate.

During a campaign rally Saturday in New Hampshire, the GOP presidential nominee compared himself and Clinton to athletes.

"Athletes, they make them take a drug test, right. I think we should take a drug test prior to the debate," Trump said.

"Why don't we do that? We should take a drug test, prior, because I don't know what's going on with her, but at the beginning of her last debate, she was all pumped up at the beginning, and at the end it was like, 'Oh, take me down,' " Trump said, imitating Clinton. "She could barely reach her car.'"

Trump said he was willing to take drug test.

He is truly insane.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:00 pm

I think they should take a Poli Sci test.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:04 pm

Holman wrote:I think they should take a Poli Sci test.

How about the test given to naturalized citizens?

like the questions here

39.How many justices are on the Supreme Court?
▪ nine (9)

Hmm...

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:41 pm

This has been a bit of an awakening for me. I'm not blind, but I never quite took seriously how quickly everything could turn to shit. I mean, I knew it could - but seeing somebody actually lay that particular set of cards on the table is a little sobering.

I've just enough trust in our system to believe that it won't happen, but I do think it will be a while before the bees stop buzzing. At least Trump has guaranteed that they'll be marginalized for a few years.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:05 pm

Blackhawk wrote:This has been a bit of an awakening for me. I'm not blind, but I never quite took seriously how quickly everything could turn to shit. I mean, I knew it could - but seeing somebody actually lay that particular set of cards on the table is a little sobering.

I've just enough trust in our system to believe that it won't happen, but I do think it will be a while before the bees stop buzzing. At least Trump has guaranteed that they'll be marginalized for a few years.

This is why every remaining sane Republican--from McConnell and Ryan to the least significant Representative and City Councilperson--needs to put aside electoral gamesmanship and disavow Trump in the strongest possible terms. We're at the point where Trump is putting all his influence into delegitimizing democracy. No one should stand with that.

Hell, he can't win anyway. You'd think Republicans would see that it's in the best interests of the party to cut him off now. The GOP can still claim some enduring legitimacy if it solidly rejects Trump and casts him out.

If they don't, history should give them absolutely everything they deserve.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:13 pm

Skinypupy wrote:
Trump said he was willing to take drug test.
He is truly insane.

Hillary is taking performance enhancing drugs? That's called being more experienced, more intelligent, and less crazy.

I don't believe for a minute Trump would accept the legitimacy of some doctor testing his piss. Cocaine testing is known to have a liberal bias.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:17 pm

GreenGoo wrote:Any chance this will destroy Pence's career? Because that would be a nice side benefit.

They will still be sifting through the ashes four years from now. It really looks like Trump is trying hard to burn the country down if he doesn't prevail. And if he does prevail, he'll burn it down without trying. The man is a full-blown psychotic.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:14 pm

Now he's got Sheriff Clarke calling for armed insurrection.

Geebus.

And amidst all the sturm und drang, even if the press is biased against him (and why wouldn't it be at this point?) that's not what "rigging the election" means.

Nitwit.

I'd feel sorry for his kids if they weren't his kids.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:17 pm

The people of Milwaukee County need to have him removed from office forthwith.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:18 pm

From the Tweeter: who are you going to believe: women who say they were groped or a man who says he gropes women? It's a real 'he and she both said' situation.

Papa Smurph · Post by **Papa Smurph** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:20 pm

So, who do I contact to stress that the police need to be watching the polling places to prevent voter intimidation? I'm thinking I need to contact my local police department, mayor and governor. Does that sound right? I'm in Georgia, so I'm a bit concerned the police will be biased, but I mostly still have faith in them doing their job despite their political opinions. I think. I hope. If not, we might be screwed.

Oh, hell, who am I kidding. I'm pretty sure there will be violence in this election. Is it too late to ask for the U.N. to send observers to make sure the elections are fair?

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:32 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:The people of Milwaukee County need to have him removed from office forthwith.

For no other reason than that jacket.

Where have I seen that look before? Oh yeah.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:34 pm

Thanks for using the bigimg tags.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:23 am

And the latest lead in my news feed says "Clinton holds 4-point lead after Trump tape." Four points?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:43 am

I imagine that's one individual poll. The RCP average has her at +5.3 in a four way race, and +6.7 in a two way race.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:26 am

You know who else is rigging the election? Alec Baldwin.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:22 am

It's funny how quickly Trump's opinion on SNL has changed since he was hosting.

Then:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 1431246848

Now:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 2654155776

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:24 am

Be he admits he is watching.

No such thing as bad publicity.

At least that is what they say.