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Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:45 am**

hepcat wrote:Overreact much, snowflake?

There's a huge difference between a scene in a film or tv show in which folks wears dark clothing and face paint in order to blend in for the sake of stealth during a break in/night mission, and someone putting on a wig, heavy shoe polish and standing next to someone in a Klan outfit for the sake of...well...not sure what that was all about. But I'm assuming it wasn't a Seal Team Six operation.

Sheesh, you far right folks are so easily scared that everyone's out to get you that you've probably hired someone to make sure there's no Ginsburg or Ocasio-Cortez under your bed or in your closet at night. Do you sleep with a Rush Limbaugh night light? You know, the one that's viagra blue?

"DAMMIT YOU'LL ONLY GET OUR GUNS AND PILLOW CASES AND BLACK SHOE POLISH FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS BEFORE WE GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS TO THE SOCIALISTS"

In regards to the Governor's troubles, I'm thinking he mixed up his blackface appearances and that's why you had the change in apologies. And with a nickname like "Coonman" it may have been a running theme with this guy.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:51 am**

$iljanus wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:45 am
hepcat wrote:Overreact much, snowflake?

There's a huge difference between a scene in a film or tv show in which folks wears dark clothing and face paint in order to blend in for the sake of stealth during a break in/night mission, and someone putting on a wig, heavy shoe polish and standing next to someone in a Klan outfit for the sake of...well...not sure what that was all about. But I'm assuming it wasn't a Seal Team Six operation.

Sheesh, you far right folks are so easily scared that everyone's out to get you that you've probably hired someone to make sure there's no Ginsburg or Ocasio-Cortez under your bed or in your closet at night. Do you sleep with a Rush Limbaugh night light? You know, the one that's viagra blue?
"DAMMIT YOU'LL ONLY GET OUR GUNS AND PILLOW CASES AND BLACK SHOE POLISH FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS BEFORE WE GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS TO THE SOCIALISTS"

Are we waiting for old age or opiates?

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am**

Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:00 pm**

El Guapo wrote:Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.

Yup, he really needs to do the "greatest good for the people of Virginia" thing and fall on his sword. Politics is optics and his mind-boggling reverse on day two kind of sealed his fate.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:06 pm**

El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.

The Lt. Gov has his own issues to deal with.

RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax has “never assaulted anyone — ever — in any way, shape, or form,” his Chief of Staff and Communications Director wrote in a statement issued at about 3 a.m. Monday.

The statement was issued following the publication of a woman’s Facebook post about a sexual assault 15 years ago.

Bigleaguepolitics.com, the same website that broke the story about a racist photo appearing on Virginia Governor Ralph Northan’s medical school yearbook page, also published the story about the claim.

Fun times.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:07 pm**

$iljanus wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:00 pm
El Guapo wrote:Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
Yup, he really needs to do the "greatest good for the people of Virginia" thing and fall on his sword. Politics is optics and his mind-boggling reverse on day two kind of sealed his fate.

Yeah, we came *so close* to potentially having an interesting discussion topic on this. Like, if he'd stuck with his initial apology (which was pretty good, as political apologies go), I think it would have been interesting to discuss whether (given his contrition) he ought to resign or not. But his ridiculous about-face on this stuff I think makes it pretty much impossible to defend him.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:32 pm**

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:06 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
The Lt. Gov has his own issues to deal with.

RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax has “never assaulted anyone — ever — in any way, shape, or form,” his Chief of Staff and Communications Director wrote in a statement issued at about 3 a.m. Monday.

The statement was issued following the publication of a woman’s Facebook post about a sexual assault 15 years ago.

Bigleaguepolitics.com, the same website that broke the story about a racist photo appearing on Virginia Governor Ralph Northan’s medical school yearbook page, also published the story about the claim.
Fun times.

Apparently the Washington Post had that story around the time of the inauguration last year, but after months of research, they couldn't verify it as true, so they didn't run it.

Of course, a far right wing blog site is gonna push out there anyway. Because why not.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:50 pm**

pr0ner wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:32 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:06 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
The Lt. Gov has his own issues to deal with.

RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax has “never assaulted anyone — ever — in any way, shape, or form,” his Chief of Staff and Communications Director wrote in a statement issued at about 3 a.m. Monday.

The statement was issued following the publication of a woman’s Facebook post about a sexual assault 15 years ago.

Bigleaguepolitics.com, the same website that broke the story about a racist photo appearing on Virginia Governor Ralph Northan’s medical school yearbook page, also published the story about the claim.
Fun times.
Apparently the Washington Post had that story around the time of the inauguration last year, but after months of research, they couldn't verify it as true, so they didn't run it.

Of course, a far right wing blog site is gonna push out there anyway. Because why not.

Makes sense to uncork this now, insofar as Fairfax is reasonably likely to be governor soon, and it helps paint a picture of broader dysfunction / wrongdoing among Democrats.

Hopefully it's not true. The unequivocal denial combined with the Post declining to run with it are good signs in that respect.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:06 pm**

hepcat wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:21 am Overreact much, snowflake?

There's a huge difference between a scene in a film or tv show in which folks wears dark clothing and face paint in order to blend in for the sake of stealth during a break in/night mission, and someone putting on a wig, heavy shoe polish and standing next to someone in a Klan outfit for the sake of...well...not sure what that was all about.

He knows that. He's just seeing who he can get to waste time responding to him.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:10 pm**

Good thing I'm the only one who doesn't know that and responds, huh!?

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:18 pm**

hepcat wrote:Good thing I'm the only one who doesn't know that and responds, huh!?

I just used the post to highlight the concerns of the alt-right over their right to use shoe polish, cut holes in their pillow cases and I probably should add the use of tiki torches outside the usual use at an evening outdoors dinner party. They certainly have a hard time with all their worries.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:25 pm**

As an aside, I think the alt right needs to work smarter, not harder. For example: if you're buying your tiki torch for a march on your right to keep racist monuments in public places, go the extra mile and buy torch fuel with citronella. That way, you're fighting for racist beliefs while fending off biting and stinging insects.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:50 pm**

El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.

Virginia governors cannot serve consecutive terms. So it's not that.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:12 pm**

raydude wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:50 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
Virginia governors cannot serve consecutive terms. So it's not that.

If Fairfax becomes Governor of Virginia because Northam decides to resign, he can run again in 2021 because he was not elected to the position originally.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:27 pm**

pr0ner wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:12 pm
raydude wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:50 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
Virginia governors cannot serve consecutive terms. So it's not that.
If Fairfax becomes Governor of Virginia because Northam decides to resign, he can run again in 2021 because he was not elected to the position originally.

But if Northam does not resign and serves out his term then he can not run again so the Dems would still be running a candidate without the scandal.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:33 pm**

Remus West wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:27 pm
pr0ner wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:12 pm
raydude wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:50 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
Virginia governors cannot serve consecutive terms. So it's not that.
If Fairfax becomes Governor of Virginia because Northam decides to resign, he can run again in 2021 because he was not elected to the position originally.
But if Northam does not resign and serves out his term then he can not run again so the Dems would still be running a candidate without the scandal.

Yeah, I didn't know about the one consecutive term limit. But still, the Democrats don't have much reason to prefer having Northam as governor to Fairfax (unless the assault allegations against Fairfax get more legs, I suppose).

This also means that Northam doesn't have much incentive to resign, though. He couldn't run for reelection anyway, and if he resigns now he'll be more or less permanently in disgrace, whereas if he stays he can make more news to put this more in the rearview mirror.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:55 pm**

Remus West wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:27 pm
pr0ner wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:12 pm
raydude wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:50 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
Virginia governors cannot serve consecutive terms. So it's not that.
If Fairfax becomes Governor of Virginia because Northam decides to resign, he can run again in 2021 because he was not elected to the position originally.
But if Northam does not resign and serves out his term then he can not run again so the Dems would still be running a candidate without the scandal.

He couldn't run again in 2021, but he could run again in 2025 if he really wanted (but why would he?).

