That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
Optics ftwpr0ner wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:46 pm
They're notable for being the firm who represented Dr. Ford in the Kavanaugh kerfuffle, so yeah, you could say they're heavy hitters (at least for the time being).
I mean, after that you must be getting pretty close, right?pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:50 pm The Speaker of the House would become Governor in that case. That is currently Republican M. Kirkland Cox.
Pr0ner, just remember to delete all the pictures of you in blackface before they get to your turn in line.
I know that's never happened but there are pictures of me as a kid dressed like a ghost. That's not gonna work out well for me.El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:05 pmPr0ner, just remember to delete all the pictures of you in blackface before they get to your turn in line.
Well, after all of the pictures of those ahead of you come out, that won't look so bad.pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:13 pmI know that's never happened but there are pictures of me as a kid dressed like a ghost. That's not gonna work out well for me.El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:05 pmPr0ner, just remember to delete all the pictures of you in blackface before they get to your turn in line.
Y'all must have had some fun back before you went centristYellowKing wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:54 pm
The irony is that my brother is about as anti-Trump and liberal as you can possibly get. He's a vegan theater hippie who studies African-American history.
I imagine that they also had quite a few fights about how YellowKing got to inherit the YellowMonarchy, while his brother's still stuck being YellowPrince.geezer wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:21 pmY'all must have had some fun back before you went centristYellowKing wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:54 pm
The irony is that my brother is about as anti-Trump and liberal as you can possibly get. He's a vegan theater hippie who studies African-American history.
I kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
Democrats also probably feel like they need to eat their own for 2020 optics vs Trump.stessier wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:36 pmI kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
This stuff is 100% something requiring a deep apology for, especially in the 1980s (not like blackface was super socially acceptable then either). I'm more on the fence on whether this is something that people should be resigning over, though.pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:38 pmDemocrats also probably feel like they need to eat their own for 2020 optics vs Trump.stessier wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:36 pmI kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
I'm not African American but if I were I'd probably be less "youthful indiscretion" and more "So you're telling me that there's no qualified people in my state that haven't paraded around in blackface that can represent me?" Just saying.stessier wrote:I kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
I mean, among people who grew up largely in the 1960s - 1980s in Virginia? Probably a lot fewer than one would hope.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:42 pmI'm not African American but if I were I'd probably be less "youthful indiscretion" and more "So you're telling me that there's no qualified people in my state that haven't paraded around in blackface that can represent me?" Just saying.stessier wrote:I kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
How dare you have a reasoned opinion about this!El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:41 pmThis stuff is 100% something requiring a deep apology for, especially in the 1980s (not like blackface was super socially acceptable then either). I'm more on the fence on whether this is something that people should be resigning over, though.pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:38 pmDemocrats also probably feel like they need to eat their own for 2020 optics vs Trump.stessier wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:36 pmI kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
The blackface population probably trends a bit higher, but for me personally I'm not sure if I would be willing to settle for the best we can hope for. Nothing is stopping the governor from taking his apology tour on the road as a private citizen.El Guapo wrote:I mean, among people who grew up largely in the 1960s - 1980s in Virginia? Probably a lot fewer than one would hope.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:42 pmI'm not African American but if I were I'd probably be less "youthful indiscretion" and more "So you're telling me that there's no qualified people in my state that haven't paraded around in blackface that can represent me?" Just saying.stessier wrote:I kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
Wow, it's like a decapitation alpha strike against the Dem. leadership. Well played.pr0ner wrote:The Speaker of the House would become Governor in that case. That is currently Republican M. Kirkland Cox.
Yeah, Northam really screwed this up badly. I'm guessing he was the one in the Klan outfit, at this point.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:53 pmThe blackface population probably trends a bit higher, but for me personally I'm not sure if I would be willing to settle for the best we can hope for. Nothing is stopping the governor from taking his apology tour on the road as a private citizen.El Guapo wrote:I mean, among people who grew up largely in the 1960s - 1980s in Virginia? Probably a lot fewer than one would hope.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:42 pmI'm not African American but if I were I'd probably be less "youthful indiscretion" and more "So you're telling me that there's no qualified people in my state that haven't paraded around in blackface that can represent me?" Just saying.stessier wrote:I kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
I would be curious about what African Americans in VA think. Do they feel like it's just another thing they need to forgive? I would be sympathetic if they expect better. Besides, the gov sort of blew it with his apology/ non-apology.
Yeah, there is a 0% chance of that happening. If Democrats felt the need to replace all three of them, and somehow had the leverage to force them all to resign, I imagine that they wouldn't resign all at once, but rather would have the Governor / Lt. Governor resign, then appoint a replacement (hopefully with no blackface pictures) and then elevate the replacement to the governorship.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:01 pmWow, it's like a decapitation alpha strike against the Dem. leadership. Well played.pr0ner wrote:The Speaker of the House would become Governor in that case. That is currently Republican M. Kirkland Cox.
