That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
Just spoke to a Trump administration official about the transgender military decision. Here's what they said... pic.twitter.com/eOWdvlxTfd
— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) July 26, 2017
Ah, so it's really *not* about "tremendous medical costs and disruption" at all, but owning the libs
— Mark Gongloff (@markgongloff) July 26, 2017
"The money is negligible," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs who is transgender, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget."
Considering that Takei was one of those Japanese-Americans imprisoned, I'm pretty sure he knows a good bit about FDR.Moliere wrote:This is stupid and shows George is a one issue guy. FDR literally confiscated the property and imprisoned Japanese Americans. That sounds petty and cruel.tgb wrote:Oh, my.
I know. That's my point about calling him a single issue guy.Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Considering that Takei was one of those Japanese-Americans imprisoned, I'm pretty sure he knows a good bit about FDR.
Holman wrote:Did this really happen?
I just read that Sarah Huckabee Sanders announced that they were going to start some press briefings by reading letters from citizens, and she starts with one from "nine-year-old Dylan" who wrote to Trump to tell him that he loves him and doesn't understand why some people don't.
That is some Pyongyang flower girl bullshit right there. What are they thinking? Does this president require flattery at all times?
Holy Shit. You can watch it right here:
"I'm happy to say that I directly spoke to the president, Dylan, and he would be more than happy to be your friend."
Great Leader loves all loyal children of Motherland!
Or, you know, some people are passionate and don't reach into the annals of time to verify every statement they make against all of known history. I'm willing to bet that equality is a big thing on his radar, probably bigger than it is on mine or yours.Moliere wrote:This is stupid and shows George is a one issue guy. FDR literally confiscated the property and imprisoned Japanese Americans. That sounds petty and cruel. FDR also allowed the Jews to get slaughtered instead of increasing the immigration of Jews and bombing the train tracks leading to the the death camps. Again, kind of petty and cruel. Jackson was both cruel and petty when it came to the Indians. Other Presidents were slave owners. Announcing Trump as the worst President ever is as ignorant as Trump calling himself the greatest President ever.tgb wrote:Oh, my.
The annals of time and all of known history? He made a blanket statement covering a couple dozen guys over the last 200 odd years. I'm pretty sure my examples of how Japanese Americans and Indians were treated should be included in your equality calculation.Paingod wrote:Or, you know, some people are passionate and don't reach into the annals of time to verify every statement they make against all of known history. I'm willing to bet that equality is a big thing on his radar, probably bigger than it is on mine or yours.
Cruelest depends on a point of view. Yours is not better than his...well, except that he lived through the FDR thing.Moliere wrote:I'm all about people critiquing Trump. Just don't say stupid shit like he's worse than Hitler or the cruelest President ever. So far, he is neither.
We can at least agree on "stupidest, most incompetent, and pettiest," right?Moliere wrote:The annals of time and all of known history? He made a blanket statement covering a couple dozen guys over the last 200 odd years. I'm pretty sure my examples of how Japanese Americans and Indians were treated should be included in your equality calculation.Paingod wrote:Or, you know, some people are passionate and don't reach into the annals of time to verify every statement they make against all of known history. I'm willing to bet that equality is a big thing on his radar, probably bigger than it is on mine or yours.
From an arbitrary, where he sits in relation to the world around him, I put him on par with Andrew Jackson for being the worst and cruelest, and it's (not so) funny to me that he seems idolize Jackson.Moliere wrote:The annals of time and all of known history? He made a blanket statement covering a couple dozen guys over the last 200 odd years. I'm pretty sure my examples of how Japanese Americans and Indians were treated should be included in your equality calculation.Paingod wrote:Or, you know, some people are passionate and don't reach into the annals of time to verify every statement they make against all of known history. I'm willing to bet that equality is a big thing on his radar, probably bigger than it is on mine or yours.
Let's compare and see if there is an objective level of which is crueler:stessier wrote:Cruelest depends on a point of view. Yours is not better than his...well, except that he lived through the FDR thing.Moliere wrote:I'm all about people critiquing Trump. Just don't say stupid shit like he's worse than Hitler or the cruelest President ever. So far, he is neither.
Oh, his butcher's bill can sky rocket once he takes credit for removing healthcare from 26 million people.Moliere wrote:Let's compare and see if there is an objective level of which is crueler:stessier wrote:Cruelest depends on a point of view. Yours is not better than his...well, except that he lived through the FDR thing.Moliere wrote:I'm all about people critiquing Trump. Just don't say stupid shit like he's worse than Hitler or the cruelest President ever. So far, he is neither.