Barring something strange, there will probably be quite the battle between Justin Fairfax (whether he's actually Governor or still Lt. Governor) and current Attorney General Mark Herring (who beat Fairfax for the Democratic AG nomination in 2013) for the 2021 Democratic nomination.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:07 pm**

El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:50 pm
pr0ner wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:32 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:06 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am Part of the reason why Democrats are so universally calling for Northam to resign is that there's every political incentive for that. Northam would just get replaced by the Democratic Lt. Governor, and they'd rather have a governor running for reelection without a racism scandal than one running with one. It would be more divisive if he was going to be replaced by a Republican.
The Lt. Gov has his own issues to deal with.

RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax has “never assaulted anyone — ever — in any way, shape, or form,” his Chief of Staff and Communications Director wrote in a statement issued at about 3 a.m. Monday.

The statement was issued following the publication of a woman’s Facebook post about a sexual assault 15 years ago.

Bigleaguepolitics.com, the same website that broke the story about a racist photo appearing on Virginia Governor Ralph Northan’s medical school yearbook page, also published the story about the claim.
Fun times.
Apparently the Washington Post had that story around the time of the inauguration last year, but after months of research, they couldn't verify it as true, so they didn't run it.

Of course, a far right wing blog site is gonna push out there anyway. Because why not.
Makes sense to uncork this now, insofar as Fairfax is reasonably likely to be governor soon, and it helps paint a picture of broader dysfunction / wrongdoing among Democrats.

Hopefully it's not true. The unequivocal denial combined with the Post declining to run with it are good signs in that respect.

Post is calling bullshit, but not in the way Fairfax would like:

“The Post did not find ‘significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegations,’ as the Fairfax statement incorrectly said,” the Washington Post said in a story published Monday, sharply disputing the lieutenant governor's statement.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:18 pm**

Holy shit, my state's drama is increasing.

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1092526039903936512

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:37 pm**

So, explain to me again how democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow and slavery?

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:53 pm**

Sure, but this time pay attention. Constantly having to educate you on the same thing is getting tedious.

Also, your posting history makes it almost impossible to take you seriously on this particular topic.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:48 pm**

em2nought wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:37 pm So, explain to me again how democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow and slavery?

Here's a solid, grounded thread for you.

https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/ ... 2418092034

You know this has come up many times on OO before, right? It's almost like you're being willfully ignorant because you think it will muddy the history.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:04 pm**

em2nought wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:37 pm So, explain to me again how democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow and slavery?

Hooked two.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:07 am**

So explain to me again how Republicans went from abolishing slavery to condoning neo-nazis carrying torches. How did they go from conserving natural resources to denying climate change? How did they go from winning the cold war to shilling for Putin?

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am**

We're not the ones running around in blackface and calling for infants to be aborted "after" birth. That's your team.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:21 am**

em2nought wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am That's your team.

There it is. Such a laid-bare example of your entire perspective on politics. Go Bears!

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:29 am**

Alefroth wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:04 pm
em2nought wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:37 pm So, explain to me again how democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow and slavery?
Hooked two.

3 technically.

em2nought wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am We're not the ones running around in blackface and calling for infants to be aborted "after" birth. That's your team.

On the first, you just shoot anyone who isn’t your color. On the second, we only want to do that to potential Trump supporters. But even you can agree that’s for the best.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:25 am**

Enough wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:21 am
em2nought wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am That's your team.
There it is. Such a laid-bare example of your entire perspective on politics. Go Bears!

It's a human failing and our default state. It's why the two party system, despite it being clearly broken, has such staying power.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:36 am**

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:25 am
Enough wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:21 am
em2nought wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am That's your team.
There it is. Such a laid-bare example of your entire perspective on politics. Go Bears!
It's a human failing and our default state. It's why the two party system, despite it being clearly broken, has such staying power.

Well, the two-party system is not so much due to team spirit (which exists in every country) and more that we have first past the post / plurality wins electoral rules, which make a third party run virtually impossible, and make the most likely outcome of any such run a win for the major party most opposed to the third party.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:54 am**

em2, your side has the guys in white robes, the torch-carrying Nazis and the domestic terrorists. And the Russian shills.

