BSG IV -Revhempus Smoked -Humans win.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:48 pm

stessier wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:There's a reason Andy only gave one bullet to deputy Fife...
Listen, Backshot - Kraegor and I at least hit Bad Guys. You can speak up when you join the club.

To be fair, Grund was going to claim one of our specials was a bad guy. There were worse possible outcomes from that shot.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:49 pm

Unagi wrote: link please?

put both hands back on the damn table!!

purge · Post by **purge** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:52 pm

what's the count at?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:52 pm

I'll speak directly to Apollo. Dude, grow a sack.

Apollo in the open dies. Show me how it's bad. What nighttime scan is so important that we must have apollo alive?

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:57 pm

Unagi wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:
Kraegor wrote:wow bakhtosh, you keep throwin out ideas to maximize night time kill efficiency.
Funny, I seem to be the one who's advocating keeping the Cylons in the dark. You're the one suggesting we narrow down the pool of unknowns and give the Cylons more information with the bonus of killing one of our seers.
I think that may be because you, as a cylon, are NOT in the dark?

After tonight, things will quite possibly be even more ambiguous for us. Can't you see that?

CHRIST!

Where's the Kriminal Sopina when you need it?

Give me ONE FUCKING SCENARIO where Apollo's scan of Sean = Cavil affects today's vote!

I've ALREADY shown you how Apollo coming out will HURT us by losing his scan ability! A known Apollo WILL die tonight! Does anyone doubt that? How does that help us? A known Apollo WILL narrow down the pool of unknowns that Starbuck, Tory and the other specialists are hiding in. How does THAT help us?

Name one FUCKING way I've hurt our team with my suggestions. YOU CAN'T! Because I am a human working for the humans! I want the humans to WIN! I'm working to get the humans a WIN. I'm not the one stroking MY ego here.

Fuck it. I'm out and will show back up tomorrow. I don't think I've ever seen a group of provens try so hard to give the bad guys extra time to win.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:01 pm

Scoop20906 ------------------
Unagi ------------------ stessier
Chaosraven ------------------ scoop
Grundbegriff ------------------
RevHempus ------------------ scoop
stessier ------------------ scoop
Remus West ------------------ stessier
redrun ------------------ stessier
mipe ------------------ scoop
Bakhtosh ------------------ scoop
purge ------------------ stessier
kraegor ------------------ scoop
------------------
Scoop20906 --- 6
---
stessier --- 4
---

Majority is 7

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:07 pm

Bakhtosh throws up his hands in frustration. "Frak it" he screams. "I've never seen so many people trying to help the Cylons win! You people need to use your brains. Frak! Some of you need brains!"
With that Bakhtosh pulls a piece of Austin's dried brains off his face and shoves it in stessier's face. "Here, use this!" Bakhtosh turns and storms from the room.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:07 pm

You answered your own question bakhtosh. It's chess, not checkers.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:10 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
stessier wrote:
Remus West wrote:I can not get past the implication that he knows what Cylon Sean was.
What an odd hangup. Is there any reason I couldn't know?

I need a translator for that one.

Is there any reason Stessier couldn't know which Cylon Sean was?

Stess is a converted 10, Cavil, or Seven
Stess is Apollo
Stess is a human who's been raiding Rev's stash

Stessier plans to come out as Apollo tomorrow, after he get's his scan tonight that Mr.Bubbles was Apollo.
(that's my guess)

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:11 pm

Bakhtosh wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a group of provens try so hard to give the bad guys extra time to win.

What you see is me creating conversation out of nothing.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:19 pm

Lassr wrote:Scoop20906 ------------------
Unagi ------------------ stessier
Chaosraven ------------------ scoop
Grundbegriff ------------------
RevHempus ------------------ scoop
stessier ------------------ scoop
Remus West ------------------ stessier
redrun ------------------ stessier
mipe ------------------ scoop
Bakhtosh ------------------ scoop
purge ------------------ stessier
kraegor ------------------ scoop
------------------
Scoop20906 --- 6
---
stessier --- 4
---

Majority is 7

Majority 7.
Scoop is at 6.
Cylons in a bit of a pickle...

I am betting that there is a Bad cylon (or 2) on this list:
Chaosraven nope
RevHempus
stessier
mipe nope
Bakhtosh
kraegor nope

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:22 pm

Unagi wrote: Cylons in a bit of a pickle...

I am betting that there is a Bad cylon (or 2) on this list:
Chaosraven nope
RevHempus
stessier
mipe nope
Bakhtosh
kraegor nope

with this. you blinked.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:24 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
stessier wrote:
Remus West wrote:I can not get past the implication that he knows what Cylon Sean was.
What an odd hangup. Is there any reason I couldn't know?

I need a translator for that one.

Is there any reason Stessier couldn't know which Cylon Sean was?

Stess is a converted 10, Cavil, or Seven
Stess is Apollo
Stess is a human who's been raiding Rev's stash

As I said before, stessier has put himself in a position where he is either 7, Cavil, or Apollo. As such he needs to face the fire since 2/3 are bad and the third can come forward.

