The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:31 pm

"A government of laws and not of men"- John Adams

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:55 pm

Zarathud wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:19 pm No one is above the law. Rudy forgot that along the way.

I'll believe it if Trump takes a real hit.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:42 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:55 pm
Zarathud wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:19 pm No one is above the law. Rudy forgot that along the way.
I'll believe it if Trump takes a real hit.

Yeah, I'm waiting to see if they can touch the one who gave Rudy his marching orders. Without knowing exactly what he's being investigated for, it's hard to say whether trump is directly culpable...yet hard to imagine that he isn't.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:56 pm

Zarathud wrote:No one should be above the law.

FTFY

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:10 am

One of Rudy's neighbors holding a press conference:

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:28 am

God damn. I dream of witnesses like this. I guess that's the depth of cooperation you get from people if you're investigating someone who tried to help Russia dominate your country.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:13 am

Kraken wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:42 pm
malchior wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:55 pm
Zarathud wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:19 pm No one is above the law. Rudy forgot that along the way.
I'll believe it if Trump takes a real hit.
Yeah, I'm waiting to see if they can touch the one who gave Rudy his marching orders. Without knowing exactly what he's being investigated for, it's hard to say whether trump is directly culpable...yet hard to imagine that he isn't.

If Trump gets hit, it will be due to his own money crimes.

The Paul Manaforts and Roger Stones who were playing with Moscow are old hands at the game. They probably took pains to insulate Trump, and they no doubt went back and scrubbed everything they could when they realized that a stone-cold idiot like DonJr. was in the loop.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:32 am

Holman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:13 am
Kraken wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:42 pm
malchior wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:55 pm
Zarathud wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:19 pm No one is above the law. Rudy forgot that along the way.
I'll believe it if Trump takes a real hit.
Yeah, I'm waiting to see if they can touch the one who gave Rudy his marching orders. Without knowing exactly what he's being investigated for, it's hard to say whether trump is directly culpable...yet hard to imagine that he isn't.
If Trump gets hit, it will be due to his own money crimes.

The Paul Manaforts and Roger Stones who were playing with Moscow are old hands at the game. They probably took pains to insulate Trump, and they no doubt went back and scrubbed everything they could when they realized that a stone-cold idiot like DonJr. was in the loop.

I mean, let's not forget that Paul Manafort is the guy who e-mailed someone about how to falsify documents. So I'm sure that he did take pains to insulate Trump, but...

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:31 pm

Should I be amazed that Trump is already on the TV talking about it?

“Rudy Giuliani is a great patriot. He just loves this country, and they raid his apartment,” Trump told Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo on “Mornings with Maria” early Thursday.

“It’s like so unfair and…it’s like a double standard like I don’t think anybody’s ever seen before,” he continued. “It’s very, very unfair. Rudy is a patriot who loves this country.”

“I don’t know what they’re looking for or what they’re doing,” Trump said. “They say it had to do with filings of various papers and lobbying files. Well, did Hunter [Biden] file? Did [President] Biden file? Because they did a lot of work with other countries. To the best of everyone’s knowledge, they didn’t file.”

“It’s a very, very unfair situation,” he said. “It is so terrible when you see the things going on in our country with the corruption and the problems and then they go after Rudy Giuliani. It’s very said, actually.”

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:46 pm

“It’s like so unfair and…it’s like a double standard like I don’t think anybody’s ever seen before,”

What does is that even supposed to mean? He has the direct and indirect objects never identified from his thoughts that are somewhere out in the space of his dementia.

“I don’t know what they’re looking for or what they’re doing,”

I will then follow this statement by telling you I know I exactly what they are looking for and what they are doing (whether i do know or not, meh) and then complain that about it not being done to Biden and then throw in conjecture. I will then close with my signature blaming others actions as doing exactly the sorts of things I do.

I was so happy to not hear from that piece of shit for months but I'm in Post Traumatic Distress. It literally takes less than 10 sentences from him to set me off.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:51 pm

Just seeing his face makes me want to smash my tv. I seriously will never understand his cult of followers. I pray that they don't get a second rising as then I'll probably just totally lose my mind.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:52 pm

LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:46 pmPost Trumpatic Distress

FTFY. I also suffer from this.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 pm

Zaxxon wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:52 pm
LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:46 pmPost Trumpatic Distress
FTFY. I also suffer from this.

Nice. And I'm totally not joking. If the goal is to point at me as a snowflake, his cult of personality has succeeded. I've been mostly fine for months now after years of nearly daily increased stress. Two things will raise my blood pressure and make upset in ways I don't understand myself. Bringing up 1/6. The 45th president of the US saying.... anything, I guess. He could try to test my assumption by saying something a reasonable human would say. But I honestly don't think he's capable.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:03 pm

So I was watching old boxing videos from the 80s and 90s, and I would swear that Trump is often heard in the background as a commentator. Was he into the boxing scene at some point? His name is certainly visible in a lot of those fights, presumably because they're taking place in his hotels.

Anyway, it was a good test of my own TDS. Trump was the first President that I simply could not STAND to listen to. I would have to kill NPR when he came on. I still get a slight tick when I hear what I'm almost certain is his voice on those old videos.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:04 pm

I stopped listening to NPR because of him.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:24 pm

I investigated Trump on IMDB, and yeah, he's got some boxing (also wrestling) stuff listed under "Self"

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0874339/

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:19 pm

Defiant wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:10 am One of Rudy's neighbors holding a press conference:

WTH. Phyllis Diller is still alive?!

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:33 pm

Florida Man set to use Adviser Defense.