Perspective is a bitch.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:42 am**

El Guapo wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:36 am
LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:25 am
Enough wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:21 am
em2nought wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am That's your team.
There it is. Such a laid-bare example of your entire perspective on politics. Go Bears!
It's a human failing and our default state. It's why the two party system, despite it being clearly broken, has such staying power.
Well, the two-party system is not so much due to team spirit (which exists in every country) and more that we have first past the post / plurality wins electoral rules, which make a third party run virtually impossible, and make the most likely outcome of any such run a win for the major party most opposed to the third party.

Yeah, the national electoral system broken as well but the two-party dynamic exists at all levels. You have rural races for county spots divided by party. I'm talking denominators in the hundreds or less. You're either blue, red, or non-voting.

It really took hold here and once it's in place it's almost impossible to get rid of. Much of that is due to how we fund campaigns as well.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:57 am**

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:42 am
El Guapo wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:36 am
LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:25 am
Enough wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:21 am
em2nought wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am That's your team.
There it is. Such a laid-bare example of your entire perspective on politics. Go Bears!
It's a human failing and our default state. It's why the two party system, despite it being clearly broken, has such staying power.
Well, the two-party system is not so much due to team spirit (which exists in every country) and more that we have first past the post / plurality wins electoral rules, which make a third party run virtually impossible, and make the most likely outcome of any such run a win for the major party most opposed to the third party.
Yeah, the national electoral system broken as well but the two-party dynamic exists at all levels. You have rural races for county spots divided by party. I'm talking denominators in the hundreds or less. You're either blue, red, or non-voting.

It really took hold here and once it's in place it's almost impossible to get rid of. Much of that is due to how we fund campaigns as well.

State and local election systems almost all use first past the post / plurality voting systems as well.

You're never going to eliminate partisanship, but it's possible to change voting rules so that third parties can succeed.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:30 pm**

We interrupt part 4,356 of OO's ongoing debate about broken elections in the US to bring you more news on Virginia's Governor/Lt. Governor drama.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1092750088793964545

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:07 pm**

hepcat wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:29 am
3 technically.

He's good man, he's good

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:15 pm**

pr0ner wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:30 pm We interrupt part 4,356 of OO's ongoing debate about broken elections in the US to bring you more news on Virginia's Governor/Lt. Governor drama.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1092750088793964545

Are they heavy hitters in this field? Is that why it's news?

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:21 pm**

No idea how heavy they are, but they're big enough to claim to be national.

Lawyer Website wrote:The lawyers of Katz, Marshall & Banks are nationally recognized leaders in the areas of whistleblower law, employment law, sexual harassment law, Title IX discrimination, and civil rights and civil liberties matters. They provide expert advice and representation on a wide range of whistleblower matters, including whistleblower retaliation cases and reward programs before the Securities and Exchange Commission and other federal programs. They are dogged advocates for their clients and are highly regarded by their adversaries for their tenacious representation of their clients. The firm is based in Washington, D.C., with an office in Philadelphia, and they handle cases nationwide.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:34 pm**

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:15 pm Are they heavy hitters in this field? Is that why it's news?

Presumably it means she's pursuing the charges as opposed to simply making the accusation public.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:46 pm**

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:15 pm
pr0ner wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:30 pm We interrupt part 4,356 of OO's ongoing debate about broken elections in the US to bring you more news on Virginia's Governor/Lt. Governor drama.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1092750088793964545
Are they heavy hitters in this field? Is that why it's news?

They're notable for being the firm who represented Dr. Ford in the Kavanaugh kerfuffle, so yeah, you could say they're heavy hitters (at least for the time being).

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:50 pm**

Thankfully, it isn't that scumbag Avenatti.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:05 pm**

Pyperkub wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:50 pm Thankfully, it isn't that scumbag Avenatti.

I think Avenatti has pretty irreparably damaged his brand, so that hiring him would probably be seen as an indicator of nonmeritorious claims.

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