BTW, losing Apollo costs us nothing really. Costing us Starbuck tonight costs us little. Costing us anyone other than Athena tonight is fine. We are all expendable in exchange for Athena living. If they choose to kill an Apollo claimant that is fine since we can not trust a live unscanned Apollo. Same for any other special still in hiding.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:25 pm

I sense some fatigue here.

Anyway, Stess, you have done a hella job of looking, well, useless. I see Unagi's projection. I'm not so sure but I also know you are capable of changing your playstyle to fit the circumstances.

Stessier

I hope you are a cylon. I'm worried a few misses could make this an aweful endgame decision for those left holding the bag.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:29 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:I've ALREADY shown you how Apollo coming out will HURT us by losing his scan ability! A known Apollo WILL die tonight! Does anyone doubt that? How does that help us? A known Apollo WILL narrow down the pool of unknowns that Starbuck, Tory and the other specialists are hiding in. How does THAT help us?

If Apollo dies tonight by coming forward what does it matter if he narrows the pool for the others to hide in? Besides, if they have not scanned Apollo and 10 is still out there then they risk killing 10 by taking him out tonight. What are you hoping he will tell us other than what role Sean had? Semaj and Sean may or may not have been specials. It does not matter. Without a human scan we can not trust any specials anyway.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:29 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Unagi wrote: Cylons in a bit of a pickle...

I am betting that there is a Bad cylon (or 2) on this list:
Chaosraven nope
RevHempus
stessier
mipe nope
Bakhtosh
kraegor nope
with this. you blinked.

I don't follow, could you explain?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:32 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I see Unagi's projection.

What's that mean?

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:33 pm

Remus West wrote:As I said before, stessier has put himself in a position where he is either 7, Cavil, or Apollo. As such he needs to face the fire since 2/3 are bad and the third can come forward.

BTW, losing Apollo costs us nothing really. Costing us Starbuck tonight costs us little. Costing us anyone other than Athena tonight is fine. We are all expendable in exchange for Athena living. If they choose to kill an Apollo claimant that is fine since we can not trust a live unscanned Apollo. Same for any other special still in hiding.

/shrug. I gave him every reason and a few insults to come forward.

stessier

miping apollo is not a smart move.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:39 pm

Unagi wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I see Unagi's projection.
What's that mean?

Your projection of what Stessier's possible moves tomorrow will be.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:45 pm

withdraw stessier

stessier you have an opportunity to claim to be apollo.
should you play the "joke" card, my vote will return to you.

Lassr, ETA to bedtime/deadline?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:46 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I see Unagi's projection.
What's that mean?
Your projection of what Stessier's possible moves tomorrow will be.

Ahh, I thought you were seeing things on the wall.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:53 pm

Kraegor wrote: withdraw stessier

stessier you have an opportunity to claim to be apollo.
should you play the "joke" card, my vote will return to you.

Lassr, ETA to bedtime/deadline?

And THIS is what I have been waiting for too.

C'mon stessier. Let's hear it. Apollo or No.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:35 pm

Kraegor wrote: withdraw stessier

stessier you have an opportunity to claim to be apollo.
should you play the "joke" card, my vote will return to you.

Lassr, ETA to bedtime/deadline?

Go ahead with your vote.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:36 pm

Sorry if I was holding things up. Just finished meeting with the Real Estate Agent. Not trying to be difficult.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:42 pm

I have to give my daughter a bath. Give me an hour for some parting thoughts, if you don't mind.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:23 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
stessier wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:There's a reason Andy only gave one bullet to deputy Fife...
Listen, Backshot - Kraegor and I at least hit Bad Guys. You can speak up when you join the club.

To be fair, Grund was going to claim one of our specials was a bad guy. There were worse possible outcomes from that shot.

Yes, but you didn't know that. You shot me in the belief that I was a bad guy on the brink of outing a good Special.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:50 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:Yes, but you didn't know that. You shot me in the belief that I was a bad guy on the brink of outing a good Special.

Out of everything that was written, this is what you choose to respond to???

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:02 pm

stessier wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Yes, but you didn't know that. You shot me in the belief that I was a bad guy on the brink of outing a good Special.

Out of everything that was written, this is what you choose to respond to???

It's the only thing I've read!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:03 pm

Some concluding thoughts:

I'm nothing worth keeping around and please don't scan me tonight.
I recommend Athena scan Unagi. I'm sure he's worth it, but I have no idea what side he is on.
Don't give purge or Rev a pass. Purge has made a nebulous claim. Rev has popped in without posting. Silence is bad for us.
I think Apollo is dead.
I think Bakhtosh has been very kind to me, and there is no reason for it. He has repeatedly said "In fairness to him" about the things I've said. Why would anyone give me the benefit of the doubt?
Scoop's list really is damning. 2 0906. No dots on 9 or 6. Nine and six happen to be Sean and Austin. If you don't scan Unagi, scan Scoop.
Redrun must have played these games a lot before. He has been very under control throughout the game. It will be interesting to find out his role on the Other Side.
The whole Kurt Cobain quote...was just a quote. I don't follow music and the lyrics just popped into my head. Never occurred to me that it would be code for Helo. If only I were that smart. Amazing how people can find meaning in anything, though.