That's fair.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:42 pmI'm not African American but if I were I'd probably be less "youthful indiscretion" and more "So you're telling me that there's no qualified people in my state that haven't paraded around in blackface that can represent me?" Just saying.stessier wrote:I kind of agree, but would add their record while in office should be factored in. I think people aren't fully formed adults when they become teenagers and really can change. I can understand added scrutiny of their actions based on the revelations, but if they really have left that behind, I can't see getting rid of them across the board.gilraen wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 pm Democrats have to learn to stop eating their own. It's beyond fucking ridiculous that someone's racially-insensitive yearbook picture - from the times that some Jim Crow laws were still on the books, despite what most people believe - can potentially wipe out the top of the state legislature.
On the other hand, politics....
I don't know if you can do that. Herring becomes governor if Northam and Fairfax both resign.El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:06 pmYeah, there is a 0% chance of that happening. If Democrats felt the need to replace all three of them, and somehow had the leverage to force them all to resign, I imagine that they wouldn't resign all at once, but rather would have the Governor / Lt. Governor resign, then appoint a replacement (hopefully with no blackface pictures) and then elevate the replacement to the governorship.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:01 pmWow, it's like a decapitation alpha strike against the Dem. leadership. Well played.pr0ner wrote:The Speaker of the House would become Governor in that case. That is currently Republican M. Kirkland Cox.
If they both resign at the same time, right? What's the replacement process if just one resigns?pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:22 pmI don't know if you can do that. Herring becomes governor if Northam and Fairfax both resign.El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:06 pmYeah, there is a 0% chance of that happening. If Democrats felt the need to replace all three of them, and somehow had the leverage to force them all to resign, I imagine that they wouldn't resign all at once, but rather would have the Governor / Lt. Governor resign, then appoint a replacement (hopefully with no blackface pictures) and then elevate the replacement to the governorship.$iljanus wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:01 pmWow, it's like a decapitation alpha strike against the Dem. leadership. Well played.pr0ner wrote:The Speaker of the House would become Governor in that case. That is currently Republican M. Kirkland Cox.
You may remember that the 2017 state elections in Virginia were the front edge of the blue wave that eventually washed over the House of Representatives. Democrats overperformed in the state, taking even seats that were considered to be fairly safe for Republicans. At the end of the night on Election Day, it wasn’t clear which party would control the chamber.
Ultimately, it came down to one seat, Virginia’s 94th District, where Democrat Shelly Simonds emerged from a recount with a one-vote margin over the incumbent Del. David E. Yancey (R). It was so close that state Republicans at one point congratulated Simonds on her victory.
But it didn’t last. A panel of judges determined that a vote that had been discarded should be given to Yancey, resulting in a tie. How to resolve the tie? By drawing names from a ceramic bowl. Both names were placed in the bowl, Yancey’s was picked, and Republicans retained control of the chamber.
And Cox got to be speaker.
And now Cox is fourth in line to the governorship.
If something were to cast a pall over Cox’s fitness for the office — which, given the past several days, would surprise no one — there is no fifth in line. The House of Delegates would vote on a replacement, and, given the composition of that body, it would probably be a Republican.
There is a sense of everything being slightly unreal; that you fight a war that seems to cost you nothing and it has no consequences at home; that money seems to grow on trees; that goods come from China and don’t seem to cost you anything; that phones make you feel liberated but that maybe they’re manipulating you but you’re not quite sure. It’s all slightly odd and slightly corrupt.
So I was trying to make a film about where that feeling came from, and I went way back into the past to do that. I borrowed the title from Mr Alexei Yurchak and called it “HyperNormalisation”. I wasn’t trying to say “Oh, we’re just like the Soviet Union collapsing”. I was just trying to show the same feeling of unreality, and also that those in charge know that we know that they don’t know what’s going on. That same feeling is pervasive in our society, and that’s what the film is about.
While it's not a nice thing to say, it's an appropriate thing to say if you think someone is trying to destroy your career. Just not for a politician.pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:24 pm Also, this came out today:
https://www.twitter.com/jonallendc/stat ... 2196427777
Lolwut?Paingod wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:10 pmWhile it's not a nice thing to say, it's an appropriate thing to say if you think someone is trying to destroy your career. Just not for a politician.pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:24 pm Also, this came out today:
https://www.twitter.com/jonallendc/stat ... 2196427777
I think what he's saying is that IF Fairfax is innocent, then "fuck that bitch" is something of an understandable reaction, in a universe where his accuser is fabricating claims against him. Though even in that scenario, it's not a particularly wise one for a politician.pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:41 pmLolwut?Paingod wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:10 pmWhile it's not a nice thing to say, it's an appropriate thing to say if you think someone is trying to destroy your career. Just not for a politician.pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:24 pm Also, this came out today:
https://www.twitter.com/jonallendc/stat ... 2196427777
I went to college in Atlanta '87-'91, and I vaguely recall one instance of blackface controversy at a frat costume party. (I read about it in the school paper.)hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:05 pm Good Lord, I went to college in the 80s and even I don't recall ever once thinking that putting on black face for a costume party was the right thing to do. Nor do I recall any friends doing it. This has to be a southern thing primarily.
I know I voted for Paingod and El Guapo to speak for OO. Who did you vote for?pr0ner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:44 pm I guess we're at the point where saying "fuck that bitch" is appropriate here on OO.