Jackson: 4000 Indians die as the result of their removal and relocation.
FDR: Over 100,000 Japanese Americans are forced into internment camps for years, losing their property and liberty.
Trump: Transgender people can't serve in the military.
I would argue that objectively speaking, Trump's actions cannot be called the cruelest ever. You can call Trump's action bad, but historically speaking, not the worst ever.
Tao wrote:One possible reason for Trumps sudden stance on transgender military ban as reported by Politico. Seems somewhat plausible;
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/2 ... nes-240990
Basically a knee-jerk reaction to someone telling Trump transgender in the military could threaten his Wall funding.
This president is so easily manipulated into doing stupid things.“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded...
...By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.
The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.
After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2017
linkAt the Pentagon, the first of the three tweets raised fears that the president was getting ready to announce strikes on North Korea or some other military action. Many said they were left in suspense for nine minutes, the time between the first and second tweet. Only after the second tweet did military officials receive the news the president was announcing a personnel change on Twitter.
Defiant wrote:After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2017linkAt the Pentagon, the first of the three tweets raised fears that the president was getting ready to announce strikes on North Korea or some other military action. Many said they were left in suspense for nine minutes, the time between the first and second tweet. Only after the second tweet did military officials receive the news the president was announcing a personnel change on Twitter.
Thinking about this a bit more, I'm a bit freaked out right now.Defiant wrote:After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2017linkAt the Pentagon, the first of the three tweets raised fears that the president was getting ready to announce strikes on North Korea or some other military action. Many said they were left in suspense for nine minutes, the time between the first and second tweet. Only after the second tweet did military officials receive the news the president was announcing a personnel change on Twitter.
Well, I'm just glad that I'm Jewish. I can rest easy.tgb wrote:No stranger to authoritarianism, Gary Kasparov commented yesterday that this is a classic distraction - get your base riled up against the Others. So far this week we've had this and pretty young white girls being slashed by dark foreigners.
Who's next?
So far he's been laying off. I don't get it.El Guapo wrote:Well, I'm just glad that I'm Jewish. I can rest easy.tgb wrote:No stranger to authoritarianism, Gary Kasparov commented yesterday that this is a classic distraction - get your base riled up against the Others. So far this week we've had this and pretty young white girls being slashed by dark foreigners.
Who's next?
We're probably safe, then.tgb wrote:So far he's been laying off. I don't get it.El Guapo wrote:Well, I'm just glad that I'm Jewish. I can rest easy.tgb wrote:No stranger to authoritarianism, Gary Kasparov commented yesterday that this is a classic distraction - get your base riled up against the Others. So far this week we've had this and pretty young white girls being slashed by dark foreigners.
Who's next?
Well, but an incompetently-managed crisis can make things worse - see Katrina and Bush, for example. Given Trump's incompetence and trust gap with most of the public, not sure either a storm or a war would wind up helping him.Octavious wrote:I'm waiting for the well timed war. That's always a great way to boost popularity. Or he could get lucky and have gigantic storm come through. Even Christie the second biggest asshole in the country got a big boon from that.
Think more in terms of a health care crisis too. E.g. Reagan and AIDS. Ignored for far too long because it was perceived as a gay disease which the administration wanted nothing to do with.El Guapo wrote:Well, but an incompetently-managed crisis can make things worse - see Katrina and Bush, for example. Given Trump's incompetence and trust gap with most of the public, not sure either a storm or a war would wind up helping him.Octavious wrote:I'm waiting for the well timed war. That's always a great way to boost popularity. Or he could get lucky and have gigantic storm come through. Even Christie the second biggest asshole in the country got a big boon from that.
One theory gaining traction is that hitting LBGT soldiers was meant to woo cultural conservatives dismayed by Trump's turn against their man Jeff Sessions.tgb wrote:No stranger to authoritarianism, Gary Kasparov commented yesterday that this is a classic distraction - get your base riled up against the Others. So far this week we've had this and pretty young white girls being slashed by dark foreigners.
Who's next?
You can thank Ivanka for that one.tgb wrote:So far he's been laying off. I don't get it.El Guapo wrote:Well, I'm just glad that I'm Jewish. I can rest easy.tgb wrote:No stranger to authoritarianism, Gary Kasparov commented yesterday that this is a classic distraction - get your base riled up against the Others. So far this week we've had this and pretty young white girls being slashed by dark foreigners.
Who's next?