I guess that is about it. I've seen things that can't be forgotten (no, I'm not Baltar), and it's time for me to go.

Good Luck!
Citizen Stessier

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:10 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Lassr, ETA to bedtime/deadline?

You have through the weekend.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:11 pm

Scoop20906 ------------------ stessier
Unagi ------------------ stessier
Chaosraven ------------------ scoop
Grundbegriff ------------------
RevHempus ------------------ scoop
stessier ------------------ scoop
Remus West ------------------ stessier
redrun ------------------ stessier
mipe ------------------ scoop
Bakhtosh ------------------ scoop
purge ------------------ stessier
kraegor ------------------
------------------
Scoop20906 --- 5
---
stessier --- 5
---

Majority is 7

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:05 pm

a neutral response much in the same vein as scoop's.
both current targets, under suspicion based on spurious pattern analysis.

ya'll can go with typos and innuendo as your barometer. I'm goin questionable strategies.

Unagi's managed to attack both targets. Got 1 wagon swinging because Remus voted that way. Got another because Unagi created the evidence. got 2-3 votes from braindead automatons on each.

Austin wrote:For the record, if Sean turns out to be a citizen or good special - it was just a poke. How dare you people be so rash and harsh. If he's evil then I simply used my powers of deduction and chose correctly of course.

Austin didn't know. consider the speed the wagon gained. Austin was the second vote. stessier and austin both voted for sean. they started the wagon. is this the behavior of 2 people who knew what sean was? stessier solidified the lynch by preventing Unagi's retraction.

if stessier is evil it's more likely Sean was an accidental kill. Which means he was either 10 or 7.
according to remus, stessier's "mistake" was that he presumed 10 would be found.

-----------------

Divergent viewpoints.

Bahktosh believes Sean was Cavil. In order for Sean to be Cavil he has to reject all the evidence against stessier and must then preume that Austin killed his partner because he felt... well fuck that guy never liked him much anyway...

there was ZERO reason for austin to avoid retracting his vote. the movement against Sean was cursory.

so why is Bahktosh convinced Sean = cavil? Is Austin guilty of being AFK and not retracting his vote soon enough?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:08 pm

META:

I will be leaving for South Field, MI tomorrow (Friday) morning for a wedding on Saturday.
I'll be back Sunday night.

/META

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:19 pm

Kraegor wrote: Bahktosh believes Sean was Cavil. In order for Sean to be Cavil he has to reject all the evidence against stessier and must then preume that Austin killed his partner because he felt... well fuck that guy never liked him much anyway...

there was ZERO reason for austin to avoid retracting his vote. the movement against Sean was cursory.

so why is Bahktosh convinced Sean = cavil? Is Austin guilty of being AFK and not retracting his vote soon enough?

Scoop voted for Sean. Bakhtosh does not believe 10 has been activated. Scoop by extension must be 7 as it's the only role left.

Bakhtosh does not want us to confirm this information via Apollo scan today.

if scoop is 7 he KNEW he was killing an AFK Cavil and did it anyway... just like austin... so yeah they really hate sean...

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:23 pm

so to answer a question Bakhtosh asked me: Why do we need apollo today? Well if we'd like to figure out which target is the correct one, perhaps first we should figure out wtf chose to kill Sean. Accident based on ignorance or timing?

But right now, based on game behavior the weakest case is against Scoop and yet Bahktosh is absotively and posolutely convinced it is air tight. And the best way to keep it air tight is to make certain apollo stays quiet or his alive-atude remains in question.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:54 pm

Unagi wrote:META:

I will be leaving for South Field, MI tomorrow (Friday) morning for a wedding on Saturday.
I'll be back Sunday night.

/META

You will be literally like 10-15 minutes from me, Chaosraven, and LordMortis. If you do not call us to fill any free time you might have with gaming (or at least making fun of each other for these games) I shall be deeply offended. I'll PM mynumber in case you did not keep it after the last BSG game.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:59 pm

Kraegor wrote:so to answer a question Bakhtosh asked me: Why do we need apollo today? Well if we'd like to figure out which target is the correct one, perhaps first we should figure out wtf chose to kill Sean. Accident based on ignorance or timing?

But right now, based on game behavior the weakest case is against Scoop and yet Bahktosh is absotively and posolutely convinced it is air tight. And the best way to keep it air tight is to make certain apollo stays quiet or his alive-atude remains in question.

I am good with either Bakhtosh or stessier today. They are my top two suspects. One of the things that interests me is that not a single person, intent on not narrowing the pool for the Cylons, has said anything about my naming suspects. Do they think I am running my brothers up the flag pole to see what falls down?

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:09 am

Withdraw Stessier

Unagi

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:07 am

Hey now, you've upset the balance.

Withdraw Scoop, accuse Stessier

(and I've played this Face to Face with redrun, as well as a multitude of other games... he's creepy)

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:28 am

Kraegor wrote: And the best way to keep it air tight is to make certain apollo stays quiet or his alive-atude remains in question.

Dude, I'm pretty sure Apollo is dead at this point. If he didn't come out to denounce me, why do you think your logic is going to get him to magically appear?