This reminds me of the time I had to appear in small claims court (no lawyers allowed) to represent an HOA that was being sued. When I told the judge the HOA was acting on advice of legal counsel, he laughed at me.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 pm

All he has to do is stall until 2024. Win again and then ruin the world to save his own ass. Sadly I'm sure that is exactly his plan.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm

Octavious wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 pm All he has to do is stall until 2024. Win again and then ruin the world to save his own ass. Sadly I'm sure that is exactly his plan.

"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" --Biden in 2024, almost certainly

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:35 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm
Octavious wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 pm All he has to do is stall until 2024. Win again and then ruin the world to save his own ass. Sadly I'm sure that is exactly his plan.
"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" --Biden in 2024, almost certainly

All they have to do is scream socialism and it doesn't matter how well we're doing. Kill 500,000 people, storm the f'n capital, hold a press conference in front of a LANDSCAPING company and yet he's the best ever.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:41 pm

The power of incumbency is very, VERY strong. If Biden has an even half-way successful term, he'll be all but a shoe-in for re-election.

If Biden doesn't run, things get much more interesting.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:45 pm

Little Raven wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:41 pm The power of incumbency is very, VERY strong. If Biden has an even half-way successful term, he'll be all but a shoe-in for re-election.

If Biden doesn't run, things get much more interesting.

Biden will run almost certainly and he won't be a shoe-in.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:52 pm

I think it may be close (all elections are these days), but I'd still bet on Biden beating Trump in 2024. He's got the incumbency on his side, will have a higher approval rating than Trump ever dreamed of, and won't have to convince pissed off progressives to vote. He'll be a known rather than an unknown, and he'll almost assuredly sway independents who were on the fence on 2020.

Trump will have the stench of a political loser around him, and a lot of people, after four years of peace, will realize they don't want that drama in their life anymore.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:00 pm

I like you're version a lot better than what I think. I tend to sway more negative if nobody noticed.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:02 pm

The full on socialist move would be for Biden to run in 2024, beat Florida Man, then resign for "health" reasons. Then appoint AOC as VP for a Harris life insurance policy.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:10 pm

YellowKing wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:52 pm I think it may be close (all elections are these days), but I'd still bet on Biden beating Trump in 2024. He's got the incumbency on his side, will have a higher approval rating than Trump ever dreamed of, and won't have to convince pissed off progressives to vote. He'll be a known rather than an unknown, and he'll almost assuredly sway independents who were on the fence on 2020.

Trump will have the stench of a political loser around him, and a lot of people, after four years of peace, will realize they don't want that drama in their life anymore.

I endorse this message. Remember that the last time he ran, trump lost the presidency AND the Senate...and that was before 1/6, and whatever investigations (on topic!) are still going to taint him going forward. Florida Man's fan base is shrinking, not growing.

This presupposes a reasonably successful Biden presidency and a fair election. The GOP still has the better part of four years to work against both of those things.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:36 pm

Jaymann wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:02 pm The full on socialist move would be for Biden to run in 2024, beat Florida Man, then resign for "health" reasons. Then appoint AOC as VP for a Harris life insurance policy.

AFAIK, AOC will still be too young, but it would definitely be a pwn teh cons move.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:45 pm

Pyperkub wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:02 pm The full on socialist move would be for Biden to run in 2024, beat Florida Man, then resign for "health" reasons. Then appoint AOC as VP for a Harris life insurance policy.
AFAIK, AOC will still be too young, but it would definitely be a pwn teh cons move.

She'll be 35 in October 2024 so good to go!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:03 pm

Jaymann wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:02 pm The full on socialist move would be for Biden to run in 2024, beat Florida Man, then resign for "health" reasons. Then appoint AOC as VP for a Harris life insurance policy.

At 81 or 82, he won't need quotes around "health".

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:34 pm

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:33 pm

Good lord. Ron Johnson is one of the dumbest Senators ever. This was mixed in with the Rudy nonsense so dumped it here.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:19 pm

4. Ron Johnson in his own—self-incriminating—words:

“I suspected that the briefing was being given to be used at some future date for the purpose that it is now being used: to offer the biased media an opportunity to falsely accuse me of being a tool of Russia despite warnings.”

Yeah, I don't believe this for a second. This is a justification for knowingly participating in the same kind of foreign disinformation op that got Trump elected the first time.

Johnson is on the Committees for Homeland Security and Foreign Affairs. He is plenty well informed on these things.

milo · Post by **milo** » Sat May 01, 2021 12:19 am

You don’t believe what, exactly? That Johnson said those words?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat May 01, 2021 8:50 am

milo wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:19 am You don’t believe what, exactly? That Johnson said those words?

I don't believe he really thought the FBI warning was empty. I believe he was happy to tacitly collude with Russian efforts to get Trump elected.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 am

It appears that Steele was still working to provide raw intelligence to FBI even while Trump was in office.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed May 19, 2021 1:04 pm

News reports today that the NYAG's investigation of the Trump Organization (and Trump) is now explicitly a criminal investigation.

I think this is right - government officials need to better spread public awareness about there being a real chance of a Trump indictment. It's not how prosecutors are supposed to work in some ways, but the more that any charges seem like a bolt out of the blue, the easier it's going to be for Trump to shape the narrative.

It's also why time matters. Any indictment needs to happen before the next presidential primaries start in earnest. God help us if there's an indictment of Trump at a point after he starts campaigning (assuming he runs again).

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed May 19, 2021 1:05 pm

Oh lordy, I hope there are tapes.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed May 19, 2021 1:14 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 1:05 pm Oh lordy, I hope there are tapes.

Be careful what you wish for.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed May 19, 2021 1:18 pm

I'm pretty sure nothing short of Bob Woodward-level tapes for Trump and the 1/6 investigation are going to be needed in order to move the needle on either. Actual phone recordings of Trump (and others) doing crimes or admitting to knowing they were doing crimes.

(though your link is funny)